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Anyone feel good about this? What does this mean for us?

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posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by sos37
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
 


What I'm saying is - you think things are bad financially now, wait until Obama's tax plan passes Congress. The economic hardship of 2008 will look like the glory days by comparison.


sos37

What you are hearing is the mantra that will be played in response to Obama's upcoming failures: "He's cleaning up after Bush's messes!"

Forget the fact that the Dem's have played the major role in creating this financial mess we are in. The $700 billion bailout was their idea, they pushed it through, after they had created the Fannie Mae mess in the first place.

This election was the product of the liberal effect on our public education system for the past 30 years.




posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 12:39 PM
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I didn't vote for Obama and I don't agree with him on a lot of issues. But, we don't have any other choice but to give him a chance and see what he does.

I am willing to give him a chance, with the hope that he doesn't screw anything up too badly. My big worry is Congress and what they will try to push through with a Democrat in the White House.

[edit on 11/5/2008 by skeptic1]



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by sos37
 



Originally posted by sos37
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
 


What I'm saying is - you think things are bad financially now, wait until Obama's tax plan passes Congress. The economic hardship of 2008 will look like the glory days by comparison.


sos37

What you are hearing is the mantra that will be played in response to Obama's upcoming failures: "He's cleaning up after Bush's messes!"

Forget the fact that the Dem's have played the major role in creating this financial mess we are in. The $700 billion bailout was their idea, they pushed it through, after they had created the Fannie Mae mess in the first place.

This election was the product of the liberal effect on our public education system for the past 30 years.


when they can manipulate us like that, and control our vote, it is no longer democracy. look foward to loosing what is american in your life.

it's like that metallica song

Independence Limited
Freedom of Choice
Choice Is Made for You My Friend
Freedom of Speech
Speech Is Words That They Will Bend
Freedom no longer frees you

Doesn't Matter What You See
Or into it What You Read
You Can Do it Your Own Way
If It's Done Just How I Say



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:27 PM
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What I feel good about is what this election means to African Americans. It's an historic accomplishment for every genuine opponent of racism. Slavery built this rich nation and without it where would we be? It took a bloody nasty civil war to abolish slavery and to set them free. Still, here came the Klu Klux Klan who killed thousands of innocent African freed slaves while hiding behind white hoods to do it. Then segregation for 80 years or so with more hate and racism. A Civil Rights movement came along with spilled blood that paved a way to voting privileges, education and jobs for African Americans and a black middle class is born. And now the first Black President is elected to the United States Of America. WOW!!
Now that's something to be proud of for all who suffered, died and fought for this to happen.

What I don't feel good about is what he plans to do in the White House with his spread the wealth policies and higher taxes. I'm giving the man a chance because I'm an American who believes in chances. When things start going bad and he messes this up then I'm ready to fight for this country and do what ever it takes to fix it. For now I'm watching and going on with my life, work and family as is.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:41 PM
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Where does anyone get that slavery built this nation?

That is to say that the cotton plantations built this nation.

Quit repeating nonsense and start thinking.

And, for the umpteenth time.....The US is not supposed to be a democracy.
We are supposed to be a Constituional Republic built on the phiosophy of individualism.

Democracy is mob rule.
Democracy is collectivism = Borg.
You will be assimilated.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by OhZone
Where does anyone get that slavery built this nation?

That is to say that the cotton plantations built this nation.

Quit repeating nonsense and start thinking.


Surely you can't mean that.


Try reading this

And have you not yet learned that most profitable crops grown in the Americas in the 17 and 1800's, were based upon slave labor?

www.mersey-gateway.org...



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by jam321
My fellow Americans have spoken for good or bad. Only time will tell which one. In the meantime, I will cut President-Elect Obama some slack and see if he lives up to the promises he made. He has no excuse especially with a Democrat led Congress.


I wish more people felt this way. We need to all put our beliefs aside for a moment and try and have some faith in this next president. I know its difficult, because our president we have currently completely dishonored us, he didnt listen to his people, and hes done his own thing for 8 years now. But we have to have faith thats going to get better from here on. Without that faith and that trust in obama he wont be allowed to be that president he wants to be for us.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 02:16 PM
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America was not built on crops raised by the Southerners.
When plantation owners got to making too much money the North penalized them. That is where the civil war came in.

Those penalties were still in place in the 1950's.

If it was the South that built this country why has it been so poor since the 1860's. It is still poor. That is why the blacks in the South were so poor.

As to any feel good about the Obama presidency.
Doesn't really matter.
One puppet is the same as another.
There will be more of the same old same old.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 02:27 PM
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Nancy Pelosi just became president of the US. Reserve your plane tickets to Canada now while you still have money.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 02:51 PM
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Well, if this might give the OP something positive to consider, I will say that in my opinion, Michelle will be the best looking First Lady in my lifetime. Yes, that includes Jackie O, who was considered beautiful in many press and TV news releases of the time, but who I thought looked like an inbred ninny.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
Just curious...it looks like you are from London, if we can believe what we see.

How would our election affect you?


We do have cities named 'London' in America. Just thought I would share that.

As for the OP. Well my friend, although I did not vote for the man, we must give him a chance. Plain and simple. I believe that you are still listening to the GOP propoganda about him taxing the hell out of you if you make too much money. The stupid thing is that he's not talking about taking everything you make above and beyond a certain amount. Just a PERCENTAGE of it. We can bitch and moan about it all we want but in the end it comes down to pennies on the dollar.

Now, is it right to single out a certain group by how much they make? Well, I don't think so but I can't argue with it yet. I haven't seen in enacted. I haven't seen how it truly affects these people.

What really scares me is if the dems now push through the minimum wage increase. They are talking figures of over $12 an hour. That is what should scare you. Not whether you make too much and get taxed because of it.

If they pass that into law you are going to see many small businesses disappear forever. I mean MANY. Like MOST. And if that happens, well, this little recession we are experiencing will be childs play compared to what will come to pass.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by OhZone
America was not built on crops raised by the Southerners.
When plantation owners got to making too much money the North penalized them. That is where the civil war came in.

Those penalties were still in place in the 1950's.

If it was the South that built this country why has it been so poor since the 1860's. It is still poor. That is why the blacks in the South were so poor.

As to any feel good about the Obama presidency.
Doesn't really matter.
One puppet is the same as another.
There will be more of the same old same old.


Well, actually didn't people get pretty rich that way before that time? Especially the tobacco farmers?

The Dutch East India Company was bringing over slaves from their island colonies back in, I think, the early 1600's, well before the civil war. And of course as you know, Thomas Jefferson, one of the USA's founding fathers, owned slaves.

I have hopes that Obama will be good for the US, but I will wait and see. Time will tell.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 03:36 PM
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how would our election affect you?? lol seriously? coz ur country goes round the world starting wars and dragging us along thats how!!!!



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:15 PM
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It was the industrialization of the north that replaced the plantations of the south and superseded the corporations that have made slaves of all of us.... Does anybody feel good about this?.... Hell yes, I feel very good and after the last 8 years of having the constitutional rights that belong to all citizens of this country being trampled, I see this change in leadership a very meaningful symbol of change for the better.... We as individual consumers will have to change our spending habits, saving habits, and use of credit habits, or lose it all. We have been living beyond our means to damned long, and those of you that haven't come to terms with that and want to shoot the messenger are out of touch with reality. You want to point your fingers at the ones that are in need, ignoring the fact that you are on the brink of being the same way. At the same time you ignore the fact that the safeguards that were in place to prevent the lending practices that has crippled us financially were done away with by a conservative initiated bill..... It was nice to wake up today.... May the change be positive for all of us, but realize this is just the beginning, and good things come to those wait.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:21 PM
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Well I could be wrong..But what does this mean for us...
I think many have already been telling us..we just are not paying attention.
This was on Fox News last night..Did you see the red flag? ô¿ô
www.youtube.com...



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:33 PM
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My guess is that it must have been brought in by a Red State McCain-Palin supporter to exploit the right wing paranoia. Tell me, didn't it work?



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 05:04 PM
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Why is it you cannot accept the decision your fellow citizens made. This is a democracy, after all. America. Love it, or leave it, as the saying goes. Or hide the next 4 - 8 years in some cave while antichrist socialist muslim Barack Hussein Obama establishes the USSA.


Buh!



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 05:08 PM
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Get serious. A few thousand rich cotton farmers were not the ruling elite.

The industrial revolution is what gave this country the rocket to superiority.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
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Get serious. A few thousand rich cotton farmers were not the ruling elite.

The industrial revolution is what gave this country the rocket to superiority.


Well, as I mentioned before, slavery was going on in the US long before tobacco, cotton, sugar cane plantations, etc., began in the south.

So, yes, while industrialization is what caused the US to become very successful, it was still built on a foundation of slavery, from the Dutch East India Company who started bringing slave labor to this country, our founding fathers being slave owners (with the exception of John Adams and Alexander Hamilton), on up to slavery in the south. And, the slave trade was driven by a desire to make lots of money.

By the way, weren't the founding fathers of the US members of the wealthy elite?



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 05:55 PM
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In a word, "No" this is not good for us. That being said we will survive, persevere and triumph as America always does. He is president, not king and he doesn't make or pass laws, Congress does. They do not have a filibuster proof majority and the leftists will be smacked down by the Republicans and the blue-dog Democrats alike. Not much to worry about internally - from a legislative perspective.

Now, foreign policy, that's awhole different ball of wax. Internationally, we are screwed!



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