Anyone feel good about this? What does this mean for us?

As a McCain supporter, I will follow his lead and offer my support to Obama, but, and this is a big but, the first time he steps on my rights, I will speak out against him. He has earned the respect of our soon to be president, but that doesn't come unconditionally.

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I'm terrified about this.

It only took Clinton 2 years to outlaw my guns and that was with a Congress that could balance his idiocy. Obamas Congress will be all lefty lunatics. One governing body with one mind. A sort of overlord to force its totalitarian will.

I dont have enough money or time to gather up all I need before I am suddenly made a criminal for arbitrary reasons.

Originally posted by jam321
I will cut President-Elect Obama some slack and see if he lives up to the promises he made.

My respect for you continues to increase.

Originally posted by sos37
Mark my words - the Obama presidency is the beginning of financial hardship the likes of which this country has never seen before.

That has already begun. Obama will not usher in the financial hardship to come. If you have been paying attention, you've seen it coming since before Obama even announced his intentions to run for President. If you haven't seen it coming (and here NOW) you haven't been paying enough attention.

Originally posted by lynn112
the first time he steps on my rights, I will speak out against him.

I will stand beside you and speak out with you.

I'm sorry so many are "afraid", but the only way to go forward is to go forward. I implore you to NOT let fear rule your decisions, emotions and partisan loyalties. Let go of the fear mindset that has been drilled into our brains for years.

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What I'm saying is - you think things are bad financially now, wait until Obama's tax plan passes Congress. The economic hardship of 2008 will look like the glory days by comparison.

Originally posted by Haiku
reply to post by lordtyp0

 

Has the 'new American dream' become 'if I can't have it, nobody can'?

Excellent quote. That's really what the democrat mantra is.
The folks who don't know what socialism/marxism are, will soon be experts.

Does anyone believe that $250,000 will be the lower limit? I don't. His vp said it will be $150,000. You can be sure that will be lowered within a year.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Obamas Congress will all be lefty lunatics.

not will be, they are! someone said oh they wont pass EVERYTHING that they see, but i counter with - it only takes one carefully worded "bill" to lose more than you can afford. (patriot act, anyone?)

(EVIL) PEOPLE WHO HAVE LOTS OF MONEY TEND TO USE OVERSEAS BANK ACCOUNTS, WHICH MEANS THEY AVOID TAXES TO BEGIN WITH, ERGO THEY WILL LOSE NOTHING.

I can see MANY (possibly tens of millions of people) losing their jobs over the next four years because of economic policies that destroy the liquid capitol businesses need to stay afloat.

In a scary dystopian way, i can IMAGINE that one day EVERYONE will work at WALMART.

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This administration offerrs me the validation and affirmation that as a people we have chosen collective desires over the politics of fear.


Anyone who says "This scares me to death" is still motivated by fear instead of their desires.


I am happier now than I have ever been at any time in our life because the American people have spoken loud and clear "MANDATE" and I love the sound of that voice!

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"Collective desires" = mob rule.

Yes, I fear mob rule. Sue me.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

I'm sorry so many are "afraid", but the only way to go forward is to go forward. I implore you to NOT let fear rule your decisions, emotions and partisan loyalties. Let go of the fear mindset that has been drilled into our brains for years.

Yes fear is part of what fuels my unease about our next president. Fear of him infringing upon my rights to own a gun, infringing upon my freedom to succeed or fail on my own merit without the government telling me "I have more than my fair share" and fear that my family will struggle under his sweeping changes.

I have spent my entire life living in a Dem controlled state & have experienced first hand their idea of helping the poor. I know because every penny of my property taxes pays for our Medicad program, the same program overwhelmed with fraud and corruption. I know from watching the woman checking out at the grocery store using her benefit card while wearing designer clothing and driving a shiny new car. Yes, I know, I should be the good American and help those less fortunate. I should continue to pay my own way as well as helping the likes of that woman. Why should she not be allowed to use my money to buy her very own middle class life style without one day of working for it?

Seriously, if you want to see these social service type reforms in action, take a look at NY, the welfare state. (lovely nickname for our state, goes right along with Niagara Falls,NY – the Cataract City) See for yourself the abuse of the system, the money flowing out of our pockets like water & think to yourself, do you really want our country to be like this?


So yes, I’m afraid.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
reply to post by Haiku

 

This administration offerrs me the validation and affirmation that as a people we have chosen collective desires over the politics of fear.

these are the same people who have been a part of "whats wrong" with the country in the first place. PEOPLE WHO RELY ON BIG BRO AND NOT THEMSELVES FOR THE CHANGE THEY WANT TO SEE

of course high school graduates are at an all time low. but those cats who quit sure as hell registered....

and everyone thought Columbus was insane for setting sail to the edge of the world....



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I can understand where you are coming from. However, i am not too worried about Obama. I got a feeling he will be mighty busy with his foreign policy. What I worry about more is Congress. People like Chuck Schumer, Rangel, Pelosi, Ried. I just got this feeling that they are the ones who are going to dictate the terms. I think Obama may be in for a rude awakening.

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Yes I think most important of all is the message this sends, that "even" a black man can make it to high office in America. Makes the kids want to aim higher rather than idolize some popstar/rapster.

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The thing is, we are a nation. A nation which is democratic. Yet one which has been paralyzed by fear for so long.

It is finally time for fear to be left behind, and to have faith in our ability to acheive our goals.

Thank GOD that we have elected a leader who can motivate and inspire people to meet those challenges.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
reply to post by drsmooth23

 

The thing is, we are a nation. A nation which is democratic. Yet one which has been paralyzed by fear for so long.

oh yeah i agree, i just think its safe to test the waters before you go cliff diving.

if your scarred of dying, then you are afraid of living. I would be really surprised if anything could be done to alleviate fear. how else would MSM pay the bills?

if anything this election has made me proud of my country, but afraid of some of the people living in it, haha.

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Originally posted by lordtyp0


The American dream part I really have to disagree with. It is about success, not toys. It is about being able to be what you want. It is about the downtrodden ascension. Not bling, $3,000 bottles of champaign and vehicles that go 5 mpg while making it so kids cant breath while playing outside. If your version of the American Dream is an episode of Baywatch or a rap video.. I am sorry.

Excuse me...Who are you to define *my* idea of the American Dream?

To each his own dream. That is the American Way.

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Actually, it's not about "alleviating" fear. It's about not allowing fear to make decisions.

If fear was allowed to make decisions instead of desire, then self-sacrifice would never occur. Instead it would be an ego-centric society.

Originally posted by anachryon
In context
(context is very important!)

It can't happen without you, without a new spirit of service, a new spirit of sacrifice.

So let us summon a new spirit of patriotism, of responsibility, where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder and look after not only ourselves but each other.

This sounds like something straight out of a Hugh Chavez speech. We are all responsible for out neighbors? We should look after our neighbors? While that has a nice, almost religious philosophical tone, it is NOT the American way. The American way is hard work and INDEPENDENCE, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. The American Dream is about owning a home, having a family and providing for THEIR needs. Not providing for and supporting your neighbors needs. That type of behavior is left to charity and churches.

edit: That is the generic idea of the American Dream. To be more technical, it is about affording each person the opportunity to make it on their own via hard work and personal responsibility.

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Originally posted by kosmicjack
reply to post by Haiku

 

Exactly how could our rights have been voted away?

Lets see... we can expect gun rights getting more restricted, limited and in cases all together gone. A fairness doctrine to limit speech. A welfare state that punishes success, ingenuity and productivity. That is what voting away rights looks like.

Children across America, of all races, will wake up tomorrow knowing that, if they work hard, they can do anything.

Anything up to a certain level before being forced to give 'their fair share' for those who did not work hard.

Not to mention, we elected a man who just happens to be a Constitutional Law expert. He understands the value of our rights as citizens.

Who has stated that the constitution is a restriction on the control of government and that it should evolve. How can he 'support and defend the Constitution' if he disagrees with it?