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posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:38 AM

"Under his plan if I succeed and become successful I will be punished by higher tax rates."

Ignoring the obvious grammatical shenanigans, you're statement implies you have not yet become "successful" by your own standards. Here's some helpful pointers for you.

Work hard.
Help others that help you.
Improve yourself.
Be honest, most importantly with yourself.
Set goals.
Maintain focus in the long term.
Review often.

That's how you're successful.

Do that and maybe WHEN you are successful... which could be anywhere from 5 months to 15 years... and IF you are penalized by an Obama tax plan... then complain. Until such time comes the entire argument is worthless.

If you even suspect that you are a person that is going to be hit by these new taxes and haven't scheduled a meeting with your CPA to lower your taxable income already you deserve what you get.

posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:45 AM
reply to post by Liberty1

Well if the Elite aren't done yet I am truly nervous about our future. What more could they want? I don't know much about the Federal Reserve, but I will start researching about it asap.

posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:46 AM
Racist comments
It's good news to human race, iraq,afghanistan and all innocent people.

posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 01:37 AM
My reply here:

posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 01:46 AM
This election madness is finally over and people still hating on each other, maybe a civil conflict between red an blue state will end this. The Divided States of America would be a better name for this country. A lot of people are worried about the economy and want to place blame on the Democrats for screwing things up so bad. It was both parties that screwed up the economy. The corruption in our government must be cleaned out, no more hand outs to Richy Rich. I think a lot of people are hating the fact that Obama won because of his race. There's already been many threats against him from the haters. I hope we as a country can work past the barriers that keep us apart before we end up fighting ourselves.

Peace to all except the Neo Cheaters and Haters

posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 01:47 AM
reply to post by gizmohd

The United Socialist States of America..."I don't know what nation you spoofed the acronym for".

Well, what did you expect? Americans making mistakes and asking for people to stand up and help them get out of it? Come on. People want nice cars, big boats, the best cell phone, the thinnest TV with the highest resolution: in summation, American people, in general, are selfish and shallow. They want the most for as little as they can get it. And credit card companies and banks are just loving this (well, not so much the latter for more than obvious reasons). I can't see how you could've not seen this coming. A politician promises MONEY to people (here is a clip from Tim Burton's Batman that relates to this idea:, what shallow and selfish person WOULD NOT vote for that?

As far as socialism goes, yeah I agree. Giving tax brakes to the poor and not to people making "X>$250K" so that way we can give money to the middle class...HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmm......what nation does that remind us of? It is CERTAINLY NOT the one who we allied with in World War II to defeat Hitler ONLY TO MAKE THEM THE NUMBER ONE FEAR OF THE WHOLE WORLD soon after. Certainly not them. But here is the thing: We saw communism as a fear because we allowed people to tell us it was to be feared. SOCIALISM (the acutal system that the Union of Soviet Socialist Replublics was under) brought a HUGE nation from dirt poor to being able to make nuclear weapons, something that only the US (and Nazi Germany had we let them alone) was able to do. So, socialism DOES work....oh wait, there is the catch: you can't fear it. So yeah, in general: Middle class America will embrace socialism if it means they have more money to feed their selfish and shallow ambitions.

I wonder if each state will have a S.S.A following their name (haha S.S.A. backwards is A.S.S.) once we fully embrace socialism? Ex. Nevada S.S.A.

Oh, another food for thought, what will happen to North and South Dakotas and Carolinas, along with regular and West Virgina? Will they merge them together to make Dakota S.S.A, Carolina S.S.A, and Virignia S.S.A., respectively, or will they keep them seperate? They're fun things to think about when you are accepting the turn to socialism this nation is making.

posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 01:50 AM

Originally posted by Gateway
reply to post by cognoscente


If socialists had it their way, they would have raised hell if the horse and buggy manufacturers went out of business.

-To the Commies:- Why aren't you guys upset that these guys lost their industry? Shouldn't you guys be upset that cars replaced the carriages and displaced these manufacturers?

[edit on 5-11-2008 by Gateway]

[edit on 5-11-2008 by Gateway]
Good point.This is the hypocrisy,paradox,whatever you want to call it.
Why aren't you guys upset that these guys lost their industry? Shouldn't you guys be upset that cars replaced the carriages and displaced these manufacturers?

In addition with all the industry moving out of america,where the commie outcry?And not after the companies are gone either.Now its too late.Socialism is almost 100 hundred years old.thats change?LOL!right.

posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 02:01 AM
reply to post by Mr_Pipp

Yes - the corruption is as old as the system itself. Being duped is just what we have been fed and have accepted as truth. When we find our integrity .... perhaps...

posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 02:46 AM
A change of president, albeit with a difference this time, and folks start behaving like it's the end of the world! What sad paranoia.....

posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 03:24 AM
Everyone should read '1984', 'Gulag Archepelago', 'Watchmen', and so on.

posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 06:18 AM
reply to post by gizmohd

lol.indeed you haven't showered me with one bit of factual or useful knowledge in your post fella. sorry but it will never happen.for one it would be more marxist where we are leading into socialism before communism.dont berate our leaders for any of this's our own faults.everyone has something to say yet never stand up to say it."a man will always stumble upon truthes.and most will pick themselves up slap the dirt off and run away."-roosevelt. and in citing this i'm saying to you all open your eyes .in theory socialism is better then capitalism on many fronts yet once socialism comes communism is sure to follow because noone ever votes the right person in,only the better speaker

posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 10:10 AM
reply to post by gizmohd

The republican party lost all credibility it had with financial matters when it managed to wipe out Clinton's surplus and leave the United States with a deficit. Add to that Bush's rampant deregulisation of the financial systems that helped get us into this mess and Obama has got to lose his sting for those afraid of him for whatever reason.

Oh, and another thing, Obama's not a socialist, if you want to see what socialism really is i suggest you look outside the boundaries of America. Obama is, in fact, a moderate conservative compared to us here in the E.U

posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 10:35 AM
I agree with you 100%. It is scary that people believe what Obama has promised can actually all happen. Democrats for the past 80 years, in every election promised universal healthcare. Yet, it has not happened! He is a socialist! He worked hard to get where he is, why doesn't he think everybody else should?

posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 10:39 AM
reply to post by gizmohd

Ok, I'm not a shill for anyone here, although I do support Obama.

However, you said something "Gone are the days where Hard Work is ..."

It seems to me that a halmark of a progressive civilization is the abolition of work altogether.

Truly, I would much rather see a world where innovative ideas were the biggest factor in individual success, not hard work.

Don't get me wrong, ain't nuthin wrong with a lil hard work. All children should be taught how, but when we condition the mind for a slave like existence that's what we will have.

Keep in mind that "Hard Work" is something not known by the 1% of the most successful people in our nation. The family which owns Johnson & Johnson isn't even involved in the company... they simply reap the rewards.

Now what if we were able to bring that to a larger majority of the world?

Personally I think those who are trying to champion Hard Work are blind to the fact that you can be rather lazy and still be hugely successful in this country.

posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 10:40 AM
As long as people insist on putting labels on everything and expecting everyone's views to fall into some neat, orderly pre-determined bin we're doomed. Some may LIKE the idea of a simplistic universe where everything fits into a handful of primary-color baskets. But (don't cry now) it doesn't work that way.

If socialism is having policies that benefit the many instead of the top 1% then call me a socialist. Better yet, call me a humanist. I wouldn't be able to enjoy eating my cake sitting in my high-tower when I knew the majority of people were homeless and starving. Besides, in the past, people who DID have that attitude tended to lse their heads... literally.

The very same people that seem to support elitism try and talk about America and country in the same breath. You can't have it both ways. And don't give me the tired 'but it's the elite that create jobs' argument. That flies in the face of the 'small businesses make jobs' argument that the RNC was making during the campaigns.

The bottom line is we're supposed to be building a nation. We're supposed to care for our own. That's NOT socialism. That is among the precepts on which this country was built. I'm tired and sickened by the selfishness and elitist mentality this country has embraced. There is plenty of room for personal acheivement and wealth building without throwing your fellow American's under the bus. Not everyone strives to the same goals. Not everyone measures happiness by the same measure. There is room for divergent opinions and points-of-view in this country without marginalizing anyone.

posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 10:44 AM
reply to post by ClintK

Here's a fact for you.
According to CNN Political ticker,On June 5,2008 obama voted yes on the senate concurrent resolution 70 which was an outline for the senates budget through 2013. If made into law, it would increase taxes on people starting at $41,500 and couples starting at $83,000. Do you think that he just all the sudden changed his mind about that? Wait, oh yeah it's too late, he voted yes already!!

posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 11:28 AM
reply to post by sickofitall2012

Oh yet another person who thinks an increase of anykind is an issue. Let's talk percentages shall we?

posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:14 PM
reply to post by HunkaHunka

I'm sorry, Your point is not clear to me. What percentages?
The point I'm making is that $250,000 is a lie. He already voted yes to increasing them starting at $41,000.

posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:25 PM
reply to post by gizmohd

Hahaha! This stuff is hilarious. You are acting like socialism is a bad thing. Check out the standards of living across the US and Europe, and notice the trend of the better places to live being distinctly socialist.

We all live in the same countries as our compatriots. We are all in this together. It only makes sense to try to elevate everyone's well-being, as it is a temporary measure which helps increase the quality of life for everyone in the long-run. Rich people got rich due to the society, and poor people often stay poor because of the same society. Fixing that imbalance by slightly dinging the rich people (the massively rich, not well-off folks) in order to help everyone (themselves included) makes perfect sense.

Of course there will always be greedy people trying to cling to every last penny they have, while somehow managing to scrape together enough cognitive dissonance to separate the notion of people's wealth and the society in which they won or lost it.

The US system clearly doesn't work, as it's far too easy for poor people to never get a chance to escape poverty, while the rich eat up more and more of the country's wealth to simply put in massive bank accounts that will never be touched for generations, by which time their kids would have been attacked by poor people simply trying to survive.

But I'm sure someone will chime in here screaming something about 'stealing mah monies' or 'poor people are poor because they want to be' or 'welfare-suckling gutter trash don't want to help themselves', etc. It always happens. Some people are just selfish.

posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:54 PM
reply to post by gizmohd

Where were you for the last 8 years? Is this the country you know or has it changed for the worst as a result of the greed of just a few? The people have spoken and THANK GOD that the good outnumber the bigots in this fine country. And at last the working person will have a chance and an opportunity like my father had. Open your eyes. If you are better off now than 8 years ago then I stand corrected. The last 8 years was an assault on all that is good in this country and an attempt to eliminate the middle class. And theese are the people that bring true greatness to this the UNITED States of America.

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