US Military.... why?, page 6
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reply posted on 6-11-2008 @ 09:49 PM by ZindoDoone
reply to post by mf_luder



Your right other than to interject that movies like this and the backgrounds of those who produce and direct have a great deal to do with the perception of our armed forces. Nearly every movie made during and after Viet Nam had more to do with the miniscule amount of bad apples and playing to the lowest level than actual stories of real folks that did amazing jobs in a near imposible circumstances!
Zindo



reply posted on 6-11-2008 @ 10:59 PM by cmd18B
Originally posted by chapter29
I found the soldiers in the Army to lack social skills, educational pedigree, hygiene awareness and had poor financial skills - especially with their own money...

And despite knowing this then & now, I still can't think of a better group of individuals to protect the homeland...not once did I regret enlisting nor worry about putting it on the line with these people...yes, there will always be a few bad apples, but the atrocities that occur on the civilian side are ten fold of what happens inside the military.

I have more fond memories of my time in the military than my time on the block...




The man is right, Good thread and I would just like to add that in my own opinion and now being reintroduced as a civilian I see that most people have become flaccid on war and rightfully so its also from ignorance from peole who have never served and Im not judging because it not for everybody but some idiots do slip through the cracks...How many people on this website have lost family members or knew of a servicemember to die in the GWOT and all other wars and conflicts?. Ive lost many and without bashing my branch of service but some bad apples do cast a dim light on military service but then again others become the poster boy for the armed services, I think we are sour on the war because to be frank I am sick of combat and war.I would have to say walking away was tough, I served with some real professionals who got the job done and it was nice to be a part of that and to be part of a family but there are delta bravos who give the armed forces a bad name.

[edit on 6-11-2008 by cmd18B]


reply posted on 7-11-2008 @ 11:55 AM by Jenna
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They haven't lowered standards though. They have actually raised them. I posted a link or two on the last page I think about it. This is a very common misconception. You used to be able to enlist with certain types of felonies, though never sexual assault, rape, or domestic abuse. Now you cannot enlist with a felony at all, including people who were convicted while minors. Could be something as simple as trying to smoke out bees and accidentally catching the house on fire. Arson is a felony so you're a no go. That comes from the info I posted before on this thread. Not word for word, but that was given as an example of people who have been given a waiver in the past for a felony. Now even that will disqualify them.


edit to say: Thank you by the way!

[edit on 7-11-2008 by Jenna]



reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 07:06 AM by mf_luder
reply to post by cmd18B



Having been in for seven years, something I need to point out is that the standards for entry haven't dropped. What HAS changed is our basic training methods. I know I went through a basic training where we were still yelled at, smoked, and turned from individually thinking civilians into a team of soldiers. I'm sure you, having just retired? did as well.

Well, now - the basic training is much softer - from what I've heard, no yelling, the smoke session are bascially non-existant.. etc.

We saw these changes proposed in 2006 while I was in my second tour in Iraq and then - a lot of us NCOs were like, "Great." And now, 2 years later I look at the kids coming in the Army and shake my head. It's up to us - the NCOs out in the line units to actually shape these kids up where I believe the Drills in Basic and AIT should be the ones to do so. We've seen a lot of discipline level changes for the negative and a lot of basic soldiers skills fade away from their time in basic. This is a problem.

That's my two bits.


reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 09:18 PM by cmd18B
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Nicely put Fox Mulder, I mean M F Luder ...Welcome home from your overseas obligations and yes the training has changed so Ive been told, I remember spending hours with my battle buddy polishing boots and the smoke sessions were the worst, Im kinda jealous of the new recruits...And another poster made a good point, I think it was Zindo but he was dead on by saying that anybody that joins the army or marines these days is almost guarnteed a trip overseas so I always try to tell the younger kids to really weigh their decisions before signing that contract..Good contributions from the posters and good topic Luder...


reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 09:22 PM by mf_luder
reply to post by cmd18B



Much thanks to you and to your good replies - btw - I'm in Korea at the moment, the NCOIC of a detachment in Uijongbu.


reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 09:33 PM by mf_luder
reply to post by cmd18B



Well after having been to Iraq twice when they told me I could "AIP"here for about 2 more years, I was like - hell yeah! So I've been here since Oct 2007 and won't be out of Korea until Oct 2009.

I'm on my second reenlistment and won't be ETS'ing until 2014 - if then.


reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 09:39 PM by cmd18B
reply to post by mf_luder


HMM..Have you considered WOCS? I spent a good amount of time with warrant officers and they really do know their stuff and are high speed, especially the commo wo's...



[edit on 8-11-2008 by cmd18B]


reply posted on 9-11-2008 @ 05:04 AM by MischeviousElf
Today in the UK is the remembrance Sunday to remember and pay honor to those who have died fighting in the war's in the UK and the Commonwealth.

As you would all see from my posts on this thread I don't give Carte Blanche respect to the military, as I feel there is much wrong with the training and behaviour of the present troops.

But As I said in my earlier posts its not all the services like this, there are very brave men out there and some who are "Gentlemen of Honor" too.

They would never do what the Vids I posted depicted, and would probably fight, or report such instances.

I would therefore like here today on this day of remembrance in the UK to on this thread to bring to your attention a US Marine who in the second world war showed true bravery, and should not be forgotten.

Thomas J. KELLY Medal of Honor
Citation: He was an aidman with the 1st Platoon, Co C

During an attack on the town of Alemert, Germany. The platoon, committed in a flanking maneuver had advanced down a small open valley, overlooked by wooded slopes hiding enemy machineguns and tanks, when the attack was stopped by murderous fire that inflicted heavy casualties in the American ranks.

Ordered to withdraw, Cpl. Kelly reached safety with the uninjured remnants of the unit, but, on realizing the extent of casualties suffered by the platoon, he voluntarily retraced his steps and began evacuating his comrades under direct machinegun fire.

He was forced to crawl, dragging the injured behind him for most of the 300 yards separating the exposed area from a place of comparative safety. Two other volunteers who attempted to negotiate the hazardous route with him were mortally wounded, but he kept on with his herculean task after dressing their wounds and carrying them to friendly hands.

In all, he made 10 separate trips through the brutal fire, each time bringing out a man from this death trap. 7 more casualties who were able to crawl by themselves he guided and encouraged in escaping from the hail of fire. After he had completed his heroic, self-imposed task and was near collapse from fatigue, he refused to leave his platoon until the attack had been resumed and the objective taken.

Cpl. Kelly’s gallantry and intrepidity in the face of seemingly certain death saved the lives of many of his fellow soldiers and was an example of bravery under fire.

Medal of Honor Citations

May he and his like not be forgotten, and their true warrior spirit spread to others today under fire around the world.

Elf.

[edit on 9-11-2008 by MischeviousElf]


reply posted on 9-11-2008 @ 05:24 AM by mf_luder
reply to post by cmd18B



Funny, you're not the only one who's asked me that question. I've had like 3 warrants tell me I should go.

Thing is - I'm up for my first look at 7 in 2010 and I want to see if I get picked up before I drop a packet. Plus - I've only been in CI for about a year now. But yeah - more than likely, I'll go to WOCS in the future if I make the Army a career.
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