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Originally posted by fleabit
Just another example of Amercians taking for granted, rights that so many other countries (and our own, years ago), do not have. So many countries where there is one person on the ballot.... you have no choice. Every time I meet someone from another country who has become a citizen in ours, they are just thrilled and estatic that they can place a vote.
When I served on jury duty 3 years ago, and again in Grand Jury recently (an 18 month stint no less), I was amazed at the people I talked with, both in the courtroom, and in my office. The amount of people that would do everything within their power to "get out" of jury duty staggers me. There are so few countries that even allow you to be tried by a jury of your peers.... most would give their left eye to have our court system. And they'd find it a *great* honor to serve in that process. And yet in America, most I talk to feel it's a burden... a chore.. something to "get out of." It's disheartening.
There were 16 cantidates on the ballot this year for President. I find it hard to believe anyone could find all 16 cantidates equally bad and not worth voting for. Regardless of they were all terrible (and they are not), you have a choice to make the best of a bad situation. Choosing to do nothing at all is just burying your head in the sand.
Originally posted by Solarskye
Originally posted by SuperSecretSquirrel
If you didn't vote, then don't complain.
What! Their are voters out there that shouldn't complain. Those who take no responsibility for their life. Those living off government and making babies they can't afford but yet they can vote.
No !" not voting " has nothing to do with complaining. If I decided not to vote but work my butt off and pay taxes and do all I can do to support my family and keep this economy going then I have a right to complain anytime I like. To many people have fought and died for this country to be denied a voice because they didn't vote.
Why, WHY do you people say stuff like this? Do you have ANY idea how close minded and retarded those "one line zingers" sound? Of course you don't because you like to feel better (pompous) than those that don't vote. Well let me tell you something buddy, I have never voted, did not this time and I CAN complain and there isn't a DAMN THING you can do about it! So get off your damn high horse and try to understand and appreciate WHY some people choose not to vote instead of responding with more "one line zingers" that do nothing but shut down intelligent discourse. I live here, the actions and decisions those politicians make effect MY LIFE and I have EVERY right to complain and defend my position. You wanna feel good about yourself by engaging in a completely corrupted "election" race so you have a "right" to complain, fine do it but don't tell me I have "no right to complain" and expect to get away with saying crap like that just because it is a common "One line zinger" response to positions contrary to your own. Have some damn common respect!
Originally posted by MrPenny
Well....this has been one of the rare times I've ventured into the political forums.
It's clear to me now--maybe not you, the reader--how the politicians and corporations have been increasingly able to get away with it.
Citizen(?) apathy and confusion have successfully caused many people to disenfranchise themselves. The politicians didn't even need some nefarious gerrymandering or legislation to do it.
Not a single opinion expressed here has as yet impressed me enough to justify the refusal to use 1-2 hours, every four years, and cast a vote. The aggregate time spent here on ATS, truly accomplishing diddly squat, is not a good substitute.
Because really....despite the activist attitudes and words.....have any of you changed anything with your posts? And can you legitimately claim to have tried? I can....because I went to the polling place and cast a vote.
Some of you....sadly....
......and you're still frickin' whining.
And now I'll take my leave of the "political" forums.
Originally posted by wozza
If you did not vote, did not stand up and be counted (and you have that right) then fine, that is your choice and one I respect. However do not copmplain when things don't go as you would like as you did nothing whatsoever to try and influence the outcome of the election. It is a question of taking responsibilty for your inaction
Originally posted by MemoryShock
Sorry if you couldn't hear me; it's tough trying to yell up to that pedestal you have placed yourself on...
"So before you decide your vote doesn't matter in this election, I ask you consider this question: where else in your life are you "sitting this one out"? Where have you pulled back, gathered up your marbles and left the playing field because you didn't like or agree with the way the game was being played? What relationships have stopped working due, in part, to your decision not to fully participate?
You might be absolutely correct in your assumption that not voting is a way to register your destain for the corruption of the process or the candidates. I would not argue that the process is without serious problems. Nevertheless, by not participating the process, you give up your right to have a say in the matter. That, ultimately, is the premise upon which this country was founded." Dr. Judith Rich
Originally posted by Ian McLean
Hey MemoryShock, what do you think of the idea of going to vote, but simply turning in a blank ballot? Yes, certainly that wouldn't 'affect the results' (as if), but it would be a gesture that shows a willingness to participate, and an indication that it's the system and choices that are flawed, not the concept of individual involvement.