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Russias 8 day war against the NWO

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posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 05:16 PM
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Well You said it, I can basically agree with you there. This is after all aimed at provoking Russia into War. IMO thats probably why Russia was only there for eight days.

So what do you guys think, will Russia having a better idea what the US is up to launch a counter offensive, or will they wait for US to try to take Iran?




posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 08:21 PM
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The answer to that question is found in history.

Russian military history did not begin at Stalingrad, but it certainly mirrors Stalingrad.

Russia is used to being invaded and used to accepting a seige and waiting out the enemy. Casualties and destruction do not concern them. Being the one standing up at the end of the fight concerns them. Russia has never been a nation to take the fight to the enemy.

Too many things can go wrong for a nation like Russia, which is almost always outnumbered, outgunned, and outclassed on the battlefield. Russia relies on a strategy of minimizing the friction of battle by keeping it simple, and patiently waiting for the enemy to start wearing down.

The United States is placing Russia under seige.
They are figuratively pulling out of their fields and countryside and into their cities to hunker down for a seige, and America is making camp outside and surrounding them.

That's whats happening by letting former Soviet republics go and then failing to mount major military resistance as America takes those.

And as this happens, the US is exerting itself and growing weary of the long campaign, while Russian troops may continue to catch up in their inferior weapons and doctrine.


Russia also has a tendency towards internationalism when fighting large foes. From the League of the Armed Neutrality to the Big Three in WWII, the Russians understand that they have to play the fringes of the balance of power system usually, and even when they were a superpower they prefered to fight through proxies rather than directly engaging.

Therefore it stands to reason that Russia will let resistance to our occupations and also China wear us down.

The Russians will probably never set foot in a country that has US troops in it. They won't have to. They're probably praying to god we'll invade Iran. They know the fight will be bad for us and will up the ante between us and China, and will bring us that much closer to the day when we have to start backing out of central asia and they can start coming in behind us to pick a side in the power vaccuum and set up banana soviet socialist republics again.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 08:35 PM
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I tend to agree with you about that once again. Though something tells me, if the US decides start messing with Iran the next thing we are going to see is Russian and/or Chinese troops on American Soil. That is after all one place that tends to be lacking with US troops being so spread out abroad. Kinda makes me wonder where this NAU might come into play, you know?

Right now the US is bulking up on homeland security, which could prove to be a whole new type of animal then the US military altogether. I mean for example, isn't this sorta what happened with Nazi Germany? Before Hitler wasn't the military a bit more traditional as compared to the way it was in the height of WWII, or do you think the UN is going to get involved somehow by sending other troops over say EU for instance, should anything ever happen on US soil?



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 08:47 PM
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Great thread bro.
It actually gives me a little hope.
God bless Russia.
Ru-sha...Ru-sha..Ru-sha.
I hope they cause as little collateral damage as possible when they nuke the F*** out of us.

God I feel good now. Thank you for the lift. I needed that. S&F



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 08:50 PM
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If Chinese or Russian paratroopers invaded U.S. soil, you would see tens of millions of Americans turn from civilian to soldier in an instant. I am not for war, except the ones that are necessary. You would see me, a (at most times) pacifist up in arms!!



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 09:32 PM
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In all fairness I would too, but this could go either way. If the election continues to go smoothly, US does not invade Iran, or Declare Martial law and George Bush does leave office on January 20, 2009 I would be there right along side of you.

However, being a firm believer in the constitution I will stand up for the constitution from enemies foreign and domestic. Right now the world is watching the US and for right now up until the event that George Bush leaves office or the USA becomes a dictatorship there is hope.

If something wrong happens between now and then, say martial law is declared and Russia invades or anyone else for that matter, I will know it is because our once great nation is falling and I would side with whoever is there for the American People and not international bankers and global elites. If that is the nationi happens to be a foreign nation such as Russia, who decides to keep the United States to their word, (the constitution) I would gladly take up arms to ensure that the US Constitution is not overthrown.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 09:37 PM
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Yeah Cbass, good to see you here. Gas is $1.98 here, I never thought I would ever see that happen ever again! Thank you Russia!



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 05:36 PM
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Great find, it was a good read, time travel and all.
I hope that the NWO was hurt bad and that we can go into the next decade withe happiness



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 05:51 PM
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This is very interesting you know, there is a prophecy by the Legendary Vanga who has been remarkably accurate, it says:

“Everything will melt away like ice yet the glory of Vladimir , the glory of Russia are the only things that will remain. Russia will not only survive, it will dominate the world. (1979)



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 07:07 PM
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That sounds similar to the Edgar Cayce mention within the article. Could you provide any linkage?



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 07:09 PM
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What I find amusing is the fact that the Rothschilds and Rockefellers were not aware of 2012 until more recently. As outlined in a Three Wolrd War plan for a One World Government by Julius Caesar, apparently they always felt that they had more time. I guess times running out.



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 09:19 AM
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how exactly does russia defending itself from georgia drive gas prices down?

you would think that a threat to american oil pipelines would in turn drive the price up..??

could someone explain?



posted on Nov, 8 2008 @ 03:47 AM
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I found myself taking a very skeptical attitude towards the assertions in the original post and then it occurred to me,

What if this release of information, documents and video they claim Russia will perform is set to take place as soon as Obama takes office? What if this is the "test" Biden referred to which will require the US to support Obama even though it will "look like we are in the wrong" at first?

I've been trying to figure out what event they know is coming and even have a date for which cannot be prevented. A possible terror attack or military action against the US would be something we could act to negate, for the most part. If we know the Russians plan to spill the beans on the Georgian war there is very little our intelligence services can do about it.

I do believe we are in for a war and that the war will be with at least one major opponent. I'm afraid to say it but the pieces all do seem to fit. Time will tell, of course.

[edit on 8-11-2008 by nfotech]

[edit on 8-11-2008 by nfotech]



posted on Nov, 8 2008 @ 03:05 PM
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I think everybody is just waiting to see what exactly happens when Obama becomes President and I imagine that Russia us also waiting to see how he deals with foreign policy. Russia did give him an ultimatum so to speak, also congratulating him for being elected. The thing that we are going to have to look for in the future is what stance Obama takes with Poland. That will determine Russias decision. If there is any foul play between now and January 20, Russia will probably not take to kindly to it.



posted on Nov, 8 2008 @ 07:20 PM
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Sorry to take a break from the thread suddenly like that. To answer the question about Russia or China putting boots on US Soil, I consider it both an impractical and unnecessary response for either of those enemies to attempt.

The Russians and Chinese really don't have the hardware yet to conduct and protect a big enough sea lift to invade the United States, or to strike anywhere else very far from their coast if the US Navy fully resists. The Chinese in particular are starting to think very seriously about the rapid development of a blue water navy, and to that end are working with economical but effective technologies like quieter diesel subs, but they are well aware that they are 5-10 years from being able to slug it out with the United States in most of Asia and 15-20 years from being able to actually project power against US interests outside of Asia.

The Chinese are very into soft power and may be able to sell the Russians on that, although the Russians tend to be very direct and Putin does not seem overly anxious to make Russian defense policy grow in sophistication.

If China draws a line in the sand and the United States crosses that line, China would probably go on a spending spree and dump its reserves of US dollars to drive up the price of a few carefully chosen resources while driving down America's buying power (and that of any allies of ours who like greenbacks). It's a dangerous move for China, because it really hurts their number one market, however they could always bite the bullet and peddle their wares to the less fortunate at a cut rate to reduce the economic fallout on themselves while strengthening ties to often overlooked nations.

Frankly I don't have the energy to gather and analyze the data necessary to tell you how well that would play out and what their target would be. The best I can do quickly is a hypothetical illustration.

One hypothetical response to an American invasion of Iran would be to ship weapons, intelligence operatives, and "technical advisors" to Eritrea, the Sudan, and certain factions in Somalia and send them after Ethiopia, and in exchange promise them massive support for infrastructure projects.

So they take out a US pawn, and pay for it by flooding the world with US dollars to buy up labor and cement for those promised infrastructure projects. The guest worker market is important to small nations in the gulf, so our allies hurt when demand and thus wages go up. A spike in concrete prices is bad for anyone doing a lot of building (like America, or any nation that has just been bombed by and needs to be rebuilt by America) but good for suppliers (Egypt among them) and the end result if it all goes well is that they've built allies and a base of power in a strategic location near the middle east. This threat to the Red Sea and Saudi Arabia increases the importance of Turkey and India significantly. India is a member of BRICS, is neutral, and has significant interests in East Africa, and thus is pulled further from the US and closer to Russia and China by such a move. Turkey thus becomes vital to US strategy in the ME despite having been unwilling to help with Iraq. Turkey is unlikely to welcome any significant role in a burgeoning new cold war, and will probably become even less cooperative as long as Russia and China don't show any signs of aggression.

And there you have it- it doesn't end the US war, but it makes what we're doing that much harder and more expensive, which appeals to Russia's siege mentality as much as to China's soft power focus, making it a fairly plausible flavor of joint retaliation for Russia and China to undertake.


Now, if we got them so steamed that they really wouldn't settle for anything less than a GREAT BIG WAR against us, the logical place for the Russians and Chinese to strike is the West Pacific. This is just plain not going to happen, but I'm including it for those who disagree with me and believe that Russia and China are willing and able to start a serious war with America in the near term.

By starting the war through proxies with whom they have close ties and obligations, and against whom America has obligations or just bad blood, they can start a war but keep it off of their soil.

For instance, the Russians and Chinese could encourage a North Korean escalation of tensions until war broke out on the Korean peninsula (I'm not sure that it matters who starts it really) then when America starts to support the South, jump into the war with both feet, and let the front stabilize deep in the South, forcing America to begin operating from Japan, which in turn justifies the launch of missile and air strikes on Japan. America will retaliate. While it may seem trivial, the fact of such a scenario would be that America bombed China when China never bombed America. Bombing American forces on Japanese soil isn't quite bombing America and isn't quite bombing Japan, as long as nothing civilian gets hit. So if America bombs China back and hits so much as one civilian janitor, I think China and Russia get off with a slap on the wrist if they destroy American naval forces in the theater with nukes. What's America going to do? Drop a nuke on Chinese or Russian soil in retaliation for a nuke on a ship at sea, especially after the nuclear escalation for the first attack on Chinese soil? I think not. Now they offer to pull out of South Korea and pay limited reparations in exchange for America doing likewise in Iran, and although its a stalemate ending, they sell it to allies as if they forced America to withdraw from both theaters.

The end state is America short maybe 2 or 3 battlegroups plus a couple of EXTREMELY valuable LMSRs, suffered several thousand casualties, and appears to no longer be the balance holder from anywhere in Asia. Iran would be a mess, and Russia and China would be stepping into a brave new world on their continent that they might not be economically or militarily prepared to control, but would have to try. Extremely risky scenario all around, but really the only shot Russia and China have of delivering a crippling blow to actually stop America's middle eastern adventures.



posted on Nov, 8 2008 @ 08:43 PM
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Thanks, seems plausible. I will prrobably have to read it a couple more times.

Are you guys seeing any sort of a connection with the tainted food from China?



posted on Nov, 8 2008 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by 12.21.12
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What I find amusing is the fact that the Rothschilds and Rockefellers were not aware of 2012 until more recently. As outlined in a Three Wolrd War plan for a One World Government by Julius Caesar, apparently they always felt that they had more time. I guess times running out.


This is excellent news. They ARE running out of time, there are too many good people and spiritual hierarchies that are for the good of mankind, I'm just joyous that their plans extended beyond 2012, they'll probably try to speed it up now though.



posted on Nov, 8 2008 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by -zeropoint-

Originally posted by 12.21.12
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What I find amusing is the fact that the Rothschilds and Rockefellers were not aware of 2012 until more recently. As outlined in a Three Wolrd War plan for a One World Government by Julius Caesar, apparently they always felt that they had more time. I guess times running out.


This is excellent news. They ARE running out of time, there are too many good people and spiritual hierarchies that are for the good of mankind, I'm just joyous that their plans extended beyond 2012, they'll probably try to speed it up now though.


That would explain the FEMA camps.



posted on Nov, 8 2008 @ 09:12 PM
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I personally believe all the major countries are in on it,and yes i do believe there is some sort of NWO,but not the right wing evangelical view.Its about business,making money....russia likes making money.Do you seriously think China and Russia are crusaders against this? i very much doubt it.



posted on Nov, 8 2008 @ 09:17 PM
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Take a look at Russia and China. They are massive. They are opponents of it, you should read the entire article.

As of right now 80% of the world shares the same laws under parliament. They want that extra 20%. It is essential to them to create a One World Government.



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