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reply posted on 6-11-2008 @ 02:17 PM by Zerbst
reply to post by chameleon302


i buy apricot seeds, as well as laetrile tablets, from mexico through the mail. $20 u.s. supplies three of us at least 12 months. the clinics you mention sound like they prey on desperate people and that's a shame.

i guess b17 may very well be "quackery", but why is it illegal? why do i have to go to mexico to buy it? these questions tell me things that, i personally, rely on for my personal answers. much more than quackwatch or similar studies. simple facts speak more clearly to me then do paid studies.

it's the same thing as aspartame. aspartame cleary effects human health in a negative way, yet there is a natural substitute that has been banned from american consumption. start answering these questions and the waters become less muddy.

these are my beliefs that i'm sharing. they are not meant to be taken as gospel and criticized. only to point out possible new avenues for others to research. that's all.

jz


reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 11:15 AM by Buck Division
An interesting related article is the iGEM, Genetically Engineered Machine Competition taking place this week at MIT.

parts2.mit.edu...

Last year, someone engineered a form of bacteria that can seek out tumors reliably. The next step is to further modify the bacteria to release tumor necrosis factor or some other agent to shrink or destroy these tumors.

www.princeton.edu...

Not exactly around the corner, but this is a very promising approach.

Those guys at MIT are quite smart, actually.


reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 03:03 PM by bigfatfurrytexan
Originally posted by novrod
The papers you're talking about were just the beginning. You should read the ones that came out this year. I'm sorry but I didn't have the time to go through them yet but I will when I manage to get the opinion from specialists.

People tend to forget this takes time. From the first evidences you must formulate your theory and afterwords [I'm jumping many steps] you may start the first trials.

Killing people from the cure you claim to have found is as bad has the disease itself.


[edit on 02/11/2008 by novrod]

[edit on 02/11/2008 by novrod]



50+ years without curing a disease. That is a lot of time to give. Honestly.

But there are "treatments" galore, each costing a fair amount of money. My mother? She pays about 10k for the CHOP and about 20k for the rituxin she recieves every time her lymphoma begins growing again. That is per dose, and each treatment requires between 6-8 doses over a two month period.

So, i asked myself, "Why am i donating to cancer research through charitable organizations?" It does seem that cancer research can be adequately funded via the astronomical costs applied to treatment.

Add to this that the prices get overinflated so that the insurance companies can haggle down the price, and the companies can make the profits they still want. Of course, if you are uninsured you are screwed because you are billed the original price anyway. You don't get to haggle.

Healthcare is becoming a scam. Honestly. It is sad that we have no other option (than to allow ourselves to die).


reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 04:22 PM by Anonymous ATS




reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 07:52 PM by Power_Semi
Just to add to my last post you can find a short list of companies who are "committed to helping the ACS":

www.cancer.org...

These are:


AstraZeneca

AT&T

dressbarn, inc.

HSBC - North America

International Business Machines Corporation (IBM)

Merrill Lynch

MetLife

Novartis Corporation

PartyLite Gifts, Inc.

Pfizer, Inc.

Sanofi-Aventis

The Longaberger Company

Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.,/Sam’s Club

Walgreens

Wells Fargo

A new era of corporate outreach for the American Cancer Society has been launched through its Employer Initiative. Its goal is to build lasting relationships with major U.S. companies by offering and implementing products and services that help employers meet their business goals while increasing mission and income returns to the Society. These business goals are a combination of sales, health and wellness, employee recruitment and retention, corporate 'good citizen,' philanthropy, and community involvement activities........
....... The American Cancer Society proudly recognized these community leaders and expressed sincere gratitude for their contributions

Who'da thunk it?



[edit on 8-11-2008 by Power_Semi]


reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 08:10 PM by Power_Semi
You can also read this full report below here:

www.preventcancer.com...

The American Cancer Society (ACS) is accumulating great wealth in its role as a "charity." According to James Bennett, professor of economics at George Mason University and recognized authority on charitable organizations, in 1988 the ACS held a fund balance of over $400 million with about $69 million of holdings in land, buildings, and equipment (1). Of that money, the ACS spent only $90 million— 26 percent of its budget— on medical research and programs. The rest covered "operating expenses," including about 60 percent for generous salaries, pensions, executive benefits, and overhead. By 1989, the cash reserves of the ACS were worth more than $700 million (2). In 1991, Americans, believing they were contributing to fighting cancer, gave nearly $350 million to the ACS, 6 percent more than the previous year. Most of this money comes from public donations averaging $3,500, and high-profile fund-raising campaigns such
as the springtime daffodil sale and the May relay races. However, over the last two decades, an increasing proportion of the ACS budget comes from large corporations, including the pharmaceutical, cancer drug, telecommunications, and entertainment industries.

In 1992, the American Cancer Society Foundation was created to allow the ACS to actively solicit contributions of more than $100,000. However, a close look at the heavy-hitters on the Foundation's board will give an idea of which interests are at play and where the Foundation expects its big contributions to come from. The Foundation's board of trustees included corporate executives from the pharmaceutical, investment, banking, and media industries. Among them:

David R. Bethune, president of Lederle Laboratories, a multinational pharmaceutical company and a division of American Cyanamid Company. Bethune is also vice president of American Cyanamid, which makes chemical fertilizers and herbicides while transforming itself into a full-fledged pharmaceutical company. In 1988, American Cyanamid introduced Novatrone, an anti-cancer drug. And in 1992, it announced that it would buy a majority of shares of Immunex, a cancer drug maker.


Multimillionaire Irwin Beck, whose father, William Henry Beck, founded the nation's largest family-owned retail chain, Beck Stores, which analysts estimate brought in revenues of $1.7 billion in 1993.


Gordon Binder, CEO of Amgen, the world's foremost biotechnology company, with over $1 billion in product sales in 1992. Amgen's success rests almost exclusively on one product, Neupogen, which is administered to chemotherapy patients to stimulate their production of white blood cells. As the cancer epidemic grows, sales for Neupogen continue to skyrocket.


Diane Disney Miller, daughter of the conservative multi-millionaire Walt Disney, who died of lung cancer in 1966, and wife of Ron Miller, former president of the Walt Disney Company from 1980 to 1984.

George Dessert, famous in media circles for his former role as censor on the subject of "family values" during the 1970s and 1980s as CEO of CBS, and now chairman of the ACS board.


Alan Gevertzen, chairman of the board of Boeing, the world's number one commercial aircraft maker with net sales of $30 billion in 1992.


Sumner M. Redstone, chairman of the board, Viacom Inc. and Viacom International Inc., a broadcasting, telecommunications, entertainment, and cable television corporation.
The results of this board's efforts have been very successful. A million here, a million there— much of it coming from the very industries instrumental in shaping ACS policy, or profiting from it. In 1992, The Chronicle of Philanthropy reported that the ACS was "more interested in accumulating wealth than in saving lives." Fund-raising appeals
routinely stated that the ACS needed more funds to support its cancer programs, all the while holding more than..


reply posted on 9-11-2008 @ 10:46 AM by matsplat
Reminds me of Homeopathy
My understanding comes from years of following complentary therapies - we, will someday soon catch up with the past, I believe - in the understanding of how wholistic we are.

Edgar Cayce still fascinates me, he proclaimed we will come back to understanding ourselves more wholistically. In the past, apparently, we were treated firstly via our energy counterpart - this is where I could get into Auras, chakras, prana etc. but you get the jist. The very last kind of treatments to be used by a healer/doctor/witch/wizard/goblin or whatever would have been the kind of treatments we primarily get now with our one-track mediacal belief systems.

Well, I believe Homoepathy comes from the past. It is one of a few surviving studies. An encyclopedia will tell you it stems from Greece (the science and the name!) but I think it goes back. Maybe Atlantis. -skeptics note I said 'maybe' ! -

Homoepathy works with our energy counterpart. It's almost like a neuron firing a highly complex machine. A very minute signature of something unique by classification, has an effect. Sugar is involved too although the combination is not in contrast to the Gc-MAF - and I'm not saying that the similarity is that strong.

I just hope breakthroughs like this do emerge now, in sync with more understanding and acceptance of what we really are - i.e. the full caboodle of what we are. Our limits, our links. We are part of energy, of life.

maybe the breakthroughs will seem to be more 'simple' too. Real eureka moments arising to a simple answer.
The torture of innocent little bunnies and animals could end too and that would be cool too!
If they could stop to


reply posted on 11-11-2008 @ 04:53 AM by Ironclad
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Native American healers, Incan healers, African Shamen... none of these guys are scientists, but all of them have been using herbs & resins for 10,000's of years. The Amazon has seen many awsome drugs from plants & animals that have been found by scientists.

But before the scientists found most of these drugs, they got the information of their potential, because they were made aware that the natives were using these items to cure their ailments.

Old medecine is the very foundation on which many new cures are discovered.

Todays witch Doctors (ie herbalists and health nuts), aren't without some merit. Likely they have not found a cure in its self, but many of the substances they use have'nt even been tested for their potential by modern science.

Don't throw alternative medecine out the door until science has actually got of it's but from saying that don't work & physically proven each herb has no merit.

Remember most modern disease cures are derived from natural drugs, and we are only at the tip of the iceberg when it comes to looking into each and every Vegi on the planet & finding what each one could be used for..lol



reply posted on 11-11-2008 @ 09:56 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by Static Sky



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Regards...


reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 04:48 AM by mmiichael
Strong opinions on this one. I once had a job as the publisher of a peer review Canadian medical journal, and have a lot of respect for serious practicing physicians and researchers.

My late wife was a doctor. She died of a particulary virulent form of cancer, melanoma, at age 37.

I'd advise going back in this thread and reading what those who are informed about the nature of cancer and current bonafide research have said.

Cancer is not just a simple disease that some magic pill will ever cure. It's in great part the bodies losing of the ability to maintain cellular order and integrity.

Diet, some alternative therapies, positive outlook often contribute to one's well-being and ability to fight cancer, it's been demonstrated. But anecdotal evidence is not proof of a reproducible cure.

I'm shocked by the conspiracy theorizing that invades even discussion of this terrible disease. This should not be just another opprtunity to rant about how big business is screwing people. I can take it with the theoretical UFO stuff, the historical analysis, the religious issues. But this is about terrible extended suffering of people who are often close to us.

The pharmaceutical companies may run rampant and extract every dollar they can, at every opportunity. But no one is suppressing a cancer cure. Even the greediest heartless people would find a way to jump on the bandwagon of some new form of treatment that showed statisitcally significant results.


Mike F


reply posted on 24-12-2008 @ 10:45 PM by Unlimitedpossibilities
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Right, because its free all of a sudden they are benign treatments...
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