Apparently cancer cure has been around for a while

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posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by ToolFanMael
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althought this is groundbreaking news and im not knocking the OP at all.. I would love to hear what a cancer specialist would say to this.....


And by cancer specialist, you really mean "someone who profits greatly from a practice providing treatments that make the patient violently ill and most often do nothing to save his/her life, only suck his/her and their family's bank accounts dry."

Whether this is a really a cure or a hoax isn't the issue... the issue is that people are ALWAYS looking to find a cure to their ails instead of doing something to prevent it in the first place, like taking care of themselves and treating their bodies the way nature intended them to. I am guilty of this as well, and I might end up with lung cancer because I've been a smoker for 15 years now (and I enjoy it, which is why I haven't quit for any serious length of time). If we all fed our bodies with real, nature-made food and none of the synthetic crap we find in almost everything today, eliminated the stressful, rat-race for our next paycheck, had healthy relationships with other human beings, cared about our environment and the planet we live on -- I guarantee you that cancer and so many other diseases would virtually cease to exist.

Humanity needs to start looking within, and stop looking outside for solutions to their existance (i.e., organized religion).

[edit on 11/3/2008 by pjslug]




posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 07:45 PM
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I would love for this to be true but sadly my Mom passed away 3 years ago from Cancer. I would hate to know the cure was just waiting for someone to act and make it available.

If anyone ever holds back medication or cures to deathly disease and it can be proven, they should be tortured and shot by firing squad. I do not care if a cure would cause complete financial collapse of the entire world a cancer cure should never be hidden, delayed or bought out.

This would be a crime against humanity IMO. Ted Kennedy has that tumor so I suspect he would be into something like this as well as having the resources to make it happen or at least he would try it out as a possibility.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by woogleuk
Now the trick is,and the trick has been found and works, is to get those cells to re-find that self destruct ability, problem is, pharmecutical companies will lose money, so joe public will never find out about it, nuff said.
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This sounds crazy to me.
The first Company to offer a working cancer cure could make trilliions,
and even more if it would cost them only cents to produce it.
There are so much people with cancer wordlwide, even a hundreds of companies
could make a living of this ....
You surely dont count your money if you face death .....



[edit on 3-11-2008 by antibyte]



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 08:01 PM
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No, I don't think this is the cure.

THERE IS NO CURE FOR CANCER. At least not a universal cure.

That's right, no universal cure.


Cancer is caused by thousands of causes and each cause either splits or morphs every once in a while. Each has its own cure.

My dad is a cancer geneticist and he is researching gene therapy to cure cancer. He said that cancer is hard to treat because it is the same as the common cold, always changing, but deadlier.



I some how doubt the validity of this thread especially from a person who just joined ATS.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by Mozzy

Let's get this cure to Eddie Van halen asap! he got tongue cancer not too long ago and we don't wanna lose someone like that.

someone email him quick.

 


There's nothing funny about cancer...except the above response.

Seriously, this cancer treatment is oddly big news to be ignored. It's made its way into peer-reviewed journals, so it's not some pseudo-doc selling snake oil.


oh yea guy.. peer reviewed studies make things "real"

what if the "peers" involved would be put out of a job by the process being proposed for review ??
you think they're gonna say "hmmm 12 yrs of hard study and no social life... $200-300 k in loans.. my million $ house.. my 4 kids.. my trophy wife .. my yacht... hmmm.. good bye to them and review this ?

....naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah"

but peer reviews make things "reeeealll"


guess again buddy.

I know what you're TRYING to say.. but that kind of black white thinking regarding what makes it into our "reality" as "actual" is dangerously ignorant in my opinion.


also.. do you REALIZE that all the supporting industries tied into the cancer industries collectively make up 13% of our GDP?
pharma, radiology, hospice, mechanics, nanotech etc.. etc.. etc..

man.. you're gonna put it off on the surface as peer reviewed vs. complete quackery huh?
death & suffering = MASSIVE PROFIT.
got it? it's a cold hard world.
at least understand the facts before you flap off about how "yeah if not in peer review then not real"

a cure for cancer would cause a massive domino effect collapse in the medical and intertwined industries.
affecting all of us.

what better time than during a massive global financial crisis.. to whip out the cure(s) you've had up your sleeve all the while??


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[edit on 3-11-2008 by prevenge]



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by die_another_day

THERE IS NO CURE FOR CANCER. At least not a universal cure.
ATS.


Just tink of radiation caused cancer.....
ther can be no cure if you got exposed to deadly radiation levels ....
But i think there are some kinds of cancer that maybe can be healed naturaly.
And it shurely has to do with the imune system.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by Buck Division
This is clearly a HOAX, and a very cruel one.

I have watched this area for years, and there is always someone claiming a 100% cure, either a drug or some device, but this is all bogus. These people are predators of the worst sort. What they do is against the law, and they should be prosecuted harshly for it.


MMMM Why is it clearly a Hoax when its peer reviewed and has successful clinical outcomes?

How does listing a number of facts on our current understanding of Cancer in any way prove the opposite to the clinical work done by the named specialist in the OP's post.

Don't you think its CRUEL to debunk something you don't understand or have the academic ability to show results and evidence against the OP's Cause.

How does "watching This For Years" make you an expert, most people "Watch"the news each night and think they know something about the world and espouse, like us here most of the time, great understanding of topics with no real clue what's going on.

Do you have the opposite of the PEER reviewed articles ive just read from the OP's source, that over an hour on Google scholar for me has not been able to find an argument against or prove otherwise in any studies or research approaching this, EXCEPT by profit making organisations?

CRUELTY can be both ways, is your Carte Blanche statement in any way of any credence compared to:


it worked in 100% of 16 breast cancer patients and there were no recurrent tumors over a period of 4 years, says a report in the January 15 issue of the International Journal of Cancer. [International Journal Cancer.2008 January15; 122(2):461-7]

OP source.

??????

You might be watching but make sure your eyesight is good and you can read what you see first eh?


Kind Regards,

Elf

getting paid for that my freind?



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 08:36 PM
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It has been around all along its always been in nature. Drug companies can never make money off nature so it never got out in the open. You can heal many cancers simply and by forcing yourself to drink vegetable juices, herbal teas, certain herbs and raw food diet for as long as you can to get rid of it and then maintain a raw food diet for it to not come back(people dont do this because they like quick fixes). A cancer growth is like mole it can be controlled if you stop putting crap in and on your body and cleanse it.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 08:44 PM
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I can hardly believe that several recent posts have been so critical of this thread. We're exploring one potential pathway to a cure for at least some types of cancer, here. This appears to be at least somewhat legitimate and even if it doesn't lead to one supreme cure for everey type of cancer known, at least it could prove to be a step in the right direction. Threads like this bring hope and optimism to an aspect of life that knows those virtues all too rarely.

Someone pointed out that cancer is the second most misdiagnosed disease today. That only proves its prevalence. If so many didn't fear it, would it be so worriesome? If it wasn't so perpetually possible, would it be so perpetually at the forefront of what doctors don't want to find and patients don't ever want to hear? The reason it's so often misdiagosed is because it's so commonly feared, by patients and their doctors alike. It's one of the first things people tend to think when they notice anything 'wierd' going on. Cancer is a panic state, plain and simple.

This thread is important! That's why I starred and flagged it. It doesn't claim to be the ultimate cure for anything. But sometimes it's nice to learn more about topics of relevance, rather than the economy (Which can simply be described as obvious....no 'experts' required), or the US elections-(no opinion added). I sincerely hope this proves to be something of value to us as a species. We need a little hope these days.

And the fact that as I write this, this thread has recieved 68 replies and 78 flags, tells me that a lot of other readers feel the same way that I do. If you really don't want to post on this topic, then don't. But please don't derail this thread with moronic insults and unbacked cynicism that leave nobody any better off for reading. We're exploring positive possibilities here. And some of us are genuinely interested and want to learn more.



[edit on 11/3/2008 by Static Sky]



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 08:45 PM
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Vioxx was an anti inflammitory drug taken off the market because of potential gastric and cardiovascular issues.
There are alot of things put into use that get passed by the FDA without full testing into potential side effects.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 08:46 PM
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yes kick the immune system into high gear.
you might get rid if cancer

but then die of a severe auto immune disease.

This is how they treat HIV/AIDS by boosting the immune system.
and a number of the people with AIDs get a auto immune disease called castleman's disease.
findarticles.com...
www.eatg.org... -cancer

HAART treatment rebuilds the autoimmune system in AIDs victims
but those with the HHV-8 virus the immune system goes into a autoimmune state.
This causes castleman's disease and most die not from AIDS but from castleman's disease caused by the AIDS treatment within 24 to 36 months.

there is a very fine line between a under active immune system and autoimmune disorder.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by MischeviousElf

Originally posted by Buck Division
This is clearly a HOAX, and a very cruel one.


You might be watching but make sure your eyesight is good and you can read what you see first eh?
getting paid for that my freind?


You are way of of line the Elf. Check back in one year and see if you have changed your mind. If this "new cure" has changed the world, I will stand corrected.

Not only is this definitely a hoax, but you yourself have been taken in by it.

And you are being rude. But that is okay. I expect that from ATS, from time to time.

Good luck to you.


[edit on 3-11-2008 by Buck Division]



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by antibyte

But there are alot of assh*** who try to get money from
those who already got their death ticket by telling them there are
unknown and suppressed alternatives for healing them.

I am sure there are alternative ways out, but i wish everyone abusing
this to make money the worst i can think of.



Um, maybe you can tell us who is making money off of this discovery?

How many dollars have already been spent on treatments that medical science knows do little good but yet make huge amounts of money on them anyways?

Only reason natural and alternative methods are not more prevelant is because no one will fund research of them because they are not are patentable. Research for a drug or compound can reach well over $100 million before being accepted by the FDA. Once the research is out, you have copycats abound making it nearlyimpossible to recoup your investment.

The current healthcare system is all about profit. We won't have adecent system until the profit is removed from healthcare. This doesn't mean that healthcare professionals don't make a great living or that researchers don't get huge rewards upon great discoveries. It only means that these folks end up working for you instead of working to create billions in profits. How a supposedly Christian nation ever ended up in the siuation it now faces on healthcare is beyond me. You are all fakes if you ask me.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 09:06 PM
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Has this been replicated?

I am going to reserve my opinion for now. Scientists sometimes falsify data to satisfy demands from funding sources etc.

For example: Woo Suk Hwang fabricated results, claiming to be successful in obtaining human embryonic stem cells through cloning.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by Buck Division

Originally posted by MischeviousElf

Originally posted by Buck Division
This is clearly a HOAX, and a very cruel one.


You might be watching but make sure your eyesight is good and you can read what you see first eh?
getting paid for that my freind?


You are way of of line the Elf. Check back in one year and see if you have changed your mind. If this "new cure" has changed the world, I will stand corrected.

Not only is this definitely a hoax, but you yourself have been taken in by it.

And you are being rude. But that is okay. I expect that from ATS, from time to time.

Good luck to you.


Show me where i am being rude?

or so you take my response to your post as such.

Where is your opposite peer reviewed scientific studies as the Ops to base you claim on?

Are all people at ATS rude then, that's what you expect?
Your ego is pricked so attack everyone else?

You Included?

You are offended personally because I challenged your Egotistical response to the OP story with no understanding or checking of the facts first < like most Sceptics, I feel and want to say this etc, WITHOUT looking at the Science and facts first.

Like said I spent !hour or more looking to debunk this without posting first, did you?

Obviously not.

Cruelty is denying the hope that may be present, and would be held down by big business and government as there is no $ in it, and Armchair commentators who have not bothered to actually read the papers or understand them.

What is the position of strength you come from to call this a Hoax with no evidence of your own contrary to the OP, and my regur gatation of some of it above?

These are serious matters, and reported in serious and very accepted academic journals.

Where's yours?

HOT AIR!

Why wait a year if you took the time to read the links and peer reviews as I did you would see there is a large body of evidence already.

Want to see it on CNN?

Well even if its 100% true and effective unless monsanta or such like, can make it in a field or make $ of it you wont unfortunately.

Do you think those 16 people on my quote above have a year to wait?

Do you suppose they had the cancer last week, on Monday they accepted the injection and are OK today?

Having done care work I know the reality of this, and what it really means to those going through this.

Don't debunk what you don't understand, could save many peoples lives from a position of Ego and not science and understanding , when the science is offered to you.

Though it is not less important this is not UFO pictures my friend.

Cmon as said go to Specsavers.

Nothing personal I generally like your posts, I think most know Now I give little Elf slaps once in a while and it is not personal, just debating and DENY IGNORANCE.

Maybe I shouldn't have accused you of being paid and for that I apoligise it was a knee jerk reaction to the same tactics such people sometimes use.

Elf.

[edit on 3-11-2008 by MischeviousElf]



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 09:19 PM
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Nice article, I have always feared cancer.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity


You are all fakes if you ask me.


Who is all fakes? The people who want a cure or the people researching a cure? The people who are skeptical of the post that started this thread or the people who state what seems obvious that medicine hasn't given us a cure, nor really has alt medicine. Enlighten me please to who/what is fake.
And when you ask how a 'christian nation' could be in this mess, I would ask you...is there a nation that isn't? I see no cures of anything coming out of any nation really. Am I missing something there too? This isn't an 'American problem' this is a world problem. Noone has the answers that I can see.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 09:26 PM
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just finished the first page of this thread so if some one has posted this info already, i apologize and a mod can surely delete this post...but i came across this site a while back when i found out my grandmother has lung cancer almost 8 months ago. seems pretty interesting...haven't gone too much beyond surface research into it...but it does seem promising...



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 09:28 PM
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OK lets get real here.

EVERY READER NOW READING THIS HAS MANY MANY CANCER CELLS IN THEIR BODIES.

Not one exception

All of us.

Our bodies automatically defend and kill them off, and don't allow them to reproduce in any great numbers.

Even if they do reproduce and start growing en masse normally our amazing immune system still takes those groups of cancer cells and gets rid of them.

WE ALL HAVE CANCER ALL THE TIME.

No debate.

No real scientific journal will ever show anything else.

This treatment is proven to increase the actual natural body response to such cancer cells and group of cells.

How can it be debunked or bad?

No radiation or side effects, in essence its like tuning a car, we get better natural immune response to cancer.

Which in turn stops them from growing into the Masses and tumours we know as the issue when Diagnosed with "Cancer".

You don't really get Cancer , its just that your immune system stops being so good at keeping it at bay, or from spreading or growing.

The above is very very simplified, and not all emcompasing, for environmental factors, stress, and genetics etc etc ad infinitum, but the main thrust of our bodies and Cancer is as above. Before im jumped on with quote after quote, just putting this promising work in perspective.

It looks good!

Lets hope and ray this is so as 1 in three reading this at the current time with current stats will get cancer at some time in their lives!

Praying it is as good as the trails and clinical experiments to date yes?

Elf.

[edit on 3-11-2008 by MischeviousElf]



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 09:29 PM
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I hear you, infolurker. It scares the hell out of me, to be honest. I've had friends who've lost cousins, aunts, uncles, etc to cancer who never smoked. Never did the things you're supposed to avoid. Still got cancer. Still died. I'm a smoker and I'm aware of the likely outcome of that. Not everyone is so lucky.

What of those who develope cancer without 'earning' it? Sometimes kids are born with it. What did they do? Our entire species is better off for anything that takes us even a little closer to a cure. As for those who stand to lose untold wealth due to it being cured....cancer is one of many. There are always fields where any half decent researcher is needed. Especially one who "worked on a team who actually did contribute to solving the plague of their field". (ie; a resaercher with a proven track record of top results). This is just another arguement I refuse to buy.

Anyways, thanks for the encouraging words. Be well.






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