First...This is Cap and Trade and BOTH McCain and Obama support it.

Second...From Black Lung Disease to Greenhouse gasses to Strip Mining to literally shaving the tops off of mountains etc. etc. Coal is a horrific way to create energy.

Third...He is talking about the Future and also acknowledges a transition is neccessary from coal to clean coal technology and ideally to renewable energy.

"Obama has argued for a robust funding program for carbon capture and sequestration. It’s strikingly similar to what McCain has said (in fact McCain goes a step further saying he wants to transition completely away from coal).”

BOTH McCain and Obama agree a transition is neccessary and that YES one day in the FUTURE it will be too expensive relative to renewable energy to build new coal powered power plants.

This is a good thing.

Obama is NOT GOING TO BANKRUPT THE COAL INDUSTRY RIGHT AWAY...EITHER IS JOHN MCCAIN THOUGH THEY SHARE THE SAME PLAN!

BOTH of them will put the cap and trade program in place to GRADUALLY move us away from a dependance on coal toward cleaner, renewable energies...THANK GOD!

It's like progress and technological advancement are a bad thing!

PA, KY, VA, TN etc....they have generations of families that have died in this industry.

He doesn't want to bankrupt coal companies, he wants to push the companies to use cleaner technology. Clean coal is possible, so why are we so hesitant to use it? Look how LAZY and apathetic people are! We can solve world hunger, cure diseases than run rampant in many parts of the world, and solve the homeless problem... why don't we? "Well, it's not MY problem" seems to be a favorite. The coal companies pull the same crap. We all need a serious kick in the butts to actually care about the world we live in, let alone the people in it.

Wow. If I wanted to see stuff like this, then I'd just watch commercials. More twisted, out-of-context crap to confuse people at the last minute. "I want this to be an anti-Obama message, so I'll twist it to mean what I want it to mean!"

“So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted. That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel, and other alternative energy approaches.

Doesn't the above statement contradict itself?

Somebody builds a coal-powered plant.... They get charged a huge sum of money. They CANNOT pay that HUGE sum of money, so they go bankrupt.
If this is what actually happens, how will it ever generate any money if the company is bankrupt?

So where exactly is the money going to come from to invest in solar wind etc. If all of these companies go bankrupt?

So, is Obama going to build more nuclear plants? Is he going to put a wind generator on every city block? Build more hydroelectric dams to displace more people and eradicate the wildlife behind them? How about destroy CRP land, forests, and natural areas so farmers can grow more corn for ethanol?

That is what infuriates me. He talks only of taxing, destroying industry, and spending and redistributing the wealth. He doesn't talk about the solutions to the problems all this "change" would create. And, people are getting ready to elect this idiot?

Finally something I and Obama actually agree on! Kudos to him for believing in a hard line policy to force change that helps the environment instead of helping to line peoples pockets. It's about time the USA towed the line on carbon emissions! However, having said that, I hope he has viable solutions.

IRM

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Coal is so 20th century, like John McCain.

Now I am not saying Obama is really going to do something about America's energy policy, but coal is so old-fashioned that it is a shame Western countries still use it.

Nuclear-fusion is the feature. In France a nuclear fusion plant is currently being build (ITER)

The technical requirements to do this, which scientists have spent decades developing, are immense. But the rewards, if Iter can be made to work successfully, are extremely attractive.

One kilogram of fusion fuel would produce the same amount of energy as 10,000,000 kg of fossil fuel.

Fusion does produce radioactive waste but not the volumes of long-term high-level radiotoxic materials that have so burdened nuclear fission.

Although it's not yet certain nuclear-fusion will succeed, it does offer a viable alternative to our energy dependence and polluting habits - the first non-experimental reactor should be build in 2040-2050. Until then, nuclear power plants can do the job.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
Wow, even more Republican Propaganda.

Notice how there's no dirty fighting from the other side?

That's because one party knows how to act like adults and allow people to think for themselves, and the other try everything they can to warp opinion, including outright lies, misinformation and propaganda.

I'm not even American, I have no vote in this, but I am already embarrassed for the Republicans. How do average Americans cope with all this BS being thrown at them to try to force people to vote their way!?
Leave people to make an educated decision, instead of telling them what they should do!

Now I really do believe the stories about McCain supporters trying to con people at the voting stations.

Shameful, truly shameful.

STOP TROLLING. This isn't even a response to the article, it's only political baiting. You didn't even mention the topic of the thread. Why don't you do us all a favor and try to enjoy a scratch n sniff sticker at the bottom of a pool.

I quoted the whole thing on purpose because I didn't want to leave out one word that proves my point.

Originally posted by BluegrassRevolutionary
Quite frankly, I think that his middle class supporters are so politically and economically ignorant, that McCain could say "Obama wants to take money from the rich and give it to you", and they would still boo the idea. It boggles the mind really.

Wow it boggles your mind that middle class people could be so "ignorant" as to turn down stolen money? Interesting. I guess if you found a wallet packed with cash you'd just keep it without a second thought.

No one denies that wealth redistribution would benefit some middle class (a term that has a subjective meaning anyway) people at least in the short term. However, even those who would benefit balk at the idea because it is morally wrong to accept what is stolen from someone else to better one's own life. It's no different than accepting a stolen diamond ring as a gift or a stolen tv that you could never otherwise afford. Sure, it improves your standard of living but it's wrong.

The fact that "middle class Republicans" would turn down money that they didn't have to earn shows that they have a more stolid moral fiber than any would-be Robin Hood. That's not ignorance; that's character.

All these people for Obama?,what are you going to think when he shuts down towns by bankrupting all their source of jobs and revenue,then thank him for tripling your energy costs,wow he seems like a cool guy

I hate to burst anyones bubble here but Calpine built a fleet of the most efficient gas fired turbines in the country and guess what they went BK when nat gas went so high they couldn't make money. But maybe that was the plan all along, you run up the debt real high go BK wipe out all the share holders all the while you short your own stock that ran up way to high but you knew that. So you make a killing the whole way up, then down plus you go BK, start fresh and your stock takes off because when you come back from BK you have no debt dragging you down. I guess the problem with us sheeple is that we think going BK is bad and we avoid it all cost. Big business uses BK as a business tool. Yeah keep thinking this isn't all planned. And for the bunch on here that think wind turbines will save us, well they won't. We have already put as many as you can in the major wind producing areas. Not saying we can't improve them but this is not new tech and what do you do when the wind doesn't blow. I doubt any major electric company would ever include wind in base load capacity. There are truly better ideas out there but everyone tends to just focus on the MSM rhetoric. Yeah Boone pickens think it great so it must be, no he just has a major stake in all that he supports. Anyone here of using Algae to make bio fuel, plus you can eat it. There are people out there trying to amke things better but it is not the people you see on TV. The people on TV are trying to take your money not help you. Just be a good consumer and grow, consume, create, build, and consume some more.

Here is my solution, stop consuming!

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