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reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 06:28 PM by Rockpuck

reply to post by jd140

Which in other countries the V sign for peace meant F You and eventually someone corrected his cultural ignorance..

But did he really mean to flip off most of the third world? No, he did not, he was just a nincompoop.

Does Georgy intentionally make "the devil sign" no .. this is his awkward way of "connecting" to "joe sixpack"

RuneSpider

I like Mr. Billy... he makes me smile.

reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 08:37 PM by Sandalfon

Originally posted by oswald roswell
no.

here is a free clue: sinister secret societies like to remain secret. this means not flashing around super-seKret symbols or doing secret handshakes or doing secret mystical dances in front of large crowds full of cameras and reporters.

About the wisest observation I've read on here in a long time. Oswald absolutely gets it. The theory of "hiding in plain sight" doesn't mean you occasionally break through the fourth wall* and flash a secret sign to your brethren. Members of significant secret societies (both those which are benign and with which I am experienced) and those who are up to something sinister (with which I am not experienced) don't need to be reaffirmed by public gestures, (i.e. "here's a shout out to all m' peeps in the secret society.") and they certainly don't expose themselves to possible discovery by eagle-eyed conspiracy watchers.

* The term "fourth wall" stems from the absence of a fourth wall on a three-walled set where the audience is viewing the production. The audience is supposed to assume there is a "fourth wall" present, even though it physically is not there. This is widely noticeable on various television programs, such as situational comedies, but the term originated in theatre, where conventional three-walled stage sets provide a more obvious "fourth wall". (Wikipedia definition)

reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 11:25 PM by DocMoreau

reply to post by SonicInfinity

I don't know if the images of Obama are Masonic or not. But I do know that the first three are on the same 'occasion', with the middle two images being the exact same image cropped and flipped.

It looks to me that on two separate occasions, that Obama was using the hand sign for 'I Love You' in sign language.

Then again, I have seen the numerous images of President Bush throwing devil horns, so anything is possible I guess.

I just thought that it would take longer than an hour after Obama was announced as President Elect before the outlandish claims about his masonic links started...
DocMoreau

reply posted on 4-11-2008 @ 11:34 PM by JoshNorton

Originally posted by DocMoreau
I just thought that it would take longer than an hour after Obama was announced as President Elect before the outlandish claims about his masonic links started...

To be fair, those outlandish claims started here in February 2007, 21 months before his victory. At least there are some forward thinking nut jobs here...

reply posted on 6-11-2008 @ 08:24 AM by checkmate

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We all know that bush is a skull man. why would the new presz be any different.

reply posted on 6-11-2008 @ 11:44 AM by JoshNorton

Originally posted by checkmate
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We all know that bush is a skull man. why would the new presz be any different.

Uh, because he didn't go to Yale?

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reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 02:54 AM by NobodiesClone63

Isn't bar from Hawaii? Isn't that the "hang loose" symbol or something? Not everything has to do with Masonry people. The symbol has various meanings.
Now when we see him throwing up the horns and headbanging to Metallica.. that's when we should start to worry.

reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 03:11 AM by RuneSpider

reply to post by NobodiesClone63

Actually... That'd be pretty dang cool.
Ok, from a National standpoint, maybe a bad idea. But the president rocking to Metallica? Sweet.

reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 03:18 AM by The Stand

Originally posted by Deaf Alien
reply to post by ElectricUncleSam

The "I love you" sign is a combination of I, L, and Y letter signs.

Look at my avatar I drew. Maybe I am a mason?

Maybe you are a moron! It was first introduced by Helen Keller, a known occultist.

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reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 03:39 AM by Deaf Alien

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Maybe you are a moron! It was first introduced by Helen Keller, a known occultist.

I am deaf so maybe I know a little more than you?
You need to back up your claim.
Does the ILY sign means "I love you, Devil" or just a sign for the devil?
Do the deaf or any hearing people who flash the ILY sign today really mean "Hail Devil!"?

reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 03:40 AM by RuneSpider

reply to post by The Stand

Known by who, exactly?

Let's see... I'm going to be quick here 'cause I'm up later than I should be here... but:

So, I find a few sites claiming Keller as a Satanist for her following Emanuel Swedenborg. Fellow sounds likes a regular nut to me, maybe something happened to his mind when he got old, but something definitely wrong there.
But, let's look at his principles, before I get to hasty:

Swedenborg also rejected the doctrine of salvation through faith alone, since he considered both faith and charity necessary for salvation, not one without the other. The purpose of faith, according to Swedenborg, is to lead a person to a life according to the truths of faith, which is charity.

Oh, that's pretty good actually. What did folks have trouble with?

Swedenborg explicitly rejected the common explanation of the Trinity as a Trinity of Persons, which he said was not taught in the early Christian Church. Instead he explained in his theological writings how the Divine Trinity exists in One Person, in One God, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ah. Yeah. Had his own view on who Jesus is and what he represents. Yep, thatcher do it.
After all... any other views aside from the majority are the work of Satan.

I'd hardly call him Satanic. He may have had a few screws loose, but his ideas of Faith and Charity are pretty solid. To many folks use it as a excuse to not do anything for others it seems.

No, let's take a look at Helen Keller's life.

A prolific author, Keller was well traveled, and was outspoken in her opposition to war. She campaigned for women's suffrage, workers' rights and socialism, as well as many other progressive causes.

How Evil!

But, tell you what, let's let Ms. Keller more or less speak for herself:

"Since my seventeenth year, I have tried to live according to the teachings of Emanuel Swedenborg. By 'church' he did not mean an ecclesiastical organization, but a spiritual fellowship of thoughtful men and women who spend their lives for a service to mankind that outlasts them. He called it a civilization that was to be born of a healthy, universal religion—goodwill, mutual understanding, service from each to all, regardless of dogma or ritual."

Hm... People working together for the benefit of people, trying to leave a positive impact on the world. How satanic.
I'll get back to you in... oh... five or so hours. Ouch.

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reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 03:53 AM by KMFNWO

My interest with some of the things our politicians are doing of late is this. The Carl Roves of the world know that the whole system is under some serious scrutiny right now (literally everything they do is under the microscope). That being the case, maybe its not such a swell idea to give a speech in Berlin from one of Hitlers favorite monuments. Maybe being in Virginia during the purported Bilderberg meeting is not too swift a move (let alone flying your press corp. out of your purvue during the event against their wishes, for some "Private time"). And perhaps we might want to be careful what signs we throw down as to avoid any misinterpretation. Just a thought.

These guys are surrounded by advisors who, I have to believe have the pulse (gun sales are skyrocketing) and you would think they would be watching out for these things, wouldn't you?

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reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 04:01 AM by Truther

The "El Diablo" hand sign often is con-fused with the deaf hand signal of the phrase, "I love you." While at first this appears an odd resemblance, we register an "ahh, I get it!" emotion when we discover that the person who invented, or created, the hand sign system for the deaf, Helen Keller, was herself an occultist and Theosophist. Did Keller purposely design the deaf's "I love you" sign to be such a remarkable imitation of the classic sign of Satan? Was Keller saying, basically, "I love you, Devil?"

"She invented over 60 different signs by which she could talk to her family before the age of seven. For example, if she wanted ice cream she would wrap her arms around herself and pretend to shiver."

www.jesus-is-savior.com...

reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 04:52 AM by Merriman Weir

That would be great if Keller actually invented the ASL alphabet. However, sadly for your post, she didn't.

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reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 06:37 AM by Merriman Weir

There's some weird thinking in this thread, that can only be interpreted as an arrogance or Americentrism.

Why would a Masonic society - which is alleged to be united internationally with their 'devilish' and 'Satanic' plotting - actually use a gloss that isn't internationally understood?

That this thread has got so desperate as claiming that Helen Keller

invented, or created, the hand sign system for the deaf

is genuinely pitiful in its attempt to manufacture and corroborate a conspiracy. What, were D/deaf people all over the world just waiting for this 'evil occultist' to come along and give them the power of communication? I don't expect people to be 'experts' in any given field to be able to comment on a topic, but stuff like this, which is so easy to dismiss factually once the blinkers come off with just a tiny bit of research, should be a given.

I thought this site was about denying ignorance, not perpetuating it?

reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 04:29 PM by RuneSpider

reply to post by Merriman Weir

To kind of add to what you're saying...

en.wikipedia.org...

Galludet University. Founded in 1864 for teaching the deaf.
Helen Keller was not born until 1880, well after the university was established, she certainly didn't create it.
Ms. Keller was taught by Anne Sullivan Macy. Ms. Macy taught Ms. Keller to "write" letters on someone's palm with her fingers.

Helen Keller never learned what today we know as American Sign Language. She simply finger-spelled letters, words, and phrases into the person's hands that she was communicating with. She did learn to speak, although she was not very easy to understand if you were not use to hearing her.

www.afb.org...

So... Ms. Keller really had nothing to do with sign language. She was a impressive lady regardless. She overcame being deaf and blind and made a fair impact towards the perceptions of people with disabilities and was very active in women's rights.
Keep in mind to, if she was BLIND, how would signing help her?

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