I guess both Bush and Hillary and Obama are fans of the Texas Long Horns

ok, why cant we just accept the fact that Obama loves us ALL!

Originally posted by ElectricUncleSam

Originally posted by cognoscente
You haven't been to an ACDC concert? That's the goat, man! Rock on.

What is it I've heard said about rock and roll music? That it's the music of the devil? Which would make sense why they flash that sign all over... Unless they are just really happy rock n roll bands saying they love everyone...

Interesting. Maybe ACDC is Masonic as well.

[edit on 3-11-2008 by cognoscente]

Originally posted by Z.S.P.V.G.
... but also supposedly means 'Lucifer' in masonry...

Hmmm. Specific assertion, though a little light on tradition or reason.

Let's zero in a little here. I'm troubled by the word "supposedly" which is a bit of a weasel word. (i.e. "supposedly" according to whom?)

In observing the reaction, it seems like the Masons on here are a bit flummoxed by your assertion that "supposedly it means Lucifer in Masonry" -- meaning they've never heard it or seen it and are trying to understand where / when / why / how this "sign" means "Lucifer" in Masonry and/or how you come to make that assertion.

Can you cite a source, or is this just your opinion or perhaps something you've heard? (i.e. a rumor or an unsubstantiated opinion)

Please enlighten us on how the sign comes to mean Lucifer in Masonry. (Eg. -- you've seen it used at your own lodge; your coven uses it in this way; your grandfather, a Mason, told you it was the case; you saw Marilyn Manson do it at a concert; it just "seems" like it should mean Lucifer, etc.)

Do tell.

[edit on 11/3/0808 by Sandalfon]

Originally posted by Z.S.P.V.G.
means 'love' in sign language yes, but also supposedly means 'Lucifer' in masonry. sometimes when i wave my hand naturally goes into this position. to me it means 'i love lucifer' or 'hail lucifer.'

I don't know sign language, but I do know freemasonry. This doesn't mean anything in freemasonry and never has. It certainty doesn't mean "Lucifer" since "Lucifer" is not something freemasonry concerns itself with in its degrees. It would be like asking where the symbol for canned tuna is - there is none.

One thing that always find puzzling is how people believe freemasonry has all these signs and symbols for things that the fraternity never addresses nor cares about. I mean, to make it believable, I would presume that people would at least find a real symbol or find a real subject that freemasonry addresses in its degrees.

Bush is simply showing his "Texas Long Horns" spirit... His wife & daughters throw this sign around as well...

Obama is saying "I love you"

And the European leaders are most likely just warding off the "evil eye".

I love a good conspiracy just as much as the next guy...but this one ended up in dead end for me.

Except of course - the picture of Obama making a shadow puppet with his hand...people were sure he was saying "SATAN ROCKS". hehe

How about when Nixon use to throw up the two victory signs V V? If you put two V's together they form a W. Was he really giving us a sign that George W Bush would be a president for two terms? I say two because he used two hands to form the W

I think Im on to something. With Obama flashing that sign he is really showing that he is a fan of Bush. If you look at the sign it looks like a W.

[edit on 3-11-2008 by jd140]

no.

it isn't a "secret masonic symbol" when obama does it. or mccain. or bush. or clinton. or anybody else.

there are secret societies that have substantial political pull. the masons ain't one of 'em. nobody outside of screwballs who weren't allowed to join the masons and the masons themselves give a damn about what the masons do. at least the latter are having fun throwing bbqs and giving money to charity and whatnot. the former are just creepy.

here is a free clue: sinister secret societies like to remain secret. this means not flashing around super-seKret symbols or doing secret handshakes or doing secret mystical dances in front of large crowds full of cameras and reporters.

rock on, you crazy diamonds.

Still kinda waiting for a reply from the OP and others on their expert identification here.
Seriously, on what basis are hand shakes being judged, and who decides they are Masonic?
I've seen some YouTube videos, but that's about as far as I've seen.
Those are usually filled with someone's opinions, not anything verifiable or why exactly they Identify them as Masonic, illuminati, Oddfellow, or pastafarian.

Originally posted by RuneSpider
Still kinda waiting for a reply from the OP and others on their expert identification here.

I think you're going to be in for a very long wait.

As I said in an earlier post, I can imagine if someone was desperate enough they could try taking the Templar and Baphomet theory and taking the conspiracy that these devil-worshipping Templars and then, using the theory that the Masons' origins actually lie in the Templars and therefore modern day Masons are actually 21st Century devil-worshipping Templars.

However, I'd like to see some pretty solid evidence to support this. As well as proof as to why the sign specifically refers to the idea of some Masonic meaning as to opposed to a general 'rock on' or 'I love you'.

Incidentally, although I've seen the American gloss for 'I love you' used here in Britain, it's not common usage and is a fairly recent adoption, in the same way that a lot of spoken American slang is a fairly recent import. If it's being suggested that it's not coincidental that an allegedly Masonic symbol is the same as 'I love you' as in 'I love the devil' or something, the fact that sign language differs internationally kind of undermines this.