Are these images of Obama masonic?, page 1
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reply posted on 3-11-2008 @ 01:58 AM by cognoscente
You haven't been to an ACDC concert? That's the goat, man! Rock on.



reply posted on 3-11-2008 @ 01:59 AM by ElectricUncleSam
reply to post by SonicInfinity




Considering the fact that I believe you should at all times remain open minded even if you have a favorite candidate, I would say good find... It appears like he is flashing the symbol we've come to question so much over the years... I'm no expert, but I would not be surprised... The government has been run by the elites since it was created and everyone who has ever been in office has been part of the club in one form or another... kudos...


reply posted on 3-11-2008 @ 02:01 AM by ll__raine__ll
Originally posted by Deaf Alien
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post by SonicInfinity



It simply means "I love you" in sign language


so it does - very cool.
learn something new everyday.


reply posted on 3-11-2008 @ 02:13 AM by ElectricUncleSam
Originally posted by Deaf Alien
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post by SonicInfinity



It simply means "I love you" in sign language


Yes you are right, but check this out... The origins of the original signs of sign language are unknown.... this means, they don't know why the symbol means what it does, it just does... which means it's possible the love sign could still be the masonic symbol and not so cut and dry as you might think...

Here is an article I found on the history of sign language... Granted it's not that professional and I have not double checked any of the claims, but it's a good start... If you want to dive in further please do...

History Of Sign Language

Signs usually represents ideas and not single words. Many signs are iconic, that is, they use a visual image for signing the idea. Most clearly falling into this category are animals, for example, deer (the antlers), elephant (the trunk), donkey (the ears), and the goat (the beard and horns). Signs are also represented by actions, such as the following: milk, coffee, love, grow. Other signs are arbitrary and although the originators may have reasons for forming or moving a sign in a particular way these reasons are unknown today. It is interesting to note that many of the older signs have remained as originally created even though the connection to the origin no longer exists.




reply posted on 3-11-2008 @ 02:19 AM by RuneSpider
reply to post by SonicInfinity



I'm mildly curios here:
On what basis are you assuming these hand signs are Masonic?
What is your experience with masons, that would lead you to this conclusion?


reply posted on 3-11-2008 @ 02:25 AM by enduser
i think in metal music etc the sign is meant to go this way




ps. i apologise for the use of the above site, that was the first one to appear with the metal bands hand gestures
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The sign of the horns, also corna (Italian for horns, mano cornuta, horned hand fare le corna, to make the horns, or simply the devil horns) is a hand gesture with a vulgar meaning in Mediterranean countries and a variety of meanings and uses in other cultures.[citation needed] Its origins can be traced to Ancient Greece, and in Ancient Rome it was known as Vorena the Elder's gesture, and symbolized a curse....
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Superstition
When confronted with unfortunate events, or just when these are mentioned or suggested, a person wanting to avoid that fate could resort to the sign of the horns to ward off bad luck. It is a more vulgar equivalent of knocking on wood....

Satanism
Anton LaVey popularized it as a Satanic salute in the 1960s. His image was often in the press, and the sign appears on many of his photos, such as on the back of the Satanic Bible.Source - The Mano Cornuto


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reply posted on 3-11-2008 @ 02:30 AM by Deaf Alien
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The "I love you" sign is a combination of I, L, and Y letter signs.


Look at my avatar I drew. Maybe I am a mason?


reply posted on 3-11-2008 @ 02:53 AM by SonicInfinity
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I see. So when the thumb is extended, it means "love", but when the thumb is touching the middle and ring fingers, it's a masonic symbol? I'd still like to know the context these pictures were taken in, though.


reply posted on 3-11-2008 @ 03:05 AM by RuneSpider
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No... when the thumb is tucked in it's a symbol of rock music.

Again why do you believe this hand sign to Masonic, and what do you judge it on?


reply posted on 3-11-2008 @ 03:24 AM by NationAstray
Thought this pertained to the subject. Seems not just Obama is doing it.




Or is it more like the "terrorist" fist bump? I think you people are reading a little too much into this.

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reply posted on 3-11-2008 @ 03:27 AM by anonamousantichrist
Originally posted by RuneSpider
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No... when the thumb is tucked in it's a symbol of rock music.

Again why do you believe this hand sign to Masonic, and what do you judge it on?


What he is doing with his hands is close to a hand gesture use by several groups that may or may not include masons.

Some groups ues the gesture to symbolize the Goat of Mendes or Baphomet.

The Romans used the gesture mano cornuto to ward off the evil eye.


reply posted on 3-11-2008 @ 04:58 AM by Merriman Weir
Originally posted by ElectricUncleSam
Yes you are right, but check this out... The origins of the original signs of sign language are unknown.... this means, they don't know why the symbol means what it does, it just does... which means it's possible the love sign could still be the masonic symbol and not so cut and dry as you might think...

Here is an article I found on the history of sign language... Granted it's not that professional and I have not double checked any of the claims, but it's a good start... If you want to dive in further please do...

History Of Sign Language

Signs usually represents ideas and not single words. Many signs are iconic, that is, they use a visual image for signing the idea. Most clearly falling into this category are animals, for example, deer (the antlers), elephant (the trunk), donkey (the ears), and the goat (the beard and horns). Signs are also represented by actions, such as the following: milk, coffee, love, grow. Other signs are arbitrary and although the originators may have reasons for forming or moving a sign in a particular way these reasons are unknown today. It is interesting to note that many of the older signs have remained as originally created even though the connection to the origin no longer exists.



I'm not the only person on this website who will either use sign language as their first or second language. No offence, but you're making a pretty desperate argument here. There is obvious iconic motivation in many signs, but suggesting the seemingly arbitrary nature of other signs might possibly hide something a bit sinister is quite selective.

I mean, are you equally concerned about arbitrariness in English? If so, I'd steer clear of the likes of Saussure and semiotics/semiology in general as you might never sleep again.

How conscious are you of logograms and phonograms on English letter forms or the precise developmental path of some pictograms?

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