Why I'm afraid Obama has already won

I don't mean to be an alarmist, but this is the way I have seen things going in this election, and why I fear that our President has already been selected, and therefore why I don't have a vote.

Obama has already won... trust me on this... our votes don't count..

Obama was hand-picked years ago to win this election..

The neo-cons knew that America would not elect a Republican for this election, after being fed-up with 8 years of Bush..

McCain is a shill in this election.. the same way Kerry and Gore were shills in the last two elections.. And as for Palin... ha ha...

Ask yourself why all of these third party candidates are joining the race this late- who is funding them?

Welcome to the new America.. Experience what Democrats experienced in the last two elections..

This election will likely start a Civil War.. but justifiably so.. IF you are upset about seeing a Socialist being elected president of the United States...

Well my friend....SO AM I !!!!

No one, who would be running a real and serious bid for President, would ever elect someone like Sarah Palin..

Sarah Palin is a shill for the Democrats... Honestly, she is so horrible, it makes the Democrats say, "for God sakes, I may have considered voting McCain- but now..I'm voting for the clear choice". Unfortunately the clear choice is not clearly a good choice, but being that we live in a society where the term "no-brainer" has become common everday terminology.. that is the ignorance we must live with.

Ever wonder why the elections are never that close until the final hour... it's the 51-49 switch that the controllers throw.. they decide who wins.. This election it will be Obama.. I'm sad to say.. This is the propaganda the ones in charge use to control the election.

For example, let's say that there are several candidates with 1 and 2% of the popular vote.. then why isn't the final % something like 48 to 46... No.. They think we are too dumb, that we can't do the math... that why it's always 51 to 49.

Another thing... all of the hoopla over voter fraud... all just propaganda.. In the last two elections the voter fraud was all one-sided.. This election it is happening predominately on the side of the Democrats.. They are testing the will of the people..If we can put up with voter fraud, we can put up with whoever is elected President.. testing the minds of the populace.. I'm sad to say.

Let's look at the Democrat and Republican primaries..

Romney and Huckabee were way ahead of McCain in all of the poles. Then out of nowhere, both anounced their resignation from the race- what for? Didn't they have a right to be chosen by the American people as the best candidates for President?

Move months ahead to the Democratic National Convention... The final hour is down to two candidates, Clinton and Obama. Why did the Democracts, contrary to the Republicans, wait until the last minute to select the nomination for President... Was it really because they were looking for the best candidate... No !

The political move behind waiting until the DNC to select the nomination for the Democratic Party was to cause a lot of turmoil and confusion within the Democratic party- that is between Clinton and Obama supporters.. When the announcement was made that Obama would be the Democratic nominee, Clinton supporters were upset and disoriented (kinda like how all of America was right after 9/11).. The purpose of this was to give drop the proverbial bomb on Clinton supporters to the extent where they were so discombobulated, that the general consensus would be... Well, we lost, but we must still back our party... This was completely planned.. With this engineered tactic, people would willingly vote for Obama (for their party) without having time to recognize what was happening and without having time to really research the most important question - Who is Barack Obama??

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I'm sad to say that all of the current Obama supports all appear to just be sheeple who are voting out of disgust and anger for Bush, not because they did any coherent research about Obama.

Who have the media supported in the last two elections?.. George
Bush. Who is the media supporting in this election? Barack Obama..

The media is owned and operated by the elitists, and like I said
before, McCain is a shill for this election (in other words, Obama
needs someone to run against, just like Bush needed someone to run
against). However, McCain was not the best nomination.. They want to
make this election look like a landslide, so that the American people
will embrace the election results, when Obama is named the winner..
The reason why Palin was nominated as McCain's running mate was to
sway the public opinion towards the acceptance that an election
result for Obama would be legitimate , but there is NOTHING
legitimate about an election being decided for the American people..
look at the interview that Matt Damon gave to CBS news on his
opinions about Sarah Palin.. This was the worst kind of political
propaganda. They were essentially brainwashing Americans into
thinking, look here.. we have this actor who gratuated from Harvard..
he is smart.. you should listen to him so you can make the same smart
choice.. I was infuriated at this.. as I knew that this was the
proverbial "stick and carrot" ploy to get us to "not think" about the
election and give into the Obama ticket.. Well, Obama is the elitist
selection and for that I say - NO WAY!!

Democrats were incensed with the fact that there was all of this
negative history on Bush in the first election- all of which was
being ignored.. Now in this election we have arguably the worst
candidate EVER for president in Barack Obama.. He has the shadiest
history, yet the media will not report on any of it. Diebold the voting machine company recently admitted to wrongdoing during the last election..Does that mean that they will stop now- No.. just means that they are working for someone else now- effectively stating doen't expect the Republicans to win this election.

Backup to before the DNC, back in June of this year, when the
Bilderberg Meeting was held.. This is a group of the world's elite
who get together every year to decide their future deviant plans for
controlling the world. Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton were both
invited.. Where was John McCain? Why Hilary and Barack? Because
they, the elitists, wanted both candidates to understand and go along
with the game plan.. that Obama would be the nomination and the
future events that were to take place..

I will finish by saying.. There is a lot more I can say about Obama and his partnerships, his books written & published before anyone cared, and that his wife sits on the Council of Foreign Relations, etc. etc. but I'm only stating the facts as I feel we have all experienced over the last 8 years. ... AND if there is any justice in this country, I haven't made up my mind for sure but I think that I WILL be voting for John McCain, whether I like him or not (which I don't), mainly because I don't like anyone telling me my vote won't count..

Personally, I don't think it matters who will win. They all work for the same small group of elite individuals.

The idea that Obama or McCain represent the average American is simply not true.

Originally posted by NuclearPaul
Personally, I don't think it matters who will win. They all work for the same small group of elite individuals.

The idea that Obama or McCain represent the average American is simply not true.

You are absolutely correct...It is one party with two faces.. I guess I should have clarified that my real concern is that all democracy has been lost, officially going forward in all future elections. Not so much who will win- because the outcome will be the same- like you said.

Who cares its only the USA, not like your the whole Universe for goodness sake. Its a dog and pony show for everyone to feel like they are taking part in something important but sadly there are more than 2 candidates going for the top job but your media decides who gets the press coverage.

Obama isn't a Socialist, I do not even know why you are rambling on about that.

He isn't a leftist, he is more of a Centrist.

Originally posted by QuetzalcoatlAlien
Obama isn't a Socialist, I do not even know why you are rambling on about that.

He isn't a leftist, he is more of a Centrist.

en.wikipedia.org...

www.uscentrist.org...

www.marxists.org...

your defense for obama not being socialist in his political views by using the term "centrist" acctually reinforces the notion of his socialistic platform. Unless you are also wanting to state that the term "centrism" means something different then those that apply the term to politics.

Originally posted by QuetzalcoatlAlien
Obama isn't a Socialist, I do not even know why you are rambling on about that.

He isn't a leftist, he is more of a Centrist.

Well try googling "Global Poverty Act" and read his bill which he sponsored. Basically, it states that we will be paying a $845 Billion international tax over a span of 12 or 13 years. You thought the 700B bailout was bad.. This bill which passed the House and Senate, is waiting on Bush's signature, but Bush won't even sign it.. why should he? Once Obama gets into the Whitehouse, he will sign his own bill.. Some notable parts of the Bill include giving .7% of our GDP to 3rd world countries, such as in Africa to increase the daily living wage from $1 a day to $2 a day.. First off, who are we to go and destroy someone's livelihood.. This is the reciprocal of teaching a man to fish.. You are giving people money for 12 years and then taking it away.. That's assuming that the money makes it to the hands of the impoverished.. We all know that the money never makes it beyond the greedy, filthy hands of the dictators.. Obama's cousin is also involved in politics in Kenya, so I imagine he has something to gain from this.. Additionally, this bill will place America under U.N. rule, and allow the U.N. to take away our guns.. And you say he is not a Socialist... He yearns to be a dictator.. He will pickup where Bush left off.. that is why he is the elitist choice for President.

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Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress

Originally posted by QuetzalcoatlAlien
Obama isn't a Socialist, I do not even know why you are rambling on about that.

He isn't a leftist, he is more of a Centrist.

en.wikipedia.org...

www.uscentrist.org...

www.marxists.org...

your defense for obama not being socialist in his political views by using the term "centrist" acctually reinforces the notion of his socialistic platform. Unless you are also wanting to state that the term "centrism" means something different then those that apply the term to politics.

As "Centrist", I mean that he isn't right or left. His supposed actions of redistributing wealth is not Socialist, none of his policies are.

Something I'd also like to say is even if Obama WAS a Socialist, he'd be checked with everything Socialist he'd try to install in the US. Congress wouldn't let it happen.

It seems like the term Socialist is being thrown around a little too easily here.

He is nowhere near a Marxist and is a DEMOCRAT. Get that straight, please

As "Centrist", I mean that he isn't right or left. His supposed actions of redistributing wealth is not Socialist, none of his policies are.

How do you know what his policies really are? No one really knows, because he talks the same rhetoric as John McCain about the "war on terror" and more troops in Afghanistan... He says anything, but what really disturbs me is that he doesn't separate himself from Bush or McCain when he speaks about Iraq.. he sounds the same. Also, I beg you to read the Global Poverty Act.. Here you will see his real intentions for America.

And he is a DEMOCRAT.... So What !!! That's like saying Ron Paul is a Republican.. my favorite candidate by the way.

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America is being destroyed for the greater good of all mankind. Wether you like it or not, there is nothing "Americans" can do about it because you aren't even aware of a fraction of the things that are going on in the world. It doesn't matter who becomes the next president of the United States because the president HAS NO POWER. JFK thought the president actually had some power. And see what happened to him?

Most of what you read in the news and even on sites like this are simply meant to distract your simple minds from some very large secrets and keep you from knowing who the true rulers of the world are.

Enjoy your fake elections.

Originally posted by NuclearPaul
The idea that Obama or McCain represent the average American is simply not true.

Exactly.

I can believe people buy into this "I care for the little guy" stuff.
I know the politicians have to do it but it gets to be so corny after a while if of course you know it's just for votes.

"Sally works two jobs..."
"Joe is facing foreclosure but keeping his head above water..."
"There's a little girl named Jane that sold her bike..."

It's just nonsense.

McCain doesn't even know how many homes he has or the price of gas since he doesn't pump it himself but I am to believe he represents me?

No...just vote for who you think you can tolerate and won't mess us up just that much more until we toss them all out.

- Lee

Originally posted by Chilled1
I'm afraid Obama has already won

The key word there is 'afraid'. Yes, be afraid. Everything he says is frightening beyond belief. From his desire to totally dismantle our defenses and future combat systems - to wanting to purposely bankrupt the coal industry in the USA (which is a national security matter) - to his desire for price signals in order to curb our behaviors to fit what he thinks is correct ... be afraid. Yes - be very afraid.

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I can see if we were facing the second or third straight democratic leadership in the white house but as it is we're just leaving republican "leadership" right now. I don't see what all the fuss is about when we have to do this over again in four years and may get another republican back in the oval office once more. Republicans aren't barred from running ever again if Obama is president.

Aren't you being a bit dramatic with this?

We survived Bush we can survive anything and I'm more willing to give a democrat a try again rather than risk another President that will continue the mess he made.

If there is a civil war over this election then America deserves to be torn to shreds for having spoiled close-minded citizens that can't see past their party affiliation.

- Lee

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Sarah Palin horrible? Are you kidding me? She is the VERY person who has not only revived the Conservative movement within America, she will also be the leader of the Republican Party, similar to President Reagan many years ago. She is a very smart, astute, yet down-to-Earth woman, and trust me, she can out maneuver the best of them. Even her former Democrat Opponent in Alaska said "Don't EVER underestimate her".

Originally posted by lee anoma
I can see if we were facing the second or third straight democratic leadership in the white house but as it is we're just leaving republican "leadership" right now. I don't see what all the fuss is about when we have to do this over again in four years and may get another republican back in the oval office once more. Republicans aren't barred from running ever again if Obama is president.

Aren't you being a bit dramatic with this?

We survived Bush we can survive anything and I'm more willing to give a democrat a try again rather than risk another President that will continue the mess he made.

If there is a civil war over this election then America deserves to be torn to shreds for having spoiled close-minded citizens that can't see past their party affiliation.

[edit on 3-11-2008 by lee anoma]

I hate to say it, but that is an extremely naive perspective. So much damage can be done in only Four Years time, especially in regards to a candidate wishing to impliment European Socialist ideologies upon us, that any attempt to turn back the hands of time will be a straight CLIFF to climb.

As for a "Civil War", that would not be over something as petty as Political Parties, it would be over someone attempting to mold America into a Socialist State, or even worse. Let us not jump the gun on such a dramatic possibility though, but do remember, we are talking about the difference between an American Capitalist here, and some European Socialist. This is not as simple as Republican vs. Democrat, or Conservative vs. Liberal, it is about proving that our American system is the best, or caving in to some foreign system completely alien to America in it's 232 Year Existence.

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"She is a very smart, astute, yet down-to-Earth woman"

Doesn't she believe the earth is only 6500 years old and creation happened exactly as described in genesis? Sounds real smart to me....

I hate to admit it,but I kind of go with the poster on this one,almost like Mc Cain is just going through the motions,think we had the wool pulled over our eyes,there is some agenda being mapped