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The Enemy Within:US Female Soldiers Raped.

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posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 05:01 AM
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reply to post by jakyll
 
I served 2 terms in the Air Force. I met alot of military women during my tenure, and after separation from the military. Not one was a lesbian. I assure you that there the ratio of civilian lesbians far outnumber any lesbians you will ever find in the military.

I was in the Air Force in the 80s, when the ratio of women to men was about 1:25. There was the stereotype of women in the military being either a dyke or a homely spinster that no man would want. Neither case was true.

Being in the military is like going into a whole new language and culture. Without having experienced it, you know only the myths, which are not truths.




posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 05:09 AM
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Well, the boy was a rapist. He just waited 6 months before he raped the girl. Whether he raped her as a total stranger, or 6 months after meeting. As a rape advocate, I can't tell you that more rapes occur between acquaintenances than strangers. And just because a person has known someone for any time still doesn't give him any right to force a girl.

Here's a tip for your knowledge. No matter how long a person has known someone, forcing someone is rape.

That would be like saying to your daughter when she came in from a date with the boy she's been dating for 6 months that it was not really rape because she'd been dating him and he'd waited long enough that she should have expected him to force her if she was not willing to put out.

Here's a joke, if that does not get the point across: Why did God give men bigger brains than dogs.

The answer is: So they don't "hump" women's legs at cocktail parties.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 05:10 AM
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reply to post by angelblu
 
Correction to my last entry...more rapes occur between acquaintances than strangers.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 05:25 AM
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Originally posted by calihan123
Of course women are going to get raped. These men are stuck over there for months, or years at a time with no contact with women.. if one comes in site, you better believe they are going to rape her.

That is a sad reality of having women in the service. But they should know the dangers of that happening, before they decide to become a soldier. How could they they not know that would happen?

Men are very sexual. When you take that away from them.. they do things they wouldnt normally do. Sex literally can control them. So whereas they wouldnt rape a woman in normal life, over there they do because sex is taken away from them.



So in fact you are saying that if a man is not able to have sex, he will rape someone. That is sad. You are truly mistaken. I know men that don't have sex (besides with themselves) for long periodes, when relations don't work out or when a wive dies. They don't go around raping women! They are sensible smart guys.
These soldiers are obviously not. Lack of ntelligence, peer pressure and surroundings play a big role here.
I do not hear these stories from other countries like the Dutch soldiers in Afghanistan. There are women there, and I hear positive stories about their job (besides that they feel somewhat useless in their mission).



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 06:12 AM
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This is the reason why women should not be in the military.

Hey, ladies, how many of you are registered with the Selective Service that presses men into combat in "times of need"? Ya, none? Yep, that is equality.

The practical reason, in the US at least, why women are not allowed into Special Forces or submarine duty is exactly for this reason. You see how putting women in combat works out, right? At least from my experience, submarine duty is not something a woman should WANT to do - and why should a woman WANT to die? I don't think the psychology is in evidence of needing woman in the military, either.

I will say this, I would rather a female supply clerk and a female cook than a man - but that is no reason to put a woman in harms way, whether she wants that or not. Woman make children, not kill them. And no I am bot implying woman have a defined "role" in society or anything, but I do believe that woman are better people and as such shouldn't die for any reason.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 06:30 AM
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Originally posted by SolarSeaman
but I do believe that woman are better people and as such shouldn't die for any reason.


WTF? Women are "better people" than men? Do they have a special offer on pedestals in your home town or something? It might come as a surprise to you but women can be as mean, #ty and horrible as men. Do you make a habit of generalising all demographics like this?

As for your last comment, I'm sure that would raise a few eyebrows in psychologists' offices all over the world.

[edit on 3-11-2008 by Merriman Weir]



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 06:43 AM
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The percentage of active and Reserve Army recruits granted "conduct" waivers for misdemeanor or felony charges increased to 11% last fiscal year from 4.6% in fiscal 2004, according to Army Recruiting Command statistics. So far this fiscal year, which began last October, 13% of recruits have entered the Army with conduct waivers.
www.usatoday.com...



Before Army Sgt. 1st Class Randal Ruby was accused in Iraq of beating prisoners and of conspiring to plant rifles on dead civilians, he amassed a 10-year criminal record in Colordao and Washington state for assaulting his wife and in Maine for a drunken high-speed police chase, for which he remains wanted.

Before Lance Cpl. Delano Holmes stabbed an Iraqi private to death, angering the soldier’s unit of coalition soldiers, he was hospitalized after threatening suicide in high school, accused of assault, disorderly conduct and trespassing, and, in the months leading up to deployment, twice linked to drug use.

Before Army Spc. Shane Carl Gonyon was convicted of stealing a pistol at Abu Ghraib prison, he was convicted twice on felony charges and arrested four times, once for allegedly giving a 13-year-old girl marijuana in exchange for oral sex. He enlisted weeks after his release from a federal prison in Oregon.


The fact the military has lowered it standards is NOT helping matters. People say "well those rape statistics fit in with the general population". That is ridiculous! Our society has an underbelly of criminal scum, yet that does NOT mean they should be hired and employed in the military!

Can anyone imagine a large company with thousands of employees overlooking rape because "our rape statistics are in line with the general U.S. population." I could just imagine IBM coming out with a statement like that, saying "well yes some of our secretaries have been raped in the storage room, but let me assure you all that rape is every bit as common in the general populace, there is no reason for concern, it is perfectly normal". Our corporate policy dictates that these crimes are within reasonable limits and we see no need to impliment stricter background checks or take further steps to alleviate the problem.

I do believe the vast majority of military personal are decent, law abiding individuals with a conscience. But the fact the army is now allowing up to 13% of their new recruits waivers due to criminal backgrounds is a problem.

That the ringleader that orchestrated the Abu Ghraib abuse was convicted of domestic violence on numerous occasions before they put him in charge of helpless prisoners in a POW camp. What kind of people with a brain would ever put an unbalanced individual CONVICTED of abusing his own family in charge of helpless POW's? It is crazy, and it appears on some level it is systematic.



[edit on 3-11-2008 by Sonya610]



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 06:47 AM
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Well when the government lowers its standards of who can join the military you get people with low standards don't you.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 07:17 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Wow....the ignorance is rife on this thread.

No one "deserves" to be raped.

No one has an "excuse" for raping someone.

There is no justification at all for forcing someone to undertake a humiliating sexual act against their will, and anyone who seeks to justify that in any way needs to sit down and ask themselves how they would feel if it happened to them, plain and simple.



As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by angelblu
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I think the problem with people who justify rape is that they are in denial. They have a hard time confronting the fact that "one of their kind" of people might actually be capable of committing such a depraved act.

I can't help wondering, when people insist that rape is natural under certain conditions, if they are trying to justify rapes they have committed.

At the very least, they are destroying the peer pressure against rape.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 07:36 AM
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So you are saying that all soldiers are psychotic serial killing rapists? Wow what a narrow minded stupid little thought process you have.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 07:51 AM
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These people are human garbage, and don't go blaming war. It's hard to have a lot of sympathy for anyone who would sign up for this war.
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I am sure that someone has already said this but I need to say this.

The only reason you can post your comments lies in the fact that US and NATO military have all given of themselves in order for the West to remain free.

Many in all venues of the military are alarmed with current events.

Most in the military do not rape or break laws.

You remind me of those who spit on those returning from Veit Nam.

You will need to reval your value system if you are not for freedom and those who paid for your freedom with their blood.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by -Reason- . . .
. . . a large percentage of women in the military will give it up without a problem or to "further" their careers. . . .




What absolute stinking hogwash.

That sounds like slime from a porn-fed, misogynistic imagination.

To use your fantasies to insult a group of young women who are in Iraq helping to fight a war they no doubt believe in, when 1 in 7 are being raped by their own comrades, is truly contemptible.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 08:25 AM
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MASH dealt with the problem of children born of American soldiers that they never took back to the US. And in the movie Full Metal Jacket, once they get to Vietnam, the first thing you see is them trying to buy sex from a prostitute. The references are numerous to the sexual escapade of the fight man. Soldiers have a legacy of laying down with indigenous personnel with no recourse for their actions.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by calihan123
Of course women are going to get raped. These men are stuck over there for months, or years at a time with no contact with women.. if one comes in site, you better believe they are going to rape her.

That is a sad reality of having women in the service. But they should know the dangers of that happening, before they decide to become a soldier. How could they they not know that would happen?

Men are very sexual. When you take that away from them.. they do things they wouldnt normally do. Sex literally can control them. So whereas they wouldnt rape a woman in normal life, over there they do because sex is taken away from them.

Please dont lump all men in this crap.As a father of two daughters and a man with morals I sorta take offense to that.NOT ALL MEN ARE THAT WAY.Those jerks that raped those women do not I repeat do not represent all men.Believe it or some of us "men" can work in crazy situations with women and not think about raping them.Get a grip



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 08:34 AM
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The trouble is , in my opinion from rerading some posts in this thread is that people are quick to blame both sexes. But the thing I haven't read (apart from a slight mention in a post) is that war DOES change the soldiers personality , They might be all god loving when they join (both men AND women service staff) but then after either a few weeks or in some of their cases months, after combat they start to DEVALUE human life, they become so insensitive to people that men and women of ALL sides become objects.
They don't see people anymore , thet same goes for the victims of rape, they are treated like some sort of sub-human object and therefore it doens't matter to the would-be or actual rapist. They just go and commit the act .
And yes I said 'would-be' there has to be some sort of sexual deviancy to commit such a violation in the first place but after combat the above comes into play, Everyone becomes an object, a faceless meatsack , a nameless thing and with that the rapist feels more 'comfortable' with leaving morality at the door. I thought that soldiers from any side where supposed to be the 'bastions of right and honour' and the majority are but there are always a few bad apples that spoil the barrel.
The honourable ones should stick up for the women and either find out who did and take justice into their own hands or totally ostracise the perpertrators and leave tjhem alone when out in the battlefield.
Or at least the women should have an 'honourguard'of 2 to 3 reliable men to walk them to the lavvies. ( before anyone says 'who is honourable?' there are some who are)



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 08:38 AM
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What I wonder about most is not why women get raped in our armed services in combat zones, but why these rapes are not censured and punished.

Why do our female soldiers have to wait until they get back to the States and can reach civilian rape crisis centers before they get listened to?

Why do they have to continue to serve in the same unit as their attackers?

It is horrible that even a few of our male soldiers apparently think it's okay to rape a woman, any woman let alone a fellow combatant. And those who compare rape statistics in the armed forces to rape statistics in civilian life really need the think about their logic. We demand higher levels of discipline of our soldiers than our civilians for a reason.

But yes, there will always be bad apples, and there will always be rapes.

But the institutional cover-ups are unacceptable



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 08:49 AM
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SolarSeaman



This is the reason why women should not be in the military.


Going with that kinda logic then,men shouldn't be in the military either,as there are plenty of males who have been the victims of rape and sexual abuse.




-Reason-



I'm not dumb and I know that forced rape happens in the military but I also know that a large percentage of women in the military will give it up without a problem or to "further" their careers. These women aren't harrased into or even fight the passes of a superior officer. But then the two get caught and the military calls it rape.


I find it laughable that you start of saying you aint dumb and you follow it up with a dumb and ignorant comment.

For those who do not know,the evidence in/on the vagina will usually tell you if a rape has occurred.If it is rape then there is tearing and bruising within the vagina because the woman was not aroused and 'open.' When sex is consensual the woman is 'open' and therefore there is no tearing or bruising from the force a rapist needs to use to enter the vagina.




craig732



Combat veterans, male or female, allowing themselves to be raped? These are trained warriors, more than capable of defending themselves. The US military veterans that I am friends with have all said they would use their combat training and fight to the death before allowing themselves to be subjected to this.


Allows themselves!? Who the feck allows themselves to be raped!?
Just because they have combat training doesn't mean that they will win in a fight every time.And these trained warriors are being attacked by other trained warriors and just because they end up being raped doesn't mean they didn't put up one helluva fight first.As for talking with veterans,its very rare to find a man who will admit to have been the victim of rape.No man likes to admit that he has been emasculated.





americandingbat.

Good questions all.



Why do they have to continue to serve in the same unit as their attackers?


And to fight along side 'em too?
Would a victim of rape protect their rapist in a shoot out?





[edit on 3-11-2008 by jakyll]



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 10:38 AM
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AH, yeah there is harassment and rape among males...any one have numbers on that?

Women are "better people" in my mind because I hear less crime reports and see lower numbers of crimes committed by women - violent or otherwise. And I do have a very generalized view of people because I think when we allow ourselves to be too specific about people things like, oh...Rwanda happen. That's a non-issue though, huh. (I am not a clinician nor am I "very" educated yet, so take that however you want I reckon.)


So, well...is there a definable solution to the issue of male on female rapes in the military? Yes, sure there is (in my opinion). Is there a definable method to prevent the military (or anyone else) from raping civilians?
I can think of one...



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 11:18 AM
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The Lesbian Issue. My Air Force Career started on August 15th, 1967 and ended with an early out in May 1971. In the one year of that time that I spent stateside, I dated several WAF's (Women Air Force). Through those relationships, I also met and became friends with others. Now although I am sure there were gay women just as I am sure there were gay men, I personally never saw it. Went to lots of parties on and off base and saw nothing more that one would see at a party of men and women.

During my three tours of Vietnam, although a lot of my female contact was on the professional level
, I became very good friends with several women who were in support services, including Nguyen who was with AFVN, and I guarantee she was not a lesbian.

I think this statement has the same merit as the All Soldiers one that I addressed on Page 3.

Besides.... rape is rape. It doesn't matter even if a woman is a lesbian or straight.... it is a crime against a person that should be dealt with in the harshest possible way.

This issue really beings back The General's Daughter movie with John Travolta. I have heard comments and rumors about rapes in military academies too.

My Dos Cents.

Dave

[edit on 11/3/2008 by Dave Rabbit]



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