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The Enemy Within:US Female Soldiers Raped.

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posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 02:54 AM
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Everybody has been piling on soliders without a source. The source provided by the op leaves out the critical data to back up the claims.

But if you want a source, here it is.

www.sa.rochester.edu...


A study among college women has shown that 1 out of every 5 college age women report being forced to have sexual intercourse.


Looks like the enemy within is at the local college campus. this is especially horrendous considering that our college campuses have an even ratio between men and women.

Maybe I should start a new thread.

How many of you willing to bash our soldiers are going to be willing to bash college students with the same fervor.




posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 03:04 AM
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What does the ratio of men to women have to do with rape?

And the big difference between rape on college campus – which is an atrocious crime and sickeningly common – and what the OP posted is:

a) on a college campus you are not going to go into battle and have to depend on your attacker for your life

b) on a college campus you will be heard and the issue will be investigated if you complain. You will not be forced to continue to serve with your attacker. In the worst case scenario, if you are not believed, you can leave the college without going AWOL.

Rape anywhere is one of the worst crimes one human can commit against another. It doesn't matter whether you're in the army or in college or at a strip club – if you force another person to have sex with you you are guilty of rape and should be prosecuted.

But that's where the military is apparently failing our female soldiers, and that's the real story: that the officers are passively condoning such behavior by not doing everything in their power to punish such a gross betrayal of a fellow soldier.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 03:27 AM
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Let me see if I have your morality right.

Rape is terrible, but it is not as bad on a college campus, when committed by college students, where women go to educate and improve themselves?

Pray tell, how is it that rape on a college campus isn't as bad as in a war zone? At least in a war zone, you know that war is hell, and anything can happen.

Apparently, going to a college puts a young woman more in danger of being raped than going into a war zone, and you think this is fine.

The difference between the ratios of the men means that a far, far fewer percentage of soldiers are raping their female cohorts as male college students raping their female college cohorts. What the ratio differences mean is that a higher percentage of male college students are rapists than soldiers in the field of combat.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 03:31 AM
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did you even read what I wrote?

Rape is rape is rape. The crime is equally bad no matter where it happens.

What this story, in my opinion, brings to light that is atrocious is the lack of action on the part of the military hierarchy after a rape occurs.

Whereas most American colleges, at least, have rape crisis counseling and support to help bring charges against the rapist, and will act quickly to ensure that the victim is protected if she reports the rape, the military will apparently do nothing and expect the victim to trust her attacker in combat.

In both cases, the rapist is guilty and should be punished.

In the case of the military, the hierarchy is guilty of passively condoning rape.

Edit:

P.S., we can't say anything about the percentage of men who are guilty in either case, since we don't know whether the victims were raped once by one man or multiple times by multiple perpetrators.

[edit on 11/4/08 by americandingbat]



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 03:36 AM
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Here's why you're not good at ATS.

Your awesome source says nothing about college campuses. It simply says one in five college age women report being forced into sex. I'll bet most women in the army are college aged.
Bottom line: your source said nothing, in fact nothing in your post did as you still didn't address the other most important question from my previous post that you responded to. You know the one regarding soldiers being college students...? I call that...ATS fail.

source on soldier suicide rates
click here
another source

For violent behavior:
the police have caught on...why haven't you?

For rape well...see this thread....aw, hell here's one more..
another soldier rape story

is any of this getting through to you?



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 03:47 AM
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You clearly painted college rape as not being as bad as being raped in a war zone.


on a college campus you are not going to go into battle and have to depend on your attacker for your life


As if this somehow make rape in a college campus less horrific.

Your hypocrisy is duly noted.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 03:56 AM
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If you had any honor at all, at least you would post the whole quote.


A study among college women has shown that 1 out of every 5 college age women report being forced to have sexual intercourse.


This is a study among college women, NOT all women of college age.

My source is better than the ops. At least my link gives an honest portrayal. Here is another fact.


Less than half of those arrested for rape are convicted, 54% of all rape prosecutions end in either dismissal or acquittal. The conviction rate for those arrested for murder is 69% and all other felons is 54%. (The Response to Rape: Detours on the Road to Equal Justice) 21% of convicted rapists are never sentenced to jail or prison time, and 24% receive time in local jail which means that they spend an average of less than 11 months behind bars. (The Response to Rape: Detours on the Road to Equal Justice)



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 03:57 AM
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And where is your proof that college girls get better treatment than female soldiers after reporting rape?



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 04:03 AM
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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by liquidsmoke206
 


Everybody has been piling on soliders without a source. The source provided by the op leaves out the critical data to back up the claims.

But if you want a source, here it is.

www.sa.rochester.edu...


A study among college women has shown that 1 out of every 5 college age women report being forced to have sexual intercourse.


Looks like the enemy within is at the local college campus. this is especially horrendous considering that our college campuses have an even ratio between men and women.

Maybe I should start a new thread.

How many of you willing to bash our soldiers are going to be willing to bash college students with the same fervor.


I will for one, I will bash anyone, anywhere who thinks it is ok or who gives rapist an "excuse" for their behavior. The link I posted earlier has some information in regards to "blaming the victim" and until our society gets past this, rape will continue, rapist will continue to be given excuses and those who are raped will be told to "shape up". Cover yourself from head to toe, hide in your homes and for goodness sake do not take a job where men work. (sarcasm their)

Oh, and "being evil" is just another excuse. Their should be NO excuse for such an action and rape should be severely punished. Until we get it into men AND womens' brains that rape is not acceptable and punishable by death or life in prison along with chemical or physical castration it will continue.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 04:09 AM
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i don't know what you are trying to say with your second quote, but maybe you should check this out.



Rape in civilian life is already unacceptably common. One in six women is raped or sexually assaulted in her lifetime, according to the National Institute of Justice, a number so high it should be considered an epidemic.

In the military, however, the situation is even worse. Rape is almost twice as frequent as it is among civilians, especially in wartime.


and this too



• A 2007 survey by the Department of Veterans Affairs found that homelessness among female veterans is rapidly increasing as women soldiers come back from Iraq and Afghanistan. Forty percent of these homeless female veterans say they were sexually abused while in the service.

hmmm forty percent...yeah i think thats higher than 1 in 5...still not convinced?



• A 2004 study of veterans from Vietnam and all wars since, conducted by psychotherapist Maureen Murdoch and published in the journal Military Medicine, found that 71 percent of the women said they were sexually assaulted or raped while serving

since you can't answer any of my other questions( like an honorable foe would). Please answer me this....is 71% more than 1 in five?

What's your argument again?
source



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 04:10 AM
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You want more sources on the low morality at our college campuses, no problem.

alcoholism.about.com...

www.paralumun.com...

www.cops.usdoj.gov...


Rape is the most common violent crime on American
college campuses today.


Here is a real beauty of a fact.

web.mit.edu...


51-60% of college men report they would rape a woman if they were certain that they would get away with it. One out of twelve college men surveyed had committed acts that met the legal definition of rape;


Let me know when the reality sets in that your position is horribly wrong.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 04:13 AM
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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by americandingbat
 


You clearly painted college rape as not being as bad as being raped in a war zone.


on a college campus you are not going to go into battle and have to depend on your attacker for your life


As if this somehow make rape in a college campus less horrific.

Your hypocrisy is duly noted.



Originally posted by poet1b
If you had any honor at all, at least you would post the whole quote.


What I said was that it was different in that way. Your hypocrisy has been noted.

I'm not going to argue about rape on college campuses in a thread about rape in the military. There is no need for one to be better or worse than another.

If you have proof that college women who are raped are treated by the college administration in the same way that the women referenced in the OP claim to be treated, then by all means put up a thread on it and bring it to our attention.

Look, I'm not bashing soldiers at all. I'm bashing rapists, and those who look the other way and fail to help the victims of rape.

It doesn't have to be one or the other – that's a trick to get us to focus our energy on shouting down each other.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 04:18 AM
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First of all, you didn't post any links to back up your claims.

Then you need to show that homeless female vets represent all female vets.

When the numbers of men in the military to the numbers of women is about twenty to one, while the numbers of men to women on college campuses these days is about one to one, that means that even with 70% of military women reporting being sexually assaulted, still a much higher percentage of college men are committing rape, or college campuses are letting a small group of males get by with very high numbers of rape. Either way, it's pretty ugly.

I have answered all of your questions, while you have yet to answer any of mine. As a foe, you are a joke.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 04:23 AM
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Are you now willing to admit that U.S. soldiers are no more likely rapists than civilians? Are you now willing to admit that the op was off in his claim attacking U.S. soldiers as the bad guys?

The hypocritical holier than thou attitude that some like to carry around attacking one group, while ignoring the crimes of others isn't going to help solve any of these problems, especially not rape.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 04:25 AM
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Apparently you think my position is that college campuses are perfectly safe places. Never said that. I've simply maintained that high rates of rape are no surprise given the high rates of all other kind of effed up behavior by military personal. I've backed it all up.

Rapes happen in colleges, everyone knows that.
Military personnel go to college, everyone knows that.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 04:31 AM
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I have never said that soldiers were more likely to rape than others – I don't know the statistics on that. That was not the topic of the OP.

I just checked, and I don't think he claimed that soldiers are more likely to rape than others in his opening (I have not reread the entire thread) – just that rapists do not represent our country well.

Are you willing to admit that your knee-jerk reactionism is derailing this thread?



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 04:32 AM
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I've backed up everything with quality sources.
As far as not answering your questions, well, it seems you haven't asked me any!


How out of touch are you in this thread?





posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 04:44 AM
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Do you have a clue how effed up your last post is?

If you had been there when JC said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone," no doubt you would have picked up a big ole rock and smacked the woman upside the head. Sick, man, sick.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 04:54 AM
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Um, yeah, the op clearly attacked the morality of U.S. soldiers when he started this thread.

From the opening post.


This type of behaviour shows that if these men have such little respect for their fellow soldiers,then the Iraqi 'enemy' stands little chance of being treated with restraint.


Its also bodes ill for the future.America will not be remembered in most of the world for all the good it has done.Instead,when the US is mentioned many people will think of things like this and they will shake their head in disgust.


The op makes these cheap shot judements of U.S. soldiers without ever looking at statistics of other countries or groups. This was a slander job from the beginning, whose only effort is to slam U.S. soldiers. When you at the numbers honestly, U.S. soldiers look better than most, certainly better than our college students.

You seem to have some common sense about you. I think I understand where you are coming from, and I can respect that. It seems that you just got swept up be the propaganda of the op.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 05:10 AM
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USA is a soceity of porn , decadence , no morals etc . hence it is bound to happen that US army is a full of rapists, no big deal



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