Obama is better choice for commander in chief

Originally posted by deathhasnosound

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Obama is intelligent, brilliant, thoughtful and STRONG. He would be the better president (and CinC) by FAR!

Oh keep it in your pants! geez how embarrassing.

Obama could not last five minutes in a POW camp let alone five years as McCain did. You want to talk about strength, that is strength.

Obama is rico suave and this makes old ladies swoon and homosexual's legs tingle, but it doesn't qualify him to be president.

What does homosexuals have to do with it now? You people trench to the farest low there is out of deep desperation. Your argument is childish and rude, but I guess that's all you have. My personal experience is that everyone I meet who are immoral, unethical, and desperate are bias extremist conservatives, you remind me of this.

Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic
BH said it so eloquently

You and BH aren't on line at the same time very often
... sharing one computer?

To quote a famous if fictional leader:

To quote another leader - a real one -
Neville Chamberlain - "Peace in our time" :shk:
And we all know what Chamberlains story was ... don't we.

*sigh* How soon they forget the lesson of Chamberlain.

how realistic is you!!!
I hear people on here saying Obama or mccain are the best choice lol!!! Well I don't know about Obama (then again no one really does know about Obama) But has everyone just plain forgot about the MCCain Feingold fiasco? Or the Savings and Loan Scandals? how about the fact that MCCain among other insiders was responsible for the current economic climate were in? Nevermind the fact that as a POW he was a traitor to the US. or that he was born in Panama when Panama was not an ally nor a Satellite of the US.
Those of you thinking that Im an Obama fan well..... Think again!!! First of all his name isnt Barrack Hussein Obama. 2.bp.blogspot.com... /AAAAAAAAAwU/RMOmNHPhWFk/s400/registration.jpg He was a junior senator in Illinois and therfor has done absolutely nothing in the senate. Though being a muslim isnt necessarily a bad thing lying about it to get votes certainly is. In the true reality we should be asking ourselves why did they give us 2 candidates who probably were not born in the US, one of which has terminal skin cancer and the other extremely inexperienced in any executive level (his wife has more executive experience then he does) What I find amazing is all the hoopla over Obama when no one and I mean no one knows anything about him or the change he is offering. one thing is for sure: when Mccain says obama is pushing socialism he is right however Mccain is doing the exact same thing.

Voting for the lesser of the two evils ?

Watch out what you ask for, you just might get it !

Don't be afraid to stray off the beaten path.
Stop repeating the same mistakes over and over.

Don't be sheep to the slaughter.

reply to post by Solo954


Dude, Obama is just another gov Shill, both of the two party candidates are.

Obama is part of the CFR (Council on Foriegn Relations).

Why is that bad? Well, for one, they are globalists, you know NWO types?:



And here he is LYING about his CFR membership and ridiculing those who've brought news of the NAU into the public:



CFR sets up NAU on Lou Dobbs:



The CFR is bad, anyone associated with them, lies about being associated with them are crooks.

-Lahara

Originally posted by FlyersFan
You and BH aren't on line at the same time very often
... sharing one computer?

No. And that has what to do with the topic at hand? Oh, that's right... nothing.

And we all know what Chamberlains story was ... don't we.

And again, Chamberlain has what to do with Obama's qualities? Oh, again, nothing.

You are in good company, though. It is a mistake many have made that preferring non-violence means weakness, and violence is the be-all and end-all method of solving conflict.

Remember this guy? Remember how well this worked out?

Edit: Screwed up the link... it was W and his "Bring it on" tripe...



[edit on 2-11-2008 by Open_Minded Skeptic]

Lol, and the Obama fans step back in fear of my facts that I have pointed out, that or they woke up finally lol.

Yeah guys, Obama is just as much of a "good choice" as McCain, remember:

If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you're still voting for evil.

-Lahara

reply to post by Solo954


I didn't bother watching it. I will say this however...

Obama sure can talk well. And if you can talk well you can persuade and if you can persuade then you can govern because a huge amount of governing is persuading people to do what you want, whether that is the voters or congress. You can govern by bullying and you can govern by persuasion and generally you get more done through persuasion.

Its one thing to lead a squadron with the full force of the Military code of justice behind you... leading a nation (or congress) is much more like herding cats. Ya gotta convince them that they want to do what you want.

In that video Obama downplayed the success of the surge. He said the success in Anbar was unrelated to the surge. He tried to smmoth things over by butt-kissing Petraeus, but it didn't work.

As I recall, Obama had a new one torn later on when he was criticized for not knowing the difference between strategy and tactics.

"If we knew then what we know now..."

And people call that brilliant?

"bin Laden and al Qaeda have been strengthened..."

Is this guy for real?

He calls what has been done in Iraq "modest improvement"?

Hey Obama, here's a hint: you don't stick your thumb into the eye of the people you will command.

You don't fail to visit them in the hospital because you couldn't bring your cameras along, and then speak to a rock concert crowd the next day.

You don't have the respect of the military. You'll never be an average CiC, much less a good one.

Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic
And again, Chamberlain has what to do with Obama's qualities? Oh, again, nothing.

Everything.

Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic
To quote a famous if fictional leader:

You quoted a fictional leader. I quoted a real one that Obama is following in the footsteps of. It has EVERYTHING to do with his inability to be a good commander in chief. YOU quoted first .. I followed with a more appropriate quote.


FYI for whoever is on this thread - I do NOT believe McCain would make a good commander in chief either. A good commander in chief would secure our borders - McCain wouldn't do this. Bush didn't do it. Clinton didn't do it. Also - McCain's temper tantrums are legendary. I don't want him near 'the button' or the 'football suitcase' either.

The 'better choice' for Commander in Chief would be the Libertarian or the Constitution Party candidates. But definately NOT Obama or McCain.

Originally posted by grover
leading a nation (or congress) is much more like herding cats. Ya gotta convince them that they want to do what you want.

excellent way to put it!
You are so right, just watch cspan one day and you will see how right you are.

reply to post by deathhasnosound


Thanks... I've watched cspan and it is the most coma inducing thing that I have ever encountered... kinda like drugs without the high.

LBJ was great at squeezing peoples gonads to get what he wanted... Nixon threatened and I get the impression that Clinton smooth talked em but my impression is that Obama will probably engage his opponents in such a way that they will end up doing what he wants and think it was their idea.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Hogwash. There is no credible linkage between Chamberlain's approach and Obama's.

The willingness to talk to adversaries is a sign of strength. Any blowhard dimwit can strut around with his chest all puffed out and achieve nothing of value.

Obama has shown by his response to the various slimes and smears during the campaign that he is a man of determination and strength - support him or not. He is more than willing to take on foes as appropriate, and I'm sure will engage militarily when and if it is necessary. And more importantly, not unless it is necessary. Although that last remains to be seen.

Having the internal confidence to be willing to talk first is the hallmark of true leadership, as opposed to buffoonery.

The Bush approach is that of the arrogant bully... it may, and often does, work or appear to in the short term, but is a long term disaster.

Obama's approach, as seen so far, is that of confidence. It may not satisfy the testosterone-laden in the short term, but has greater benefit for the country as a whole in the long term.

Me, I'm in favor of the long term.

I guess Obama will be a great CiC, if our military and all the world leaders want a bunch of smoke blown up their behind with no details on how or when he is going to accomplish it. Obama is great at promising what he cannot deliver.

Obamma's tax plan will drive this country's economy into the ground.

Most of the people voting for Obamma support the arguement that all the politicians in Washington can be bought out and that's the problem. We, the people, are screwing the ecomony by voting for a tax plan that gives you 10 extra dollars in your pocket at the end of the year, and thus doing the EXACT SAME THING. Allowing yourselves to sell your freedoms. Selling out your country for $10 bucks.

I'm not gonna sit here and argue for McCain either because I disagree with his social policies, but wake up. This tax plan punishes the financially successful and encurages stagnation.

Their goal is simple: to make Americans feel as if they NEED the government's help to get a meal instead of bringing financial success to themselves. YOU are responsible for YOU.

Yes he seems like he is ready to lead the US into a country that rolls over,why do you think Ronald Reagan was elected,he had the other countrys in fear of him ,Obama even looks weak and his ideas fit his physical appearance,why do you think Stalin had pictures painted of him with broad shoulders

reply to post by TheRandom1


This is real good piece of evidence. Thank you for gathering that information to our attention. However I see the NWO as nothing we Americans can do about. Its a prophesy waiting to be fulfilled. On the other hand if we were to stand up against big brother, we would also need to establish a movement from Mexico to Canada, and whose not to say the NAU would already be established (If not established already) before this movement would come into effect. This is part of the reason why I'm not voting. But take into consideration some countries will probably not find this stunt in their interest, so we would still need an effective CinC to atleast protect the stolen goods.



Edit - To add video

[edit on 3-11-2008 by Solo954]

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Yes, Obama would make a better CinC. He has good judgment, thinks things through, doesn’t jump into decisions, surrounds himself with people from different viewpoints and asks for the TRUTH, listens carefully and then makes a good decision. He is strong enough to sit down and talk with his “enemies” instead of weakly attacking without thinking of the consequences. He prefers peace and diplomacy to war.

I'd like to address this quote: He has good good judgement, surrounds himself with people from different viewpoints"

Surrounding yourself with the likes of William Ayers, a known U.S. terriost, and murderer of two police officers, and author of " Prarie Fire" a book dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan which Barrack Obama signed; Tony Rezko criminal realtor from Chicago who just happened to be Obama's friend and neighbor AND sold him property; Reverand Wright Obama's 20yr. mentor and friend who preaches hate and racism and has uttered such maniacal tripe as "no no no Not God bless America, But God Damn America"!!Khalid Rashidi spokesperson for the PLO. If keeping company with these individuals is whom you choose as your friends, then you have exercised your judgement; which is not what one would call "Presidential" and shows
where his loyalities lie and completely misses the mark of a commander and chief.


www.foxnews.com...

[edit on 3-11-2008 by paxnatus]

BO has no leadership experience. Period.

He has document ably surrounded himself with America hating radicals.

his rhetoric on the campaign trail is the documented opposite of what little record he has created in his 143 days in the senate.

He has no accomplishments.

He has stated very plainly, some very disturbing things, which are indicative of what his administration plans to do.

The MSM has actively looked the other way and has gone to great lengths to assist perpetuating the false image of who BO actually is, says and does.

This sort of person is the last one who should sit in the oval office.