And the winner is: Obama/Biden (2008 ATS Presidential Poll)

i think people need to calm down, this wasnt THE election it was a poll done on ATS just for fun, people around the world voted as they would have if they were american citizens, not much point in getting hot under the collar because this poll doesnt reflect your biases because at the end of the day this poll didnt mean a great deal.

in every country people vote for different reasons that doesnt reflect on how the US votes, here in Australia we never vote a leader in we vote a leader/party out.

other people from other countries view things differently also in most western countries socialism isnt a dirty word unlike the US.

so just relax take a chill pill and bug out and stop throwing your little tantrums because the rest of the world doesnt see things the same way as you


to those stating people can circumvent the system .. yes they can but you have to wonder why would anybody bother ?
and if they did you need to pity these people because they have such small existances that they need to try to manipulate a poll that has no bearing on the real election.

[edit on 2-11-2008 by Demandred]

was there a surprise to the outcome?

ive seen 500 obama threads closed around here.

peace and long live freedom of speech

This is of course a pointless musing but, I can not help what would happen if only those who do not work for the Federal and State Government , including Contractors or by any direct means derive their income from the Federal and State Government, were allowed to vote.

When I say derive their income, I include immediate family members and those on any kind of public assistance and those who receive pensions and retirement income what I will term "Government" and don't say from, the Tax Payers because these Government Entities spend far more than they take in from taxes.

Whatever the case, I have a gut feeling this represents 66% of our population or more to the point 44% of our population who could vote without having been bought and paid for by the Government to one extent or another.

Now, if this concept offends you, ask yourself if faced with a vote that would either protect or eliminate you income stream coming from the Federal or State Government, which way you would vote. What if your vote to eliminate this or that Federal or State Agency would protect your right to have firearms for personal use; would you give up your right to bear arms in order to make sure your checks kept coming? Or, let's say you had the chance to eliminate the IRS but it meant you would no longer get Social Security, how would you vote?

Basically, what I am leading to is all these people at the republican and democratic conventions that appear so thrilled about their candidates represent about 66% of our population and they are all bought and paid for minions of Federalist.

I learned that hard way this year that internet polls mean nothing, because Ron Paul won them all and look how far he got.

Internet polls only represent the most active members of the online community.
In 2008 they are Ron Paul supporters and Obama supporters.

If it was up to just the internet Ron Paul would have become President.

interesting... i wonder what the results would have shown if ron paul was put in as a "write-in"

The republicans are always about scare tactics to convince their followers. "Vote republica or America will became a middle eastern state! omg!! LOL. How about we vote Democrat and invest more of our money here at home. And yes, things will change when Obama wins! Last time we had a democrat as president (Bill Clinton), we had a huge surplus and not deficitin our economy!

Originally posted by LowLevelMason
Well, that pretty much confirms that ATS users have a liberal bias - a very, very large liberal bias. Good information to know.

Well it shouldn't surprise you, ATS attracts intelligent and educated people

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

Originally posted by LowLevelMason
Well, that pretty much confirms that ATS users have a liberal bias - a very, very large liberal bias. Good information to know.

Well it shouldn't surprise you, ATS attracts intelligent and educated people

No, it confirms that people aren't denying ignorance as much as they claim.

Originally posted by jimmyx
if you want to really know who a liberal is, read noam chomsky...the rest of us are slightly left of center and think obama/biden are more level headed and rational, that's all.

I believe he calls himself a 'libertarian socialist'

But I 'think' I understand what you are saying. I say it myself often on ATS:

Obama is not radical.

Although he is more rad then McCain

Originally posted by LowLevelMason

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

Originally posted by LowLevelMason
Well, that pretty much confirms that ATS users have a liberal bias - a very, very large liberal bias. Good information to know.

Well it shouldn't surprise you, ATS attracts intelligent and educated people

No, it confirms that people aren't denying ignorance as much as they claim.

So can I infer from all of this, that we would be denying more ignorance if this poll had been in McCain's favor?

Here are some facts about this poll:

1) This is reflective of ATS users political bias form a statistical standpoint.

No matter how you define the total population of ATS users (number of accounts, number of unique page views per month, etc.) a sample size of over 25,000 is more than enough to be statistically significant with a confidence interval of 99% and a confidence level of 1%. Even if you want to define ATS membership by the most broad definitions (number of unique page views over the past month), it would only take a sample size of over 16,000 to be 99% confident that this survey is reflective of the opinions of overall ATS membership, plus or minus just 1%. This is well below the actual 25,000 person sample.

2) Election decisions are salient indicators of political ideology in Unites States elections

All of the data on election decisions shows that there is a high amount of correlation between election decisions and political ideology in the United States. United States elections are strongly tied to predominate ideologies, in this case: conservative and liberal. The overwhelming support for Obama/Biden and other liberal ideologies is indicative of an overt left-wing bias.

Given that the survey sample size is so large and so statistically significant, there can no longer be any doubt that ATS users have a extremely liberal bias on political matters.

[edit on 3-11-2008 by LowLevelMason]

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
So can I infer from all of this, that we would be denying more ignorance if this poll had been in McCain's favor?

No, you would continue to be embracing ignorance - but your biases are quite overt. If things were truly unbiased you would expect a 50/50 split, or close to it, between the major ideologies in the poll.

reply to post by LowLevelMason


And you are calling us ignorants because?

And I actually believe that a non biased poll with McCain and Obama would still give a landslide for Obama. Seriously, TO ME McCain lacks too many things (he doesnt exactly shine with his policies and only reminds of Bush/Cheney) and I have the feeling people are voting him in to keep Obama out. The fear politics dont work as much nowadays and people now see through this.

This explains why so many voted for O and the 3rd parties.

Originally posted by LowLevelMason

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
So can I infer from all of this, that we would be denying more ignorance if this poll had been in McCain's favor?

No, you would continue to be embracing ignorance - but your biases are quite overt.

Please Your biasness was quite overt in your original post. Who do you think you're foolin?

Also, don't make the mistake thinking I am what you call a liberal.

If things were truly unbiased you would expect a 50/50 split, or close to it, between the major ideologies in the poll.

How do you figure that? You are saying if half the members were party loyalists to democrats and the other half to republicans then ATS would not be biased politically??...

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


This is just further proof to me that the population of readers of this site are far more intelligent than the general population of the US. I seriously doubt Obama, if and when he wins, will do so with an almost 2:1 majority over McCain. After the last eight years, our country should be so lucky. Great job ATSers.

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


You are quite in denial if you are incapable of seeing your extreme bias.

If you are incapable of understanding the difference between ideology and party loyalty, then its really not worth my time to continue to help you embrace ignorance on this matter. You are now ignored.

Originally posted by LowLevelMason
Given that the survey sample size is so large and so statistically significant, there can no longer be any doubt that ATS users site have a extremely liberal bias on political matters.

ATS is, and always has been, completely user driven.

So are you just trying to say that more left-wingers found and post on ATS?... is that all you are really trying to express here??

Big deal. So what. Maybe left-wingers like conspiracy more.

Still, your analysis on this poll does not prove any sort of biasness nor does it prove any sort of liberalness

And you are overlooking Occam's Razor:

More people on ATS think Obama would make a better President then McCain.

That doesn't automatically reflect anything more then that. You are making assumptions. You are assuming ONLY a left-wing liberal would vote for Obama...

It is good know while some things seem bad that on the whole we are still moving forward and becoming more enlightened.

The fundamental beliefs of the republican party involve controlling people's personal lives and taking advantage of the weak and unfortunate.

Originally posted by LowLevelMason

You are quite in denial if you are incapable of seeing your extreme bias.

And what is my "extreme bias"??

Please explain to a social anarchist how he is so very biased to Obama and or the Democrat platform.

Your original post was about how ATS was mostly made of Liberals and you obviously were alluding that as a negative. But that was not biasness from you right?

If you are incapable of understanding the difference between ideology and party loyalty, then its really not worth my time to continue to help you embrace ignorance on this matter.

Spend your time how you want to.

Instead of blaming the reader, perhaps you can instead elaborate on what you meant about the 50/50 split.

You are now ignored.

Of course I am.

[edit on 3-11-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]

It's official. I must now leave ATS. Anyone who votes (or will) for Obama has not read up on Ayers, Rezko or best of all Wright.

Cheers. I am staying home on the 4th and 5th. Still reloading "just in case".