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The Quantum Apocalypse - Consciousness, Science and Reality.

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posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 07:08 AM
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Dont really know where to put this, or what to say about it. Its kinda Science, Philosophy, Biology, Space, Theology and Consciousness all combined. Just watch and flag.





From description:


The Quantum Apocalypse: lifting of the veil, to uncover the true nature of one's self, to penetrate the surface of reality, the disclosure of hidden information, the evolution of consciousness, awakening of perception to the mysteries which lie beyond the ordinary range of human knowledge

Featuring Noted Experts - Fred Alan Wolf, Peter Russell, Professor Al-Khalili, York Dobyns, Robert Anton Wilson, Dean Radin, Richard Alan Miller, Michael Talbot, Gregg Braden, Professor David Deutsch, David Wilcock, Khemp Yurmed Tinly, Nassim Naramein, John Hagelin, Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev, David Bohm, Bill Hicks



A Hell of a good list of people, many I hold in high regard for their contributions to science and philosophy. Especially Radin, Wolf, Hagelin, Hicks and Deutsch.

Ends with a quote from the legendary Bill Hicks: "We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no death, life is a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves."

Deep stuff. Big Questions. But Its bloody awesome


[edit on 2-11-2008 by ZeuZZ]




posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 07:15 AM
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You might be interested in a book called punk Science,by Dr Manjir Samater-Laughton. Talks on this subject,I've just ordered it
www.punkscience.com...

I think it's a proper fascinating subject,bringing consciouness and spirituality into science. Can only be a good thing.

SnFed

[edit on 2/11/2008 by Acidtastic]



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 07:47 AM
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Starred and flagged! Great find. Wow, this is everything I've been thinking about for some time now, and more, I just know it's true.

It makes me want to say "Eureka"



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by enigmania
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Starred and flagged! Great find. Wow, this is everything I've been thinking about for some time now, and more, I just know it's true.

It makes me want to say "Eureka"



Me too, it just jumped out at me when I saw it.

Its everything the Film "What The Bleep: down the rabbit hole" tried to be, but compacted into a ten minute clip. And its much better and easier to understand than that film, which was kinda ruined by them including Ramtha in it, ie, A spirit Channeled by JZ Knight who was a Lemurian warrior who fought the Atlanteans over 35,000 years ago and led an army of over 2.5 million across the continents, conquering two thirds of the known world, which was going through cataclysmic geological changes.

Errrrrrr. Riiiggghhhtt.


This is much better.


[edit on 2-11-2008 by ZeuZZ]



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 08:06 AM
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I agree, "What the bleep" was at some points to pseudo-scientific, but it was a nice eye opener.

About Ramtha I have to say that I don't nessesarely take her stories seriously, but I've read "The White Book", and it was full of great insights and lessons, you just have look past the whole dreamy floaty presentation.

Anyways, I see that more and more people are starting to take interest in this, and I think we are truly on the brink of a major paradigm shift, at least I hope.

I know that my life has definately changed after realizing all this, and somehow it all makes sense.



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by enigmania
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I agree, "What the bleep" was at some points to pseudo-scientific, but it was a nice eye opener.


Totally agree. It just puzzles me why they would include Ramtha if they wanted to be taken seriously by anyone. I'm a pretty open minded guy, and I did spend some time pondering over her story, but even if it is true its nothing that could ever be proved anyway. Just something for the film to be attacked about.

The rest of the film was good and thought provoking for me, so good I uploaded a ten minute clip of all my favorite parts to youtube without the sometimes slightly dubious material, which is proving to be pretty popular; www.youtube.com...

Gotta love the philosophy of science
So many possibilities in Quantum physics to expalin so many enigmas.



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 09:18 AM
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lol, she totally ruined that movie. Everyone I know has said the same thing too. I just fast forward past her. If she can't be honest in her ideas without having to use image and claims to a "higher source that is channeled" then her ideas don't stand on their own.

It's like when you go to the alien forums. I go over there, and for some reason people claim to be in contact with aliens, and they talk about this perfect little socialist society. And how every argument you make against socialism is wrong because of the "alien element". If the ideas were worth a crap, it wouldn't need an image like aliens to try to get people to ignore the flaws.

Over and over it happens, and not just with aliens either. Just like the 2nd zeitgeist movie tries to use technology as the reason socialism is suddenly good. Which again has to be done to try and add credibility to an idea that can't stand on it's own.



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 09:34 AM
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lol, she totally ruined that movie. Everyone I know has said the same thing too. I just fast forward past her. If she can't be honest in her ideas without having to use image and claims to a "higher source that is channeled" then her ideas don't stand on their own.


In "What the bleep" she was just giving some views on reality and consciousness, she was not blabbing about aliens and past incarnations. It's probably your prejudice that made you fast forward it.

If you would read one of her books you would see how her ideas and views connect with Quantum Physics and Consciousness and the premise of this thread.

Besides, if all this Quantum/Consciousness stuff is possible, why would channeling and past lives not be possible?



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 09:58 AM
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Good movie, I wish they had put the other bill hicks quote at the end, but good anyway. Here's what I've learned however in my research and thoughts on "reality".

The universe is static. It has every single possibility side by side in what we called "other dimensions". The nearest reality is almost exactly like our current reality, with 1 tiny difference. The further away you get in that side by side dimensions, the more different each reality becomes. Eventually you get to the point where the next dimension is completely unlike the previous.

If you could see all of reality at once, it would be static. Time doesn't actually exist, because time is only created as an illusion of a limited perception.

As our perception of time is linear to our own experience, it feels like we are on a time line. Remember what I said above about the dimensions. We are unable to see the side by side dimensions. BUT, when we move across time it is exactly what I mentioned above. This second is almost exactly like the previous second, with only minor difference. You are actually constantly changing dimensions. That is what time is. Again, it only linear to our own perceptions. If that doesn't make sense, I can explain deeper.

3d, 4d and beyond. As the video mentions about stacking dimensions. 4d would be the closest 3d realities stacked on top of each other. So you see your keyboard in front of you. In 4d, your keyboard is the next n(number, not sure the exact number) of possibilities/realities. So if you could see all your next most current available possiblities, that would be 4d. You can also stack these possiblities higher, 4d stacks into 5d etc. These would be much much bigger jumps in "reality". 1 second your on earth, the next second you're on mars. Huge jump in the dimensions. Of course, all these things exist at once really, it's just a matter of which you consciously bring forward.

It's like watching a movie, or looking at the entire film at once. If you look at all the flim, the information is there, it's all static. It's not until you block part of the film, and then show different parts that the movie runs. It is then presented part by part in "time". Now, instead of it just being a single movie film. It is multiple films of the movie, each side by side of each other. With all possibilities being there. And then you move across those movies. As you are still viewing only 1 frame at a time, even though you choose and go across different films, it would still appear to you as linear. Make sense?

I learned all of this, and that is when I started to understand people like Jesus. Not to be confused with mainstream Christianity who worship false idols.

Because the question then becomes - what determines our path across these dimensions? And that would be the choices we make. The actions we take. Imagine right now that your arm is any all the possible places where you are sitting. Where is it now? Where you chose for it to be.

So how do you get to where you want to be, in a reality you want to be in? By your actions. Your own actions will lead you to different places. If you do bad things, you end up in a worse reality. Because that is what you are choosing to do, and so you get a reality where that is more common choice. To put it simply - Be the change you want to see.

If you look past the image of Jesus, and look to see the information he gives, he shows you the path of being that will lead to "heaven". All good stuff. What the church and the PTB have done, is they took his image and have decieved people into following and worshiping the image, and then they get people to do things that lead in other directions. They get people to war, destroy and so on. GWB certainly doesn't follow the path or Jesus does he? What does he follow? But yet he holds that symbolism up high. And how many times have we heard "Oh he's a christian". No he is not.

And Jesus isn't even the only person who has tried to tell people. He is the son of god, but so is everyone else. And he told people that(John 14:20). But the church and organized religion pushes his image up as being god, to give the perception that he is, and thus you aren't. And that you must serve and follow for it. Nonsense. Jesus taught people they were the authority.

It is impossible for free will to exist without all possibilities being available. Quit giving your free will away, and take a better look at what your actions are and what they lead too. It's easy to see on a smaller level, rob a bank and your reality goes to jail. Live by the sword, die by the sword. You will reap what you sow. etc.



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by enigmania
In "What the bleep" she was just giving some views on reality and consciousness, she was not blabbing about aliens and past incarnations. It's probably your prejudice that made you fast forward it.

If you would read one of her books you would see how her ideas and views connect with Quantum Physics and Consciousness and the premise of this thread.

Besides, if all this Quantum/Consciousness stuff is possible, why would channeling and past lives not be possible?


It surely is possible, and that's not even the point. The point is that when you need to make claims as a way of credibility on your ideas, then you are by default deceiving people. If I claim I am god, and you believe me and then you think anything I say is right because of it, then I am decieving you. If I am right, I am right even if I do not make the claim of being god.

It's a common thing for people to do. When their ideas can't stand on their own, they pull in "credibility" for some reason. Isn't that exactly what mainstream christians and other religions do? "Why is that right"? "Because god said so".

It's always a cop out and what people resort to when they can't deal with the criticism. Her ideas may be good, but if they are they can stand on their own without the alien claim.

[edit on 2-11-2008 by badmedia]



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 11:15 AM
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It's always a cop out and what people resort to when they can't deal with the criticism. Her ideas may be good, but if they are they can stand on their own without the alien claim.


Her ideas stand on their own, and the socalled "alien" claim is just the thing you, and others focus on.

It is not even an alien claim, she claims to channel a old human spirit wich has ascended from 3d reality.

Just goes to show how well informed you are about her.

I do agree with most of what you said in your other post, though.



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by enigmania
Her ideas stand on their own, and the socalled "alien" claim is just the thing you, and others focus on.

It is not even an alien claim, she claims to channel a old human spirit wich has ascended from 3d reality.

Just goes to show how well informed you are about her.

I do agree with most of what you said in your other post, though.


I seen stuff of hers, it was like a church and she was the preacher. I watched it anyway, I usually do. Even when people lie in their claims and such, I still try to look for the truth in what is being said, might learn something anyway. Doesn't mean I still agree with the perception however.

But I am always skeptical of anyone who needs to bring in idols and such as the authority. It's just not trustworthy, and as I mentioned most of the time the person uses it as a way of deceiving. The idol isn't the truth, the idol only carries the truth.

I actually didn't know about her until after I seen the movie. Pretty sure my friends didn't either, as they would have mentioned that I would think. What I didn't care for was how general her things were, and not really scientific or philosophical most of the time. Just things like "Love is all" and it's all "So wonderful" and other really generalized statements. Would have been a better movie without her. Especially in terms of close minded peoples minds.

Also, 3d and 4d are simply things of perceptions. You ARE a 4d and higher being yourself. You exist in all those dimensions now, it's just our perception which is stuck in 3d, as we are usually stuck in reality as being what the senses provide. In 4d(and higher) you are just able to see(experience maybe?) all the possibilities at once. It's not really separate from us.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 06:24 PM
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It is easy to assume that a small change in our illusion creating device (the brain) could bring us forth to original reality and not illusion.

Would this show why people experience aliens as being so telepathic? We are all connected have "they" figured out how to use this connection..

I don't know about many of you but I have a sense that all life on this planet is on a verge of awakening like a soft thought in my mind that stirs more and more as "time" progresses.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 07:14 PM
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You may find my thread food for thought on the subject of your post??

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Your Opionions please...

Thanks.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 12:20 AM
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well i don't know who rathma is, but there was only one woman in that video and she was sitting with her mouth shut wanting to be somewhere else. the male perspective sees reality as some sort of mysterious place where things are always one step away from being impregnated.

don't run too far from your woman, you ain't the stallion you once were.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 12:28 AM
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really this is nothing more than the age old question "if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it does it make a sound"

well of course it does.. the folly of this idea, including this video, is putting a measurable importance on human observation

we do not live in a human centered universe, it exists whether we observe it or not

we are not that important

Ret



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 01:29 AM
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If only more people were aware that we create our own reality. If this was the case we could produce some notable changes to the human psyche. But too many people are trapped in their little box to ever realise the power our thoughts and perceptions have on the world.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 02:06 AM
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Originally posted by retzius
really this is nothing more than the age old question "if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it does it make a sound"

well of course it does.. the folly of this idea, including this video, is putting a measurable importance on human observation

we do not live in a human centered universe, it exists whether we observe it or not

we are not that important

Ret


I love that riddle. It shows the truth of this.

NO, the tree does NOT make a sound. Because there is no ear to convert the waves into sound.

The tree simply creates "waves" over many different frequencies. These waves travel into the ear canal, which then vibrate the ear drum. That is what actually creates sound.

If the tree created "sound" itself, then deaf people would hear it. And that is the truth of what you call "reality". We are only aware of what our senses provide for.

These things like what we see and hear are merely electrical waves in the brain. And those are used to produce the images/reality we see.

The ultimate question is - to whom/what are these conversions made for. Why do these things get converted into electrical signals only to be converted again to present our reality to us?

The truth is, we have never seen or heard reality.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 02:20 AM
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Awesome video ZeuZZ. Thanks for posting this- I wish I could give more than one star and flag...

This subject is most important in understanding who and what we are. Truly it is...And once you've grasped it, you know you've found the truth.. and you then begin to realize that our "reality" is just a figment of our imaginations, it's that holographic picture we "see" in our heads. We then manifest this mental image into the physical realm... Look out your window- that was all born out of our mind-

and what is the mind? I'm mean think about that- what powers our mind- what feeds it? what's it made of? what enables us to "see" things that are not "physically" there? Is it not consciousness? That has to be what powers our minds- it powers everything-

In the video (if I understood correctly) it was said that matter, at its most quantum level, is made up of particles that are reacting in relation (vibration) with each other... so as I see it then, they are aware of each other... so if awareness is consciousness, and the act of being in relation with something else is having an awareness (or being conscious) of that something else- then it can be said that even at the most quantum levels of the universe (which we exist in) consciousness is the binding force...

And if you believe (like I do) that the universe (or multiverse) is scalar in nature, then it's consciousness that binds the universe; not gravity or plasma or what have you-- its relationships with one another- systems working in unison- awareness of other bodies-

Our evolution as a species has always been about the evolution of consciousness... the development of being aware that you're aware...we are reaching the end of this evolution and returning to that state of one...

Take the internet- the "world wide web"- for instance- what has this awesome technology allowed us as a species to do? -For the first time ever on this planet we can now interconnect our minds on a global scale- I can communicate my consciousness with some one elses on the other side of the planet, instantly-- now consciousness can be shared globally, and evolve globally--

We are returning to our roots- that oneness- And that oneness (IMO)has to be consciousness... because in order for something to exist, there has to be an awareness of it...


edit to add:

I wrote this post then I saw this video for the first time when I went and explored the other you tube links associated with the OP video-- amazing,


[edit on 4-11-2008 by PhotonEffect]



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 02:33 AM
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Very much so. Out of curiosity, since learning all this stuff. Have you tried to read the things Jesus(and others like him) said and see if they make more sense? That was one of the biggest eye openers to me. Once you realize what you mentioned, the entire world suddenly appears differently.

John 14:20 talks exactly about the "oneness".

www.biblegateway.com...



17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.


This chapter tells exactly what happened to me in my awakening. Truly amazing it's been hidden as such by people focusing and worshiping the idol(Jesus) rather than the message(truth).

Just kind of curious if you also gained such understandings as well?




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