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Have 9-11 debunkers ever tried to debunk the government's official story? (rant in thread)

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posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 01:35 AM
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The word 'debunk' seems to be the most popular word used the last couple of years. I've come across several people that claim they are able to debunk all these so called theories that surrond the events of 9-11.

I'm just wondering if these 9-11 'debunkers' have ever tried to debunk the governmnet's official story of 9-11 without creating thier own theories and speculations that help thier argument.

It really sickens me that these 9-11 'debunkers' are going out of thier way to defend the people that sold us the quote-on-quote "OFFICIAL" explination as to what happened on 9-11, but at the same time have never concidered that there are several holes in this complex explination.

If anything, the 9-11 debunkers (after evaluating what the conspiracy theorists suggest) should be alarmed at the complete and total failure our government is accountable for on the events of 9-11.

Are we suppose to except that the INS, FAA, CIA, FBI, NORAD, Presidential Administration, and media failed to such an extent that this mess was allowed to happen? If that's the case, then America is no way in hell the most powerful country in the world... not by a long shot.... If thier true objective is to protect it's citizens. Because if none of these so called thoeries are true... Then we truley are a nation full of morons, and it only takes a few radical muslims and a few million dollars to bring about a horrific event like 9-11.




So with that said... I'll give my top 5 questions for 9-11 'debunkers'.


5.) Why is it so important for the Pentagon to keep the flight 77 videos classified?

4.)



Do you really think this Osama Bin Laden?




3.) Are you convinced that Flight 93 crashed the way it did without a shadow of a doubt? Are you atleast willing to concider the possibility that it was shot down?

2.)



What does Normen Menetta's testimony mean to you? In your own words please.


1.) If you are convinced that America was totally caught off-guard with 9-11, how do you feel about you president sitting in a classroom full of children and his own secret service did not escort him out of the class room? Or better yet, Does Operation Northwooods concern you?

I can go on and on... But let me sum it up with this question for 9-11 debunkers...

Do you honestly believe not one person within any agency in our governmnet knew that something was going to happen on 9-11-2001?











Let me say this... You fool me once, Shame on you... Fool me twice....Ya see you've already fooled me so I can't be fooled again.

Thanks for the advice Bush.

My point is... 9-11 debunkers are defending a governmnet that has already lied over and over to us.






I expect zero replies in this thread from the debunkers.




posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 01:44 AM
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Addendum:





debunkers I have one last question... Do you want to agree with Bush (considered the worst president ever BTW) on this idea?


Don't ever tollerate conspiracy thoeries.



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 06:33 AM
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Have 9-11 debunkers ever tried to debunk the government's official story?

The word 'debunk' seems to be the most popular word used the last couple of years. I've come across several people that claim they are able to debunk all these so called theories that surrond the events of 9-11.

I'm just wondering if these 9-11 'debunkers' have ever tried to debunk the governmnet's official story of 9-11 without creating thier own theories and speculations that help thier argument.

No. That would be unthinkable. Almost sacriligious. Our government god is not to be questioned. Ever. Our government god is here to comfort us and coddle us, and heal us when we are sick, and defend us from the oppressors, and uplift the broken-hearted, and wipe away our tears, and punish those who get greedy and start stuffing too much taxpayer loot in their deep deep pockets, and punish those who send our guys off to endless no-win wars. Our government god would never harm us and do evil unto us.

How can you be so insensitive? You must be one of those dastardly 9-11 Truthers, or one of those paranoid persons who still whine about Waco and Oklahoma City and Flight 800. You should be locked away forever by our government god, where you can do no more harm and say no more mean nasty things; for your own good of course.




[edit on 11/2/08 by SPreston]



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 07:20 AM
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posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 07:36 AM
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Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
The word 'debunk' seems to be the most popular word used the last couple of years.


Debunk...or remove the bunk.


I'm just wondering if these 9-11 'debunkers' have ever tried to debunk the governmnet's official story of 9-11.......


Yes. I HATE George Bush with a passion. I really do. But I was unable to prove a LIHOP or a MIHOP


It really sickens me that these 9-11 'debunkers' are going out of thier way to defend the people ....


I am not defending anyone. If you are going to accuse someone of mass murder. You gotta get your story straight and your ducks in a row.(evidence) The truth movement has not done either.


If anything, the 9-11 debunkers (after evaluating what the conspiracy theorists suggest) should be alarmed at the complete and total failure our government is accountable for on the events of 9-11.


I am still concerned. There are things that are still not in place to prevent another attack. However, this has nothing to do with rants from the TM.


Are we suppose to except that the INS, FAA, CIA, FBI, NORAD, Presidential Administration, and media failed to such an extent that this mess was allowed to happen?



NORAD didn't fail. But yes...the rest of them did. I agree.



5.) Why is it so important for the Pentagon to keep the flight 77 videos classified?


There are no videos that show Flight 77 hitting the pentagon. (besides the security gate through the fisheye lens.




4.)

Do you really think this Osama Bin Laden?


Yes, I do. Do you have any proof that this isn't? Are there any professionals in identification that have come forward to say..."not him"



3.) Are you convinced that Flight 93 crashed the way it did without a shadow of a doubt? Are you atleast willing to concider the possibility that it was shot down?


I did consider the shoot down theory. I actually believed it for about a year post 911. The abundance of evidence proves it was not shot down.



2.)

What does Normen Menetta's testimony mean to you? In your own words please.


The man got his times confused. I ask that you go here You will find a great time line...a very thorough explanation of Mr. Mineta.


1.) I how do you feel about you president sitting in a classroom full of children and his own secret service did not escort him out of the class room? Or better yet, Does Operation Northwooods concern you?


Personally, I would have removed him from the classroom. The S.S. is into have a "secured area." But, to keep him in the school was not in my opinion a good choice. This does not however show he was in on it.

Operation Northwoods was rejected.




Do you honestly believe not one person within any agency in our governmnet knew that something was going to happen on 9-11-2001?


It is very possible that someone may have received some intel. Could it have been hand waved? Lost in the bureaucratic BS? Ignored and dismissed by egocentric idiots? Yup. Again, I can't prove it. Even if I could, I would be unable to prove that this would be considered a LIHOP or even criminal negligence.




I expect zero replies in this thread from the debunkers.


Well, you got at least one.

[edit on 11/2/0808 by ThroatYogurt]



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by ThroatYogurt

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
The word 'debunk' seems to be the most popular word used the last couple of years.


But I was unable to prove a LIHOP or a MIHOP




The key words in your sentance was "I was UNABLE to"

Other people have no problem tearing apart the official story. You have high up officials, firemen, police, civil works, engineers have all provided evidence that contradicts the official story.

If you are having a hard time understanding the facts, u2u me and I will try to put it in easier terms for you.


Your hopes in making people think there is no conspiracy is falling on blind eyes.
Your inatibility to understand the facts is quite evident in all your posts that defend the official story with out evidence.

I once believed in Santa.....

[edit on 2-11-2008 by IvanZana]



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by IvanZana


Other people have no problem tearing apart the official story. You have high up officials, firemen, police, civil works, engineers have all provided evidence that contradicts the official story.

If you are having a hard time understanding the facts, u2u me and I will try to put it in easier terms for you.




Not one person has succeded in tearing apart the offical story. You are included. You have a hard time with facts sir. We have posted U2U's in the past. You ignored them or just send laughing faces. I know what you are all about Ivan.



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 08:51 AM
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Dble post, to quick on the button


[edit on 2-11-2008 by IvanZana]



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by IvanZana

When thoudands of users and professional have all proven you wrong time and time again THROATYOGURT. Most people already have you on ignore, i think we will do the same.


You have NEVER proven me wrong. I encourage you to show me one post where I was wrong in response to you.

You have failed again. Go back to your other thread where I point out your 10 failures that you REFUSED to even acknowledge.

You will put ME on ignore because I have exposed all your shortcomings on your posts.



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 08:56 AM
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Your hopes in making people think there is no conspiracy is falling on blind eyes.
Your inatibility to understand the facts is quite evident in all your posts that defend the official story with out evidence.

I once believed in Santa.....


You have failed to provide one shred of evidence that supports the official story.

When thoudands of users and professional have all proven you wrong time and time again THROATYOGURT. Most people already have you on ignore, i think we will do the same.

I gave you a chance to redeem yourself after a couple of your last disrespecting posts towards the families and victims of 911 but you still continue to insult the dead while attemtpting to thwart any type of rational, respectful converstation and sharing of ideas on great forums such as ATS with name calling ,ad hominen attacks, straw man arguments.

The truth movement is growing and growing. If your job is stop that, heck, that's like a jellyfish trying to stop the tides of the ocean.



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 09:05 AM
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I responded to this above. For some reason you deleted your post and re-posted it??



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 09:13 AM
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over 1 billion people do not believe the u.s administration and its low intelligence version of why they had a reason to kill or hurt 100's of thousands of innocent humans and children in Iraq and Afghanistan in the name of 9/11 which I might add has been proven to be started under falsified pretenses.

So throat, really, give up. I smile everyday knowing I do Gods will on forums fighting for the victims of 911. I am just his hands and we always win.



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by IvanZana
over 1 billion people do not believe the u.s administration and its low intelligence version of why they had a reason to kill or hurt 100's of thousands of innocent humans and children in Iraq and Afghanistan in the name of 9/11 which I might add has been proven to be started under falsified pretenses.


I never said I agreed with the war in Iraq.


So throat, really, give up. I smile everyday knowing I do Gods will on forums fighting for the victims of 911. I am just his hands and we always win.


It's Sunday... you are breaking one of the 10 Commandments. "Keep Holy the Sabbath Day."



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by Doomsday 2029


5.) Why is it so important for the Pentagon to keep the flight 77 videos classified?



I imagine it has something to do with the military being absolutely unwilling to allow video of the deaths of DoD personnel to be put on youtube so that their enemies could get a laugh and shout "... be PRAISED!" in front of their PCs. There was no way to stop the towers being videoed of course, but that doesn't mean they automatically follow suit, not by a long shot. It comes under "giving comfort to the enemy". Also, the DoD don't consider themselves in any way obliged to inform the public about their reasons for anything, and making them publically accountable for internal decisions and operations would be an impossibility not to mention that by its very nature defense is based on secrecy.




4.)
Do you really think this Osama Bin Laden?



I do, but then again I don't base my reasons for being at odds with Truther theories (for the most part) on videos.





3.) Are you convinced that Flight 93 crashed the way it did without a shadow of a doubt? Are you atleast willing to concider the possibility that it was shot down?


Yes, because it has never been necessary or unnecessary for it to be shot shot down for a conspiracy to be proved or not.

Shot down = Defence could confirm that - at least in the case of 93 - they were able to prevent one of the planes from reaching its target (preventing many more lives lost).

I agree, there are reasons why, if they shot it down, they may not admit that they shot it down. Seen in the overall context of the attacks though, I think there are far MORE compelling reasons why they would confirm that they had shot it down if they had.



2.)

What does Normen Menetta's testimony mean to you? In your own words please.



I think it's clear he came in in the middle of Cheney's bunker decision group, and that he got the times mixed up. Why? Do you think Cheney would have the Secretary of Transportation just sitting in there at the table while he committed the crime of the century? Don't you think if he was doing that he would want as few people as possible to be around?





Do you honestly believe not one person within any agency in our governmnet knew that something was going to happen on 9-11-2001?




Good question, and difficult to answer. If they did know, then they failed to attribute it the importance it deserved(understatement), and also it would be in line with the competitive nature of the agencies between one another.






[edit on 2-11-2008 by undermind]



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 10:53 AM
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People still think 9/11 was an 'inside job'?



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 10:58 AM
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[edit on 2-11-2008 by undermind]



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by ThroatYogurt

4.)

Do you really think this Osama Bin Laden?

Yes, I do. Do you have any proof that this isn't? Are there any professionals in identification that have come forward to say..."not him"



This is where I have a problem... A low quality video tape of a man that doesn't even look like Osama Bin Laden is enough evidence for the Government to justify a reason to go into Afghanistan and set up a military base.

This is enough proof for you?

You still think the video tape that was released by the media four days before the 2004 election was real? Wasn't it perfecting timing? That video tape helped the Bush Administration get into the White House a second term.

If you can sit there and say that this all the evidence you need to convict some guy in a cave of the biggest attack on American soil.... Then America is lost.



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 01:32 PM
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Actually, several prominent "debunkers" have in fact raised questions about parts of the OS.

Frank Greening, considered to be a debunker by many troofers, has raised questions about some aspects of the collapses/causes of WTC 1 and 2. However, he does NOT consider 9/11 to be an inside job.

There's a fire engineering firm that raises doubts about some aspects about how much responsibility for the collapses are attributable to the impact damage vs fire effects. They believe that the fires had a bigger effect than NIST gives it. However, they too do not consider 9/11 to be an inside job.

Guys like Ryan Mackey have questioned some aspects of NIST's explanations, but doesn't believe 9/11 was an inside job.

Ron Paul, while not really a debunker, also has questions, and would like another investigation. From what I've read, his questions center on how our foreign policies resulted in Muslim extremists "doing" 9/11. And he has questions about the intelligence failures that lead up to 9/11. However, he also doesn't believe that 9/11 was an inside job. In fact, on Chris Matthews show, when asked about troofers grabbing onto his coattails, he described troofer theories as "absurd" and "bizarre".

This is the scientific method at its best. They have tried to debunk the OS, and have found small holes/questions.... but they understand that the OS hypothesis is the best.



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 02:00 PM
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That video of Bin Laden is great


Just shows the lengths the conspirators are prepared to go to perpetuate the lie.



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 02:33 PM
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NIST can't fool Galileo.

www.youtube.com...

Bring popcorn when the war criminals are frog marched into The Hague.




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