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Originally posted by HankMcCoy
Originally posted by lifeform
my point is wether they are real or not, people have these experiences and they are real to them. lets try to understand them and find out what causes them. they can happen to anybody at any moment, even disbelievers as it did that night i mentioned.
But in trying to find out what happens, you are saying to completely disregard the idea that the human mind could be fabricating the entire thing? Talk about Denying Ignorance!
Originally posted by Circle
Originally posted by SkepticalSteve
reply to post by calihan123
The proof is all around you. Abduction accounts are all over the place and there is an overwhelming stack of evidence to support it. The parameters for scientific validation are already in place and have been exercised by Professor Mack and Ellison and Persinger. Have you read any of Nick Redfern's books on government and military involvement in ET encounters? How about going to the CSETI Disclosure Project or checked out Springer's investigation of alien implants?
What you might consider illness in outlook is another person's enlightenment. Abductees are so far in advance of todays world consciousness that it could be argued that we living our own witch-hunt.
[edit on 2-11-2008 by Circle]
True, abduction accounts are common, however I disagree that a mountain of supportive evidence exists. This does not mean that I don't believe that these abductions are happening-- just that I can't say for certain one way or the other. What parameters for validation are you speaking of? From everything I've read (including those you mentioned), no such parameters exist but what DOES exist, is a sincere and genuine interest in searching for evidence, as well as possible alternative explanations for genuine signs of trauma on the part of abductees and experiencers.
Perhaps the deepest regret I have about the whole topic is the fact that Prof. Mack was killed before he could complete his analysis. He admitted to believing that something "profound" had happened to the people he studied but that he could not say for certain what that was. He was open to the possibility that these abductions were real to be sure but Harvard was also home to another lab which expressed completely the opposite viewpoint. I have also read Clancy's studies and found them to be overly simplistic, and poorly-designed (to be fair to both sides of the issue).
As for everything else out there on the subject, I continue to read whatever I can get my hands on. I am intensely curious about the subject and I would really like to know the truth. I have unanswered questions of my own, in addition to a sympathetic attitude towards those who find themselves in a similar situation. I suppose you could say that I'm open to the possibility that abductions occur but I have not seen any definitive proof to support this conjecture. In fact, I strongly suspect that if such a thing was happening, proof would be very hard to come by. If we really are dealing with an alien entity, the likelihood that we would be able to make sense of it, is virtually zilch. Our "forensics rule book" would have to be re-written entirely! How would we even begin to know what to look for as evidence that "they" were here?