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Originally posted by Acidtastic
reply to post by fmcanarney
yes,we all get called names,but some of those people who start out calling other kids names,20 years later,end up going on to then batter them sensless in a dark alley,because of this inbuilt hate they have for gay people/anyone with a different skin colour/religious belief. Surely it's better to at least try and stop these future prejudiced based attacks,then to just say "oh don't worry about being called a poofter/paki/retard everyone gets called names" That's the lazy,don't give a s# option. And it doesn't actually address anything.
I've been physically attacked,for leaving a gay pub,I had to defend myself (and luckily I can,due to a life time of getting grief) I hate violence,and these scum dragged me down to their level. If this scheme can prevent just one more person from getting a good kicking for NO GOOD REASON then who the hell are you to be "morally outraged" Sure,this moral outrage may well stem from all this political correctness gorn maaaaad society we all live in,but at the end of the day,we all should have the right to live without fear. And it starts in the classroom,so that's where it should be stopped aswell.
Originally posted by fmcanarney
First of all, I believe that fat people choose to eat too much food. Their current excuse is they were born that way.
Second, I believe that nature decided your sex, by way of plumbing, as either male or femals. That you were born that way.
Third, only a male + female can have sexual intercourse, which ensures procreation and furtherence of the species.
Fourth, Choosing an alternative to the plumbing you were born with is not "natural".
Fifth, the GLBTH, also claim they were born that way. Genes or Heredity.
Sixth, being born black, or red, or white, is a product of genes. GLBTH is not, as it is a choice, birthed from curiosity, in response to pleasure, or the avoidance of pain.
Seventh, having k-garten sign cards is in fact stimulating their curosity.
Eight, that is recruitment.
And if the teacher had explained those terms to the children? So you didn't have to say "sometimes two men live together like your mommy and I do"?
"Ally" seems like a pretty good word for a kindergartener to learn, actually.
But I don't think the people who are offended by this would be equally offended if it had been an oath card to not judge or make fun of others based on their religious affiliation.
But the hatred towards gays is already being taught, and the children are already using words that refer to gays as generalized insults. That they don't understand sexuality is beside the point.
No flames, just thoughts
Originally posted by TheRedneck
I don't think it is the teacher's place to explain this type of thing; it is the parent's. And that is for a very good reason: so children this young don't get the whole sexuality thing thrown at them before they are mentally able to handle it. Most children even a few years older than this can get grossed out by Mommy and Daddy kissing, so why should they be taught about the even more 'yucky' things that come afterward?
Originally posted by StevenDye
Okay, I want to ask two questions of everyone in this thread...
Were you ever 5?
If you answered yes did you actually have a childhood?
Because I know at 5 years old in school I used to play kiss chase, and I knew that if a girl was 'it' you ran an awful lot slower than if a boy was 'it'. Why? Because i only ever saw straight couples...
Now, you want to tell me that this card could turn children gay, well are you not doing the exact same thing as straight people? If at 5 a child knows that he should like girls, then why should he know that some boys also like boys. (the opposites for girls of course)
Oh, and if you answered that you were never 5..... ....umm, good luck with that.
Don't let words have power over you. It is pretty simple. Look at my name...do you think i mind the word "fat"? Nope, and i have usurped any chance of power it may have over me by freely using it.
A child of four or five. Do you remember what your children were like at that age ? Do you remember their astonishing innocence
I would have sued any teacher who had imposed her agenda re: sex upon my children when they were that age.
Yet again, why would we be talking about the "even more 'yucky' things that come after?" It is easy to teach children that gays exist without going into the joys of anal sex (or cunnilingus, fellatio, etcetera). If a child asked a teacher "why do men and women get married?" they wouldn't answer with a description of hetero sex.