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School Clams Up on 'Gay' Pledge Cards Given to Kindergartners

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posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by fmcanarney
jzesu,
Empathy? How about empathy for a classroom full of five year olds who are being "recruited" by an adult, by passing out gay pledge cards?




They can all have my empathy. Where is this classroom of kids being "recruited?" I have read this whole thread and not seen any evidence of any school recruiting kids to be gay. Where is that happening?




posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by fmcanarney


After drug ed classes the students use more drugs, after sex ed classes, the incidence of teen pregnancy rises.



Care to back that up. Abstinence only schools and homes have led to a rise in STDs and teen pregnancy. Sarah Palin anyone? Since when does sex ed lead to a rise in pregnancy and drug ed lead to a rise in drug use.

People sure do like to just say stuff here for no reason at all and hope that everyone just believes it. Is there a reason that we do not deal with facts and things we can prove?



posted on Nov, 11 2008 @ 12:25 AM
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Yes, because when diverse groups of people come to the same conclusions when observing the same phenomenon, even peoples separated by oceans and language barriers, it can only be because someone made up the original conclusions and the rest of these stole it. The possibility that they came to the same conclusions more or less independently when observing the same phenomenon is outside the realm of possibility a person who chooses acceptance and emotional bondage or observation and analysis.

If reality doesn't work out the way you want it to you leap to blame lies and covert plots. Congratulations, you'll fit right in here.



posted on Nov, 11 2008 @ 12:36 AM
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Did you even read the study you referenced?



Anxiety has been shown to enhance arousal and erection,' and so it is also possible that 'a response to homosexual stimuli [in these men] is a function of the threat condition rather than sexual arousal per se. These competing notions can and should be evaluated by future research.'


No really? A change in blood pressure caused by stress or anger can affect a part of the body that's mostly vascular tissue? It must be hidden, repressed homosexuality because Freud's other theories have proven to be oh-so-accurate thus far



posted on Nov, 11 2008 @ 12:46 AM
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There was a recent study that showed that sexy television shows were related to higher instances of teen pregnancies in girls who watch them. Exposure to behavior leads to imitated behavior. Today, sex and drug education in school are a laughable influence when compared the sex and drug behavior that is portrayed( positively) on television, in music, and on the internet. You don't think that this has an effect on children's sexual behavior and drug habits?

Can you understand now why some parents take offense to their children being exposed to certain influences, including the aforementioned and homosexuality? When a parent shields their child from these influences from television, the internet, and music they tend to focus their attention on schools, where children are exposed to sexual information before leaving elementary school. Or do you think that people should go out and buy their 4 year old a hardcore porno because exposure never hurt anyone?

[edit on 11-11-2008 by Epinephrine]



posted on Nov, 11 2008 @ 01:54 AM
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I guess if you just plain ignore the facts and distort the truth it all makes plenty of sense. I know all about the study. Now tell me, was your sex ed class anything like the show "gossip girl?" Mine sure was not. Sex on TV and sex ed are not the same thing so to blame one for the fault of another is basically a lie. As well as you provided no proof to back up your claim about sex or drugs. You simply pointed to another study about another topic. Good job!



posted on Nov, 11 2008 @ 06:13 AM
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Lucifer=Angel of Light=Fallen angel.
Interesting screen name, almost as good as Jesus misspelling.

Tha pathetic begging of five year olds to stop calling HLTGB names.

Never heard of womens equal rights doing this.
Never heard of black group doing this.
Never heard of disablity group doing this.

Because there is nothing that a woman, black or disabled person could do to recruit.
Being black, disabled or woman means there is not a choice in the condition you are in, born that way. Therefore women, black, disability cannot recruit. It is a matter that nature decided.

LGHBT, it is a matter of choice. Therefore they are recruiting under the false flag of extinguishing "hate thought, and hate actions"




[edit on 11-11-2008 by fmcanarney]



posted on Nov, 11 2008 @ 01:11 PM
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Well now to be technical yes someone who is not disabled or female can become one. I'm not too sure about someone being able to become black if they weren't born black, but Michael Jackson was able to change his appearance to look white so I would imagine it is probably possible to cause darkening of the skin as well. I am not currently disabled, but I could walk out the door right now and get hit by a car, have a tree fall on me, etc. and I would then probably be disabled. A man can decide to become a female if he has the desire, and money, to become one. While his genes may not change, for all intents and purposes he will in fact be female after the surgery and rounds of hormones are completed.


edit to fix a word.

[edit on 11-11-2008 by Jenna]



posted on Nov, 11 2008 @ 03:10 PM
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I kind of figured I would hear from you about this inability to change from being a black to non black, from female to male, and from disabled to non disabled. Because this was the form I presented it in.

Just like you refuted the primary purpose of hand, foot, mouth, sexual organ as well.

Yes I can make myself disabled, if my eyes are a problem, then I could pluck them out, or my hand causes issues, cut it off.

And while I will restate that woman, disabled, black cannot recruit and so their primary purpose for a pledge card would be legitimate. Even though none of those groups has ever disseminated a campaign directed at five year olds to stop calling them names.

The GHLTB crowd is entirely different. They can and do recruit.

Non normal, (other than sexual intercourse), use of sexual organs becomes addictive, as does pornography, masturbation, bondage, SM, and other deviances. Use for other than intended purpose will increase lust and addiction to that lust.

By the way, the point was choice and recruitment, not some minutia of technical trivialities that you replied to.

edit for last sentence.

[edit on 11-11-2008 by fmcanarney]



posted on Nov, 11 2008 @ 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by Epinephrine
No really? A change in blood pressure caused by stress or anger can affect a part of the body that's mostly vascular tissue? It must be hidden, repressed homosexuality because Freud's other theories have proven to be oh-so-accurate thus far


lol, yah I gave you a bunch of studies, no doubt they are going to make a least one comment on an alternative possibility.

Don't take this the wrong way man, but you don't have to be afraid, and you don't have to be ashamed.

The world is going to become increasingly more enlightened.

And the world is either going to become increasingly scary and disturbing to you, or increasingly accepting and rational.

It all depends on how you look at it.

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Also, in regard to the whole "recruiting" thing. This leads me to believe that you think people can be "changed" into homosexuals or it is some kind of choice.

Could you "decide" to be homosexual if you wanted to?

Because if the answer is yes....maybe your bi...


[edit on 11-11-2008 by Jezus]



posted on Nov, 11 2008 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by Jezus

Could you "decide" to be homosexual if you wanted to?

Because if the answer is yes....maybe your bi...


[edit on 11-11-2008 by Jezus]


Did you miss it? He said that he used to be gay. He was once gay and chose to stop being gay. So, obviously, he is a liar.


Originally posted by Epinephrine


Having previously been gay how can I not "know the pain that this way of thought causes others"?



[edit on 11-11-2008 by angel of lightangelo]



posted on Nov, 11 2008 @ 07:42 PM
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It sounds like you'd rather I were gay than straight, even though I'm much happier since becoming straight. If that's not politically-driven bigotry that proves that you do not truly believe in the idea of "live and let live" and "let people do what makes them happy and stay out of others' business" then I don't know what is.

I cured myself of delusional and hallucinatory psychosis(including paranoid delusions and deep case of the stereotypical "universal love" bliss) by learning to identify my neurotransmitter levels by means of identifying their symptoms. I would have been able to accept myself as a gay but I turned this biological awareness on the sexual question while trying to see if there was some truth to ex-gay claims.


Answer me this:

Why is it that most gays would applaud a person for radically altering their body to have a sex change to be at peace with themselves and feel happy but when a person with a gay history becomes straight, marries or dates the opposite gender, etc they are accused of denying who they really are and hurting themselves and are worthy of hatred, disgust, and ridicule?

If gays weren't socially liberal or democrats, homosexuality would be a mental illness and a crime. End of story.



posted on Nov, 11 2008 @ 07:52 PM
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I have no problem discussing and debating hypothetical but this is too personal and I'm not going to pretend to be a counselor or a psychologist.

You're on your own journey man, you have to come to your own conclusions, I wish you luck.

Do whatever makes you happy, be positive, and never let anyone make you feel bad about who you are.


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"People are ruled by fear" is a very good point...

[edit on 11-11-2008 by Jezus]



posted on Nov, 11 2008 @ 07:57 PM
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Then stop trying to paint me as evil or "unenlightened" for not being gay.
Or better yet, answer my question regarding why transexuals are praised yet people who only change their sexuality are scorned.

[edit on 11-11-2008 by Epinephrine]



posted on Nov, 11 2008 @ 08:21 PM
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2 Timothy 3: 1-7
Perilous Times and Perilous Men
1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.



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posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 08:22 AM
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I never once accused you of being gay so don't protest too much or with too much indignation at the thought of being accused of being gay
What I said was that it seemed you would prefer that I were gay, meaning that you have a preference regarding my sexuality and that this preference was politically motivated. You have a "live and let live" attitude that only applies towards people that live as you think they should which reaffirms to me the idea that gays are only supported by liberals and democrats because gays, as a group, are inclined towards liberal political views and voting for democrats. If gays were predominantly republican, gays would lose all liberal support and compassion.

The difference between my personal approach and religious ex-gay groups is that I studied my body and compared the gay and straight mental and biological states in order to look for the root cause and potential triggers of sexuality. Religious groups seem to stimulate initial heterosexual states and then rely on religious faith to deal with the stress of and ride out any future gay states. I am highly critical of the methods of religious anti-gay groups but I believe that with study a refined, religion-free therapy could be developed that has a higher success rate.

I have not lied nor do I have any connection to any religious ex-gay ministry and their infamous failures. Comparing me to them when I have honestly and openly shared my experiences shows that you do not care for the truth but that you would rather attempt to hold true the party line and pro-gay propaganda.



posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by Epinephrine
Religious groups seem to stimulate initial heterosexual states and then rely on religious faith to deal with the stress of and ride out any future gay states.


See the thing is, only homosexuals or bisexuals have the need to "ride out any future gay states".

But the point is...it isn't a bad thing unless YOU THINK it is.



posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 09:22 AM
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Good Morning, everyone...

The topic this morning is, unless I totally misread the title of the thread, "School Clams Up on 'Gay' Pledge Cards Given to Kindergartners". Not each other.

It really isn't that hard to be civil to each other. Having said that, the civility starts now. Get back on topic, leave each other out of it, and discuss the topic at hand like mature adults.

Thank you.



posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 09:36 AM
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I was criticizing their flawed methods, not the idea of therapy to treat homosexuality.

The common theme with people who have successfully treated their homosexuality is that it seems to take years to make a complete conversion. If hormones are truly a major factor in homosexuality then it makes sense that it would take years for the hormones to completely change the body and rewire the brain, like the years that humans go through puberty or that transexuals are on hormones to alter their bodies.

Young, prepubescent children should not be exposed to homosexuality or specifically taught that they need to support homosexuals. At best, this is overt political manipulation of children. At worst, this is gay recruitment.

Give your boys zinc supplements before they hit puberty


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