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is this NASA video Proof that E.T.'s are trying to contact us ?

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posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 03:44 PM
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Its dissappointing and a little ironic that the guy Stubbs is releasing his footage to "members and viewers" of that TBLN station.

The whole concept is that everyone has a right to know, which he should bear in mind applies to HIM as well as the secret societies. Keeping the footage and releasing it only to people who pay equates to doing the very same thing that NASAs rulers have been doing.

The truth doesnt belong any more to him than it does to them. When will humanity ever learn?




posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 04:06 PM
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yea i agree that it is a little ironic and dissapointing to hear that it will be released to the station.

it seems that there is no escaping the money factor when it comes to things like this. it is possible that if he did release them to the general public the rights to any of it would probably be taken from him and he would have been bamboozled out of any compansation that would be due to him.

so i think it's not entirely his fault for cashing in so to say and someone is going to make money off it and it might as well be him i guess.

the bright side is we will eventually get to see more of this kinda video



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by Majorion
The title is a little misleading.. I wouldn't say that these Nasa videos prove that ET's are trying to make contact with us.

I would say that this is proof that ET's exist.

Ice Particles = no way

Space debris = no way in hell

ET's = highly probable.

You know, I don't understand why ET existence and presence is considered to be such a big deal. In a universe as massive as this one, is it so far fetched that such a thing could be a reality?

Personally, I don't think so.


thank you for your post but i don't understand how you can think this video is proof of E.T.'s but on the other hand you say it's not proof that they are trying to contact us ?

how can you be so sure ?

this was a display of their craft and by displaying it the way they did i can only conclude that it was some kind of message to the shuttle astronauts or us in general.

so i don't think the title to this thread is misleading at all


this looks like a message to me...Look here we are





posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by easynow
in the ufo hunters video(posted by Darthorious) the guy recreating the tether effects was implying that the lens flare would make it hard to determine if the critter/craft actually passed behind the tether.


Debatable... there's no doubt that the lens flare degrades the image somewhat, but to the point where you can't see what's happening - I doubt it. I'd have to go back and look at the footage again to refresh my memory, but from what I can recall, by comparing footage of an object going in front of and behind the tether it looked to me like one was behind and one in front, despite any flare coming into play.


Originally posted by easynow
i think the other debate over the tether video is that the camera is a 2-d camera focused to infinity and that has caused the objects to appear the way they do ?


I don't buy that. There are times when objects seem to "materialize" out of nowhere, but other objects don't show changes in focus that would account for this stance IMO.


Originally posted by easynow
i am no expert on camera's and such but i do understand some of it.


I hear ya


I've been involved with cameras seriously for about a decade now, together with astronomy (they are almost inseparable for me). It's almost become an obsession for me. I own 9 cameras (8 of them film/digital SLRS), and over 20 lenses. I've spent countless hours on the net learning and discussing cameras, lenses, lens aberrations, etc, etc...

I've also spent allot of time using my gear in that time, although perhaps not as much as I'd like! So I know a fair bit about photography although I would not consider myself an expert, or anything close to being one.

One area I'm definitely not too familiar with is video cameras, although many of the concepts work the same way as they do in still cameras. The basic principals of light, and how lenses work in both cases is identical.

If I can be of any further assistance give me a shout



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by FlySolo
BTW, where is Mr. Penny and Phage? It's funny how I don't see these guys when they have to do some serious stretching. I'm curious as to what they will come up with. Especially Mikesingh's photo.


They're probably not bothering to even look since this footage has been discussed here ad nauseam in the past...



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 05:11 PM
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Mike, those lights are ufo orbs forming a circle of light, something that is perceived from Earth as a saucer. Lots of our stone circles here in the UK were in my opinion and from experience of contact reality built to bring these ufo orbs down in a circle above the pattern.


that's an interesting thought...maybe it is some way of connecting with a circle pattern here on earth and it is a way of communication that has been established in the past with these rock formations ?

also was noticing that there is nine lights and the earth in the photo also.

interesting and will have to look at some different rock formations of old.

i wonder how many stones were originally constructed in Stonehenge ?

[edit on 2-11-2008 by easynow]



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 05:41 PM
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I agree, interesting idea.

I did a bit of digging...

what is found was that a circle with a dot in the middle is a powerful symbol...

It can symbolize God or the Sun, and even has some significance for the Freemasons.

Here are a few links google turned up:
www.excommunicate.net...
www.llaml.org...


I'd be much more inclined to believe that it was just a demonstration of intelligence, rather than have some hidden meaning to it... Anything is possible, the real question is "how likely is it?"



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 05:58 PM
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posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 08:34 PM
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I think its fair to say that its categorical proof of unknown phenomenon. We should waste our time getting detracted by "lens flares" and "ice crystals" and other such garbage really. Anyone who proposes that is either gravely mistaking or has a vested interest in deceiving people.

Considering a little crystal of ice something the size of a human fist could rip right through the shuttle in space, to hear people suggesting there are 1-6 mile diameter "ice crystals" and "debris" swarming around like a minefield is just insulting to teh intelligence. The tether in some footage was over miles away and people are pushing the idea that we are seeing "ice crystals" swarming round it at 100 miles.

Really, please, reality check, if there were thousands of ice crystals bigger than battleships swarming round there, every single spaceshuttle ever launched would have been ripped to shreds and the Hubble telescope and Mir station would have been obliterated long ago.

So, the question then is why do NASA (remeber this is the organisation who claims its PUBLIC and doesnt hide its footage) refuse to release it? Theres only one clause in the NASA doctrine that prevents foogtage from being public material, its a NATIONAL SECURITY clause.....yet NASA has apparently classified Ice Crystals?

Not only that, Nasa refuse point blank to explain the phenomenon, with all their scientists, all their honesty, all their "true" scientific integrity, they just make up a different excuse, space junk, ice crystals, meteors, sattelites and every single time they give a different excuse.

NASA or should i say NaSA are liars, point blank but ive made this point before.

They wont deal with it because its classified, they wont release the film or discuss it because its classified, so boys and girls the next time yo hear NaSA say its "public" why dont you ask them to release all the footage and explain things.....I know what you will get, no for the footage, and space junk or ice for the answer


NaSA are the real tin foil hat wearers in this discussion, as im sure all you sensible people know by now



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by C.H.U.D.
reply to post by easynow
 


I agree, interesting idea.

I did a bit of digging...

what is found was that a circle with a dot in the middle is a powerful symbol...

It can symbolize God or the Sun, and even has some significance for the Freemasons.

Here are a few links google turned up:
www.excommunicate.net...
www.llaml.org...


I'd be much more inclined to believe that it was just a demonstration of intelligence, rather than have some hidden meaning to it... Anything is possible, the real question is "how likely is it?"


Or.... maybe the message they were trying to relay was:

"We are donuts!"

You know because a lot of the footage of these space alien/critters does really look like donuts and tey were just trying to give a reference to something that we low life humans are familiar with and were trying to relay a warm fuzzy feeling of friendliness.

Food can be a powerful symbol.


Seriously there is no point of reference and the distance with the objects cannot be quantified by the video alone. You would need a stereoscopic camera for that.

So the argument that those objects are forming a circle is moot. Jeez they don't even form a real circle anyway.... You are saying that an intelligent lifeform that has the technology and knowledge to travel hundreds of light years away can't even form a perfect frikkin circle?

NONSENSE.

Also why the secrecy? They can just land on the White House lawn and to convey their message to humanity, if that was the intent. They come here all the way just to make a nano-assed effort for all their trouble?

NONSENSE.

BTW all this talking about donuts are making me hungry. *Points to a donut* "I am calling this donut here "The phenomenon"


[edit on 2-11-2008 by spacebagel]



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 08:39 PM
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NonSensicAl stuff amigo. Anyone can see that they arent space junk debris, ice particles or anything else. They are UFOs, unidentified and officially covered up and apparently classified since the footage is being withheld



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 08:41 PM
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Steve B i have watched this about a hundred times along with the video and it does appear to go into a cloud but i am not 100% sure.

this certainly destroys Jim Oberg's theory of ice crystals


great job on this and thanks for sharing this



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 08:44 PM
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The camera that captured these thingies is part of the Mesoscale Lightning Experiment. Among other things, its purpose is to detect lightning flashes in the atmosphere. It also picks up other low light sources of light such as small objects near the shuttle; ice particles and other debris that leave the cargo bay when the doors are opened and cruise along in the same orbit as the shuttle. Because the camera is designed to view very low level light sources, it has problems with relatively bright sources, the technical term is "blooming".

The apparent motion of the objects is due to motion of the shuttle making small attitude adjustments and reactions to the jets that cause those adjustments. I know you've heard this all before and some reject it. I can't do anything about that. But I can point out that it really isn't a very good circle. Surely an "incredible intelligence" (as the dude in the video calls it) could have done a better job. The objects are not in a circle and their spacing is random. To me, it resembles a random collection of stuff of varying brightness more than a message.


Here's another video of the same experiment. Lots of trash in this one too. I'm sure someone will find something in it.
www.youtube.com...

[edit on 2-11-2008 by Phage]



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by C.H.U.D.
 


The camera that capture these ufo's is part of the Mesoscale Lightning Experiment and uses low light cameras. Among other things, its purpose is to detect lightning flashes in the atmosphere. It also picks up other low light sources of light such as small objects near the shuttle; ice particles and other debris that leave the cargo bay when the doors are opened and cruise along in the same orbit as the shuttle. Because the camera is designed to view very low level light sources, it has problems with relatively bright sources, the technical term is "blooming".

The apparent motion of the objects is due to motion of the shuttle making small attitude adjustments and reactions to the jets that cause those adjustments. I know you've heard this all before and reject it. I can't do anything about that. But I can point out that it really isn't a very good circle. Surely an "incredible intelligence" could have done a better job. The objects are not in a circle and their spacing is random To me, it resembles a random collection of stuff of varying brightness more than a message.


Here's another video of the same experiment. Lots of trash in this one too. I'm sure someone will find something in it.
www.youtube.com...

[edit on 2-11-2008 by Phage]




Ahh my favorite spooky debunker


Sorry phage old boy but really, not single shred of anything you have offered there stands up to shred of scrutiny. The guy who filmed them has filmed thousands of hours from multiple shuttle flights and tested all your theories and had them all debunked long ago, as im sure you well know.

So for anyone wanting to know some relable information, that being information not deliberately used to debunk a valid issue, you should view the link a kind poster posted earlier.

video.google.com...


Also remeber NaSA, the "public" agency classified the footage and refuses to study it




posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by C.H.U.D.
reply to post by easynow
 

So the argument that those objects are forming a circle is moot. Jeez they don't even form a real circle anyway.... You are saying that an intelligent lifeform that has the technology and knowledge to travel hundreds of light years away can't even form a perfect frikkin circle?


[edit on 2-11-2008 by spacebagel]


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Your logic doesn't follow. So your argument instead is, because it's not a perfect circle, something of intelligence didn't make it?. Assuming you believe they are debris etc, your saying, "ice particles and space junk are more likely and intelligent to form a circle". Don't forget about the one in the middle.

I'm sorry, but you'll have to do a lot better than that.

[edit on 2-11-2008 by FlySolo]

[edit on 2-11-2008 by FlySolo]



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 09:02 PM
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That second video is very compelling. The object just floats to the left nothing to unusual. Then suddenly changes direction drastically and speeds up considerably, and just as it does something comes shooting up through the atmosphere. Its almost as if this thing moved to avoid it, showing some sort of itelligence.



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 09:04 PM
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Again, just a thought...

Who said it was supposed to be a circle anyway? That's like me saying it doesn't look like a house, therefor I conclude that it is not of intelligent design.



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by FlySolo
Again, just a thought...

Who said it was supposed to be a circle anyway? That's like me saying it doesn't look like a house, therefor I conclude that it is not of intelligent design.


The dude in the video says it's a "circular formation" and draws a picture of a nice circle. Trouble is, that's not what the shuttle video shows.



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by Phage

Originally posted by FlySolo
Again, just a thought...

Who said it was supposed to be a circle anyway? That's like me saying it doesn't look like a house, therefor I conclude that it is not of intelligent design.


The dude in the video says it's a "circular formation" and draws a picture of a nice circle. Trouble is, that's not what the shuttle video shows.


Come on Phage, play the game. The world is watching, you are very good at this old debunk routine with shady facts. You use the word "proof" alot and "evidence" so when its provided the least you could do is watch it through and then comment.

If you werent willing to do that people might think, well I guess, that maybe your only purpose was to debunk and the truth wasnt really important here?

I mean you can see how that might look right?

video.google.com...



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by Phage

Originally posted by FlySolo
Again, just a thought...

Who said it was supposed to be a circle anyway? That's like me saying it doesn't look like a house, therefor I conclude that it is not of intelligent design.


The dude in the video says it's a "circular formation" and draws a picture of a nice circle. Trouble is, that's not what the shuttle video shows.


Sure, its in a circular formation. But I don't expect you need him to tell you that. We all have eyes. My point is, we recognize a circle because it looks like one. But "who" says its supposed to be a circle? We did.



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