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posted on Apr, 2 2004 @ 09:28 PM
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This prediction was made by another person. In my own visions all i saw (appart from two apparent atomic bombs, or meteor, one of them striking from a nearby dock from the sea) was that there will be a mayor conflict in the US. i saw others and myself fighting against someone, buildings were destroyed all around us.

In one of those dreams i saw as a group of people, myself included, escape from a prison. My dreams about this lasted for a week, and every night the dream will pick up from what happened the night before.

As for "I have no idea what it takes to kill that amount of people.." I was in the military, i know the destructive power that technology can have.

And before you ask, those dreams i had were not caused by my military career.

[Edited on 2-4-2004 by Muaddib]




posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 12:03 PM
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I'm mearly trying to say, that if you knew, really knew, exactly how many people that is, you might realize thats the prediction of your buddy is pretty silly.

Take this into account.

It took the Worlds greatest terrorist minds, years, upon years, to plot, and kill, only 5,000 people.



[Edited on 3-4-2004 by AnonymousPoster4]



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 06:00 PM
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Take this into account, it only takes one nuclear explosion in one of our biggest cities to kill hundreds of thousands and even millions from those that are affected by radiation and were not killed by the initial blast.

People want to talk about how the administration readily did not take heed of specific threats of attacks prior to 9/11 by Al-Quaeda and other terrorist organizations. Now those same people want to dismiss the threats Al-Quaeda and others have made of using Nuclear weapons on mayor cities and making reference to a black wind of death covering all of the US....

[Edited on 3-4-2004 by Muaddib]

[Edited on 3-4-2004 by Muaddib]



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 06:37 PM
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"Hundreds of thousands" of people, is nowhere near 97.9 million.


I dont know if you heard, but nukes aren't easy to come by.

Take this into concideration.............

In the 1990s Pakistan began to pursue plutonium production capabilities. With Chinese assistance, Pakistan built the 40 MWt (megawatt thermal) Khusab research reactor at Joharabad, and in April 1998, Pakistan announced that the reactor was operational. According to public statements made by US officials, this unsafeguarded heavy water reactor generates an estimated 8-10 kilotons of weapons grade plutonium per year, which is enough for one to two nuclear weapons.

So even if each nuke killed 2 million people, that would take about 49 nukes to kill 97.7 million people. BUT, those nukes would take 25-49 years to make at the rate it takes Pakistan to generate plutonium.

They only produce enough plutonium to make 1-2 nukes a year.


See, it's just silly.

[Edited on 3-4-2004 by AnonymousPoster4]



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by xxKrisxx
"...A mayor Tsunamy in the west coast of US..."
Hey an asian in politics, that doesnt sound so bad...


It will be the east coast, One big quake off the coast of africa and there will be a VERY big underwater land slide, and there you have it. the birth of the killer Tsunami



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 08:05 PM
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Anonymous, Pakistan is the least of our worries, althou it is a threat to India.

States from the former Soviet Union have over the years given report of "nukes being lost," there are at least a couple hundred nukes lost. Not only that but now they are saying they have lost about 200 missiles.


Q: Can you talk about the Munich case, not so much in its specifics, but for kind of what it tells you about how we should look at this whole subject of nuclear smuggling.

HIBBS: The Munich case is the first big case. That's the case that everybody was waiting to see happen. And when it happened, it happened exactly how everybody feared it was going to happen.

It was the Tom Clancy novel coming to life. A bunch of smugglers getting off a passenger jet, landing in a civilian airport, being nabbed by Customs Agents. There were people coming in on the plane who didn't know what was happening.

It was chaos. There were arrests. There were mass SWAT teams getting onto the plane with machine guns. There were Customs people pilfering the luggage that they found. They seized material.

They put it into an armored car. There were Customs Agents, masses of SWAT teams getting on the plane with machine guns, pointing them at people, police cars, gum ball machines lighting up, escorts, people driving off onto the Autobahn and racing down at 150 MPH to a laboratory to do the analysis, total secrecy.

We had a situation where the German government is pointing the finger at Russian government for not being in control.

You have the counter attacks from the Russian officialdom. You have Germany going into an election where, a few weeks after this case, the German people were asked in opinion polls: What is the most important security issue facing post Communist Europe?

And they said: Nuclear smuggling. How many people in Germany thought that nuclear smuggling was their number one threat? Seventy to seventy-five percent of the people polled after this event were convinced that this was security threat to Germany number one.


Excerpt taken from.
www.pbs.org...

We have seen cases of commanders and otehr high ranking officers of the former USSR being arrested for trying to sell nukes and other weapons in the black market.

Anyone with money can buy anything from the RUssian black market.



In These Times
January 28, 1992

New black market: Soviet nukes on the loose
By Paul DeRienzo

The discovery by Italian officials of an arms-smuggling ring has spurred concern among security experts over the fate of some of the 27,000 nuclear weapons that belonged to the former Soviet Union. According to the Milan newspaper Corriere Della Sera, an October arrest of seven people in the northern Italian city of Como, near the Swiss border, also netted a small sample of plutonium, the fuel used to manufacture nuclear weapons.

In October, Swiss officials in Zurich had seized 66 pounds of uranium, also potential nuclear weapons fuel. Experts believe the uranium and plutonium are both from the Soviet Union. Newsday quotes an Italian deputy prosecutor, Romano Dolce, as saying that the arrests in both countries are linked to an alarming increase in the smuggling of nuclear material since the August coup in Moscow.

Dolce, in an interview for Italian television, also said that documents seized with the 0.1 milligrams; of plutonium-which was apparently used as a sales sample-provide evidence that nuclear artillery shells have already been sold from a major military base near Irkutsk in the Russian republic.

The same documents reportedly name former agents of the now-dissolved KGB and GRU, the Soviet secret police and the military intelligence agency of the former Soviet army respectively, as involved in the smuggling of nuclear weapons as well as uranium and plutonium. Corriere Della Sera, a respected daily, reports that Soviet battlefield nuclear weapons with a range of between 30 and 60 kilometers, were being offered for sale at $20 million apiece.



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nwo.media.xs2.net...

The above reference is from 1992... You can only imagine how many of these nuclear weapons and other military weapons have been smuggled through the Russian black market.
One just has to remember that plutonium and uranium can last for a very long time.




March 22, 2004 - 12:16AM

Osama bin Laden's terrorist network claimed to have bought ready-made nuclear bombs on the black market, the al-Qaeda chief's biographer has said.

Pakistani journalist Hamad Mir said bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, made the claim following an interview by Mr Mir with bin Laden in November 2001.

Mr Mir said he told al-Zawahri it was difficult to believe al-Qaeda had nuclear weapons when they did not have the equipment to maintain or fire them.

"Dr Ayman al-Zawahri laughed and he said 'Mr Mir, if you have $30 million, go to the black market in central Asia, contact any disgruntled Soviet scientist, and a lot of ... smart briefcase bombs are available,'" Mr Mir said in an interview with ABC TV's Andrew Denton.


Excerpt taken from.
smh.com.au...




I. Introduction

There is a distinct possibility that madness will lead to the next nuclear conflict. Terrorist groups, and even terrorist individuals, have the money, means, and motive to build or purchase their own nuclear device[2] and some have already tried.[3] Unfortunately, the terrorist attempt to acquire and use nuclear weapons is a natural progression of events. However, the rapidity of the progression is disturbing. Terrorists are utilizing computerized files, e-mail, and encryption software in order to hasten the accomplishment of their objectives.[4] It may not be a question of if they acquire nuclear weapons, but only a question of when.



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www.scu.edu...




Lebed: Some 'suitcase' nukes missing
Commandos from the Russian security service, the FSB, train for possible terrorist attacks.

Russian officials have reported two dozen thefts or attempted thefts of nuclear-related items. U.S. officials have confirmed seven nuclear smuggling incidents, with all of the nuclear material involved recovered.

Another concern are so-called "suitcase" nukes, small nuclear devices developed by the United States and the Soviet Union.

Alexander Lebed, Russian President Boris Yeltsin's former national security adviser, says more than 100 of these "suitcase" nukes are unaccounted for -- a charge vehemently denied by the Russian government.


Excerpt taken from.
www.cnn.com...

Some of the smugglers that have been arrested in Russia.





Vaclav Havlik became involved in international trade shortly after the Berlin Wall fell, which opened up new opportunities for commerce in the former Soviet Union. He began with groceries, medical supplies, and other consumables, bringing them in to the hungry Russian market. As his contacts expanded, he realized that demand for Western goods and money was so strong, that people were willing to offer virtually anything in exchange, including nuclear materials. Havlik was arrested near Landshut, Germany for smuggling uranium and sentenced to thirteen months in jail. He has served his time, and now runs a bar in Prague.

Gustav Illich is a slovakian trader who was snared in a German sting operation on nuclear smuggling. He boasts of good ties to higher-ups in the Russian military and mafia, and during the course of his search for material claims to have even been offered material from a nuclear warhead. In the sting operation, Illich provided German police with uranium samples on four different occasions, including one sample of 87.7% enriched uranium identical to the material seized in Prague six months later.


Yuri Smirnov is the first known thief of bomb grade nuclear materials in Russia. He worked as an engineer at the Luch plant near Moscow in a laboratory handling highly enriched uranium. From May to September 1992, while his co-workers were taking smoking breaks, Smirnov skimmed off roughly 1.5 kilograms of highly-enriched uranium.


Excerpt taken from.
www.pbs.org...



NewsMax Wires
Monday, Mar. 22, 2004
SYDNEY, Australia Usama bin Laden's terror network claims to have bought ready-made nuclear weapons on the black market in central Asia, the biographer of Al Qaeda's No. 2 leader was quoted as telling an Australian television station.
In an interview scheduled to be televised on Monday, Pakistani journalist Hamid Mir said Ayman al-Zawahiri claimed that "smart briefcase bombs" were available on the black market.

It was not clear when the interview between Mir and al-Zawahiri took place.

U.S. intelligence agencies have long believed that Al Qaeda attempted to acquire a nuclear device on the black market, but say there is no evidence it was successful.

In the interview with Australian Broadcasting Corp. television, parts of which were released Sunday, Mir recalled telling al-Zawahiri it was difficult to believe that Al Qaeda had nuclear weapons when the terror network didn't have the equipment to maintain or use them.

"Dr Ayman al-Zawahiri laughed and he said 'Mr. Mir, if you have $30 million, go to the black market in central Asia, contact any disgruntled Soviet scientist, and a lot of ... smart briefcase bombs are available,'" Mir said in the interview.

"They have contacted us, we sent our people to Moscow, to Tashkent, to other central Asian states and they negotiated, and we purchased some suitcase bombs," Mir quoted al-Zawahiri as saying.

Al-Qaeda has never hidden its interest in acquiring nuclear weapons.

The U.S. federal indictment of bin Laden charges that as far back as 1992 he "and others known and unknown, made efforts to obtain the components of nuclear weapons."


Excerpts taken from.
www.newsmax.com...



The Associated Press

Updated: 5:33 p.m. ET March 21, 2004

SYDNEY, Australia - Osama bin Ladens terror network claims to have bought ready-made nuclear weapons on the black market in central Asia, the biographer of al-Qaidas No. 2 leader was quoted as telling an Australian television station.


In an interview scheduled to be televised on Monday, Pakistani journalist Hamid Mir said Ayman al-Zawahri claimed that smart briefcase bombs were available on the black market.

It was not clear when the interview between Mir and al-Zawahri took place.


Excerpts taken from.
www.msnbc.msn.com...



Monday, Mar. 29, 2004. Page 3

Ukraine Says Several Hundred Missiles Are Missing

The Associated Press KIEV Several hundred Soviet-built missiles are unaccounted for in Ukraine's military arsenals, Ukrainian Defense Minister Yevhen Marchuk said in an interview that could raise new international concern about weapons leaks.

"We are looking for several hundred missiles," Marchuk was quoted as saying in an interview published in the Den newspaper late last week. "They have already been decommissioned, but we cannot find them."

Marchuk stopped short of saying that the missiles had been sold and appeared to suggest that they had been dismantled without proper accounting an apparent jab at his predecessors.

He did not say what types of missiles are unaccounted for, but Defense Ministry spokesman Kostyantyn Khivrenko said that the minister was referring to S-75 air defense missiles, known in the West as SA-2s.

Khivrenko said that hundreds of such missiles from Soviet arsenals in Warsaw Pact member countries had been brought to Ukraine for dismantling but were lost due to "accounting problems."


Excerpts taken from.
www.themoscowtimes.com...

It is also a very strange coincidence that Al-Quaeda has also reported having several hundreds missiles for taking down aircraft.

Do the math and then tell me if it is not most probable that Al-Quaeda and other terrorist organizations have some form of "dirty bombs or nukes."



posted on Apr, 4 2004 @ 04:45 AM
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Pakistan was an example. Evident by the random choice used in naming Pakistan.


Fact is, there's no humanly way possible for anyone to kill 97.7 million people in 6 months.

AIDS hasn't even come close to killing that many people in 26 years. Infact, it's killed about 22 million since 1978,. Thats less than 1/4 of people your buddy will claim will be killed in 6 months.

Are you starting to see what a rediculous amount of people 97.9 million is?

I'm not disputing that people can be killed, I'm disputing the number of people given, claimed will be killed.

It's just way too high to be possible.



posted on Apr, 4 2004 @ 05:17 AM
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I undersatnd where you are going with this, but i believe the following.

THE TRUTH IS WE ARE NOW ON A DIFFERENT TIME LINE THEN PEOPLE LIKE NOSTRADAMUS.

While these people may have seen things like disaters etc... We are now on a different time line so essentually nostradamus predictions are useless to us today.

the reason i am saying this is like this. i personally believe that the american government have time travel capabilities and therefore can predict what our present time line has in store for us. therefore anything that happens will have happened because the people with these technoligies let it happen.

but on the flip side they are also trying to stop disaters from happening. this is where projects like harrp are doing alot of work with learning to control the fields in and around the earth, and also trying to control the human collective.



posted on Apr, 4 2004 @ 06:02 AM
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Annonymous, if it doesn't happen, that's great. I HOPE it doesn't happen, but with our technology it is not that far fetched for something like that to happen.

As for the time travel theory...

In theory it is possible, and it could be possible to build a machine for that, but it is not as easy as it sounds, and the results will be unpredictable.

Right now we don't have the technology needed to be able to "control" time travel, an in order for us to use a time travel machine, we need to control it.

Theories of time travel are still in its infancy. Scientists have been able to "teleport" an electron without having to move it physically. But what they do is like making a copy of that electron, from point A to point B, the original dissipates.

That's the most we have been able to achieve by "controlled time travel."

From there to being able to "teleport" a full grown human being, we still have a long way to go.

Do a search on the net if you want.


[Edited on 12-4-2004 by Muaddib]



posted on Apr, 4 2004 @ 06:05 AM
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Every prediction that ignores most European states, complete Africa, South-America and most states in Asia is total bullshiat.

And everybody believing just a bit of it must be one hell of an idiot. Sorry, but just take a few seconds to think about what he predicts and then think if any of this would be logical.
Canada destroyed by earthquake....omg...anybody with a bit of knowledge in this field will laugh his ass off. So sick you guys believe it!



posted on Apr, 4 2004 @ 06:08 AM
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You guys?

I think the thread starter is the onlyone who believes any of this.



posted on Apr, 4 2004 @ 06:20 AM
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Shoo....is ok moron...i don't get insulted.


As for believing or not believing, i just posted some prophecies i heard on interviews, does that mean I think they will all come true?

Did i say anywhere i think they will all come true?
I have said it before, I think people from all walks of life are able to see into the future. Some of his prophecies are similar to some visions others and i have had.

But, the real question in here is why in the heck are you even reading a forum on predictions if you don't think predictions could be possible?

There is only one debate forum, and this is not it, if you haven't figured it out.

If you don't like predictions and you get freaked out by them just don't read the "prediction forum."



posted on Apr, 4 2004 @ 06:21 AM
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BTW....where in the world did i say that anywhere that Canada is going to be destroyed by an Earthquake?



posted on Apr, 4 2004 @ 06:32 AM
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so, in the next 2-3 years death and destruction will consume our lives. is it just me, or are there never any GOOD predictions and prophecies? when will the cure for viruses be established? when will cancer become curable? when will mankind start colonializing other planets? noooo, it's always about invasions, wars, plagues, meteors, etc. makes me sick. it's as if every single "prophet" is a self penalizing goth.



posted on Apr, 4 2004 @ 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by Leveller

Originally posted by Pisky
But what if China & Russia are financially backing the Muslims. The UK and US have done it in the past (With Saddam and Osama). It's quite possible. Not an obvious 'uniting' of their forces, but a financial one whereby China/Russia supply the Muslims with weaponry and intelligence.




Very doubtful. China and Russia don't have the financial resources. You've also got to remember that all of the money that goes into Muslim economies is supplied by the West - they are non-productive societies. They rely on the purchase of oil to keep their regimes afloat.

Funding terrorism is nowhere near the same as funding a national army. Neither China nor Russia would take the risk - they're just as likely to be used against them as they are the West. And neither have the financial or technological resources to make available.


Muslim countries are now using the "euro" and are avoiding the US dollar, if you haven't heard.

That's one of the things Bin Laden has asked those in his and other terrorist organizations. he also asked every Muslim to do this.




Muslims eye euro as new oil currency
Since 1901, when drillers unleashed a Texas gusher and created the modern oil industry, barrels of oil have been sold for greenbacks. Whether they buy oil in Alaska, Norway or Bahrain, today's customers pay in US dollars.

But when the United States launched its military attack against Iraq last month, many Muslim clerics began demanding that Arab countries sell oil for euros, not US dollars. That move could send shock waves through the world oil market and the US economy.

Newspaper columnists and antiwar activists in countries from Morocco to Indonesia have rallied behind the sentiments shouted in a Nigerian street protest witnessed by a Wall Street Journal reporter this week: "Euro yes! Dollar no!"

Using currency to wage economic warfare against the US "has been talked about, off and on, since the Arab oil embargo in the 1970s", said Robert Lynch, senior currency strategist in the New York office of BNP Paribas.

"It is mostly a threat" rather than a real possibility, Mr Lynch said, because switching from dollars could economically harm many Muslim countries that already hold lots of US dollars - notably Saudi Arabia. Still, given the level of Muslim anger directed at the US following the war, "anything is possible", he said. "If oil trading shifted from dollars to euros, it would be a hugely significant event and certainly a negative one" for the US economy, he said.



China and Russia have enough resources. China has more than Russia, and all they have to do to support terrorism is sell them some of their weaponry, and give them the go ahead to use those weapons against the US and others.




China Reveals Nuclear War Plans Against U.S.
UPI
Monday, March 20, 2000
WASHINGTON -- China's People's Liberation Army has outlined plans, including a nuclear conflict with the United States, to "liberate" Taiwan, Hong Kong's South China Morning Post newspaper reported Monday.
The PLA issued a 16-page publication, the Howangjio Weekly, that was devoted to Taiwan, that was sold on street corners. In contrast, most Chinese newspapers had little to say about Taiwan's pro-independence vote.

The publication included plans to send 200,000 fishing vessels with a two-million-strong invading force to take over Taiwan. It also included photographs of what it said were the most advanced secret weapons in the world. These included laser weapons to disable the U.S.-owned F-17's guidance systems, the newspaper said.

The PLA has reportedly been working on a new generation of nuclear weapons, the publication said, and it outlined steps by which China would threaten the United States with nuclear war. China would then sway U.S. public opinion by making economic concessions, and it would increase arms purchases from Russia, the Post reported.


Excerpt taken from.
www.newsmax.com.../3/20/215316




Is one paranoid to think China would ever have a war with the United States?

Would it not be earth-shaking if Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld publicly said the United States would have a war with China? It would be headline news in all the newspapers and on the TV networks.

Yet this is exactly what Secretary Rumsfeld's Chinese equivalent said. Chinese Defense Minister Gen. Chi Haotian publicly said: 'War [with the United States] is inevitable; we cannot avoid it. The issue is that the Chinese armed forces must control the initiative in this war. We must be prepared to fight for one year, two years, or even longer." (NewsMax.com, 4-9-01).


Excerpt taken from.
www.newsmax.com...






World Tibet Network News
Published by the Canada Tibet Committee
Tuesday, October 23, 2001


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2. China assisting Taliban in war against US

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MONDAY, OCTOBER 22, 2001
THE TIMES OF INDIA

ISLAMABAD: Taliban commander-in-chief Jalaluddin Haqqani has claimed that
the militia was "in touch" with China, which was assisting them in the war
against the US.

Before leaving for Afghanistan after holding talks with Pakistani officials
here, Haqqani, who is also the minister for frontier regions, told reporters
"China is still assisting the Taliban in the war against the US".

He further said that the Afghan militia "continued to be in touch with
Beijing." He, however, declined to divulge the nature and quantum of the
assistance being provided by China.

Haqqani, whose visit to Islamabad raised eyebrows, said that China would
react sharply in the longer run as the US would dig in Afghanistan.


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www.tibet.ca...




TextWhile U.S. battles terrorism around the globe and in its own backyard, it ignores a growing arms buildup in China and cautions Taiwan not to provoke the mainland, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

China was the developing world's largest arms customer last year, signing trade agreements worth more than $3.6 billion, the online intelligence newsletter reports in the current issue. Russia remains the biggest arms supplier to China. Since 1996, China has purchased from Moscow at least 72 Su-27 jet fighters, two Sovremenny-class destroyers, missiles systems and four Kilo-class attack submarines.

Last year China agreed to buy eight Kilo-class project 636 submarines and had options to purchase two additional destroyers and surface-to-air missiles.

Most of China's arms buildup is oriented to its No. 1 foreign policy and military objective the reunification of Taiwan with the mainland.

As evidence, G2 Bulletin reports, China has built up its missile battery along the Fujian coast opposite Taiwan. There are now about 450 missiles in position, with the number increasing by 75 a year.

China continues to hone "credible options" to attack Taiwan and could act quickly against what it sees as a renegade province backed by America, the intelligence publication said.


Excerpts taken from.
www.worldnetdaily.com...




China has called for urgent talks with the US over its controversial plans for a National Missile Defence system (NMD).
Senior arms negotiator Sha Zhukang launched a scathing attack on the US plans, saying it could spark a new arms race, but expressed hope that dialogue might "narrow our differences".

His comments come in the wake of a report delivered to the US Senate urging Washington to sell NMD-linked weapons systems to Taiwan to counter what it described as a growing threat from China.


Excerpts taken from.
news.bbc.co.uk...

Why in the world would China not want the US to have a National Missile Defense System? Is not like we are saying we are pointing any intercontinental ballistic missiles at them...




"We have been reducing the size of our force and cutting back on the defense budget for 16 straight years," reports Congressman Floyd Spence, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. "We're to the point now that we've reduced the force 35 to 45 percent. We've got three people doing the work of five in the military," the South Carolina Republican complains. "We're wearing out people and equipment with all these deployments around the world. We've deteriorated our force to the extent that we would have a difficult time fighting off the security threats to our country," Spence warns. "Plus," he adds, "we still don't have a national missile defense and there are nations with intercontinental ballistic missiles and nuclear warheads pointing at us."


Excerpt taken from.

politickles.com...


I have yet to see a threat from the US to China, as openly as China has threatened the US.


China and Russia Align against the US?




China and Russia Align Against U.S.
By Kenneth R. Timmerman

China's President Jiang Zemin went to Moscow in mid-July as if to receive a Russian bride. In the bride's trousseau were some of the best military and nuclear technology money can buy. Also included: an extended family of alliances, guaranteed by three generations of Communist godfathers. In exchange, Jiang handed Vladimir Putin, the former KGB officer who now is president of the Russian Federation, new contracts potentially worth tens of billions of dollars to Russian enterprises.

In Washington, Bush-administration officials reacted to the news of the Sino-Russian Friendship Treaty inked in Moscow on July 16 with quiet equanimity. State Department spokesman Richard Boucher dismissed the pact at his daily briefing, calling it "a treaty of friendship, not an alliance." At the White House, presidential spokesman Ari Fleischer noted that diplomacy was "not a zero-sum game." Echoing Boucher, he added: "Just because Russia and China have entered into an agreement does not necessarily mean it's something that would be adverse to the interests of the United States."

Official Washington was downplaying what outside observers and some top Bush-administration national-security officials say privately was a sweeping shift in the strategic balance of power that only can mean bad news for the United States. These critics say the Sino-Russian pact not only will expand Russian arms sales to China, which already had shifted the balance of power in the Taiwan Strait, but commits the two giants to a broad international agenda squarely opposed to core U.S. interests, making common cause in economic, diplomatic and military arenas.
But potentially most disturbing is Article 9, which contains language outlining a mutual-defense pact whenever one of the parties "believes there is a threat of aggression."

"With this treaty it would appear, for example, that any military move by China against Taiwan would now be backed up by the enormous nuclear arsenal of the former Soviet Union," Inhofe tells Insight. "Such an arrangement has profound strategic implications for the future."

Russia war-gamed how its forces could support a Chinese military takeover of Taiwan during exercises conducted Feb. 12-16. As first reported by Bill Gertz of the Washington Times, Russian commanders escalated the conflict by threatening nuclear-missile strikes on U.S. forces in South Korea and Japan. This is the first time Russia is known to have carried out a simulation involving joint war-planning with China or to have practiced fighting the United States in the Pacific.

China repays the favor on the Taiwan issue by agreeing in the treaty to support Russian dominance of Chechnya, which sits astride strategic transportation routes that command access to the vast oil resources of Central Asia and the Persian Gulf. While NATO is not mentioned by name in the 25 articles of the treaty, in an interview with the Italian daily Corriere della Sera that appeared just as he was signing the pact with Jiang, Putin suggested that "NATO could be disbanded as was the Warsaw Pact."

"This is a strategic relationship," a top national-security official told this reporter six months ago, before being tapped to join the Bush administration. "That is the phrase the Chinese and the Russians use themselves. It has concrete manifestations - Russian arms sales - and it is specifically aimed against the United States." That official could not be reached for comment.


Excerpts taken from.
www.insightmag.com...

Leveller, i think you have been living under a rock, because China's economy is strong, they keep increasing their military budget.

Now they are trying to win against the US in settling military bases on the Moon.



posted on Apr, 4 2004 @ 07:37 AM
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Prediction:

You'll be charged 50 ATS points for excessive quoting.

Anywho.

China will NOT go to war with us. It wouldn't be financially smart to do so.

China threatened North Korea with attacks if NK attacked the USA. So saying China will even think about doing anything to the US, is just silly.


Even sillier, is saying the US and China are in a race to populate the Moon with military.

If anythig, astronauts, scientists, doctors, and contractors would populate the moon well befor any military personel would.


Where were you durring Y2K? In a bunker somewhere? You seem to believe everything you read.



posted on Apr, 4 2004 @ 09:15 AM
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it seems that most predictions agree that something major will happen in the next few years..just from looking at world events, i would have to agree.

as for russia and china being to 'weak' or financial unstable to take military action..i'm not so sure things are what they seem. the u.s. public has a bad habit of being mislead and believing everything the govt tells them.
chinas oil needs are growing..... China and India together are a third of humanity. Their oil demand grows at a rapid pace. In 2003 Chinas oil demand grew by 30% and it auto market by 75%. www.atsnn.com...
russia continues to pour money in to nuclear preparedness and all the other things like missle defense, new nuclear missle testing (even if they failed, they still did testing) new reentry vehicles for nuclear missles.....both countries may not have the lastest and greatest but they do have ALOT of what they have. with u.s. troops all over the globe, our guns slowly being taken away,who will protect America?? hmm..there's always the UN

we all must remember recent history...on the surface, things are not what they seem, ( iraq wmd, 911, patriot acts, trying to reclasify fast food workers as production jobs, ect) and the u.s. govt is willing to greatly mislead or out right lie to do what it wants and make it seem like the u.s. is always the good guy.



posted on Apr, 12 2004 @ 06:26 AM
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No anonymous, I was in no bunker when y2k happened and I don't have a bunker now either, but the main point is not that. Since when has the "prediction forum" become the "debate forum"? You don't believe predictions are possible? you don't have to read or post in this forum. Why are you wasting your time here?
If you want to debate something, "debate forum" is the place to go.



posted on Apr, 12 2004 @ 06:50 AM
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You show an absolute blatant disregard for history and current events.
As for your dreams? Sorry dude, they just show that you need psychiatric help.

Russia and China are even more deeply in the # with Muslim extremists that the USA is. They have daily attacks made in and outside of their borders by extremists. The problem as I see it is that because America contains the most insular people in the world who only take notice of events elsewhere if they directly affect the USA, they are nearly always totally ignorant of the wider picture. Obviously the USA is the most powerful nation in the world. But that doesn't mean that there isn't a world out there that doesn't revolve around the USA.
At the least this is ignorant, at worst it encourages the ignorant to spread false rumours on the basis of this ignorance.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend".

Well if this is true, the Islamic extremists are a far more dangerous threat to the stability of Russia and China than the US. Check your recent history and you will find that the extremists are actually threatening and to a certain extent succeeding in taking over areas within these nation states - a far more dangerous and real threat than any imagined conspiracy ploy by the US.



posted on Apr, 12 2004 @ 10:42 AM
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What is that ignore button over there? hummm... oh well, another asswipe in the can.


[Edited on 12-4-2004 by Muaddib]




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