Originally posted by MegaCurious

Originally posted by thegrayone
Oh yeah, I know how that feels.
I am openly being investigated with my phone calls being monitor and probably the places that I visit in the internet.
When I say openly I mean they came to me and asked me soooo many questions, then, have been to my job and old jobs and have talk to my close friends..

Again... same thing, different setting. If you're under secret investigation, then going to your close friends and your job is gonna to tip you off to something, and especially if they do it right in front of your face.

Keep in mind, that this "investigation" is WAY too out in the open... if they want you to catch them "investigating" you, obviously something else is on the agenda....

I mean, "agents" can't just appear EVERYWHERE over some garbage!

If they try the garbage where they show you ID that says "HOMELAND SECURITY", or "FBI", or "POLICE DEPT", that's not the police, or the fbi or anything like that... it's the ***. (Notice I didn't tell you who it is)

Originally posted by thegrayone
I guess in this case they have all the right to do what they are doing?

The right? They don't have the right or the capability, so the folks you're referring to are not even the cops, or the FBI, or anything like that. No matter what they say, without verifiable PICTURE ID (note that PICTURE is in all caps), you're just being suckered.

was thinkin the same thing... I get calls from 4-6 digit numbers to tell me its time to make a payment... of course I didnt know that until I answered the phone

i dont really know what to say about this.

just more proof that the govt has too much $$$ and tooooo much time.

big govt? nah...lets call it the enourmous overweight gorilla of a govt.

this is why we need to eliminate these departments forever, and possibly have half their workforce tried and convicted of crimes agianst the people of this nation

and put in prison for 70years

hey i can dream cant i lol

get all those potheads outta prison and put the GOVT there in their place

i know Jesus Mohammed Ghandi Buddah JFK RFK MLK jr etc etc would Agree 100%
these criminals need to be locked up and the key thrown away!

Originally posted by _Johnny_Utah_
Look fellow,
I met with the agent. I saw his badge. I held it my hand. I saw the papers which were drawn up on me.

First of all, if you had actually read my post, you'd know that I never said that the guy you met with was not a U.S. Department of Homeland Security agent. I even tried to point out that he was.

Dude, clear your head... relax, it's all so bogus that your fellow conspiracy theorists would only believe it if they saw for themselves what these knuckleheads do to convince you of this nonsense.

We'll be lucky if we see it on the news.

Your family is in on it (hey, my family was too... they go to my job every time I get a new job, they "talk" to my co workers...). Your professor is in on it. The Homeland Security agent (the real one) is in on it.

I realized it was all bogus when I beat them to a district attorney's office (they arrived like seconds after I started discussing it with him).

But I really hope you don't listen, because hey, you've got a girlfriend and I don't. I'll be laughing all the way to the bank!

Oh, yeah... just a "side note" (heh heh): The reason you've went through so much money on this is because it's bogus. When it's these folks, once they convince you of some garbage, the lawyer just fleeces you, or as they say "he gets the money".

You've bought so much of it that, without knowing your actual situation, I don't know if your crap has turned "real" (where they've got some bogus court case due to some bogus statements you made), or if it's still in bogus land.

Save yourself from the bull before it's too late. Watch yourself from here on out. Be super careful, these folks don't play by any set of rules.

our taxes paid to spy on us???
that's wrong...

if they are "cataloging and counting" us,
i am sure they gonna end up with half of our loved republic.

freedom of speech. is this thing still on?

Just a quick comment about the caller ID thing. Most calls originating from a large office complex (like a federal government facility) will likely be placed over a T1 facility. Without going too in-depth, a T1 will outpulse whatever digits it's programmed to show. It may or may not be an actual working phoone number. In some situations, the T1 will be designed to outpulse some "nonsense' string to bypass the blockers some people employ to block the "unknown" incoming calls via their caller ID.

Personally, if I get a call from a goofy number, I don't answer it. If it's important, they can leave a message.

Originally posted by yeahright
Just a quick comment about the caller ID thing. Most calls originating from a large office complex (like a federal government facility) will likely be placed over a T1 facility. Without going too in-depth, a T1 will outpulse whatever digits it's programmed to show. It may or may not be an actual working phoone number. In some situations, the T1 will be designed to outpulse some "nonsense' string to bypass the blockers some people employ to block the "unknown" incoming calls via their caller ID.

Personally, if I get a call from a goofy number, I don't answer it. If it's important, they can leave a message.

So, I have a question...
I know about blocking the "unknown" calls, but will a four digit number fit into that catagory?
Maybe that is a new way for telemarketing to get through then and it may not have been Big Brother looking in on me?

Maybe they thought you had a heads up that the storm was coming and your one of those suber duber elusive time travelling alien sleeper cell members trying to implode the world...


One thing confuses me. You said you worked, lived, ect, had an apartment.
Doesn't the GOV have records of all those taxes you paid by way of your employers quarterly reports--or your L n I payments, medicare payments--you know the itemizations on a paystub.

Originally posted by Voxel

Governments are afraid of ideas and afraid of the channels through which ideas flow. Ideas unify people into armies and turn citizens into revolutionaries.

Jon

Exactly! And that's where the magic lies, for words are more powerful than atom bombs.

I think it's only when things start going wrong for people is when they sit up and take notice, and I'm guilty of that, too. I've always been able to unite people for a cause for some reason, but I only do it when the shadow starts to creep into the shade, theirs or mine, because let's face it, that's when it becomes too dark...and cold.

Originally posted by HugmyRek
Maybe they thought you had a heads up that the storm was coming and your one of those suber duber elusive time travelling alien sleeper cell members trying to implode the world...


One thing confuses me. You said you worked, lived, ect, had an apartment.
Doesn't the GOV have records of all those taxes you paid by way of your employers quarterly reports--or your L n I payments, medicare payments--you know the itemizations on a paystub.

They do, but they say I chose to move a few days before the storm. They said I had no intentions of ever coming back to Mississippi.
that was my point to the agent...I had a place/job and family on the Coast. why would I up and move to Utah?
I needed to find a way to prove to them my intentions were for a vacation and not a move. My apartment was gone, so it was impossible for me to show them I still had things in my home. I couldn't show them I quit, because the restaraunt was gone...same for my girlfriend.
Our families were not relieable witnesses.
How do I prove what i intended?

I had a similar encounter a year ago, shortly after I started to oppose the government. One gov guy came to me and started to ask many things about my belief. He played he is a civilian, but I immediately knew he is one, because somehow I always felt it and also I learned how to make difference between gov people and standard civs. Also I don't need to afraid of them, because I also have few friends at the right places, but I always love to play with open cards. I'm not willing to hide from them. At the very end of the conversation he asked me why I'm doing this. I could get a good job if I want, I also have the connection for it. Why am I not using it? Why I'm seeking the truth and opposing the government? My answer was simple: Because I have the courage to do YOUR job and protecting the innocent ones from the lies. The gov guy felt himself ashamed and quickly left. Since that time they're not bothering me at all.

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Do not let them get you down. I am in your boat so to speak. They are horrible at their job. Getting email and texts are easy, they have been trying to put my ass in prison for 15 years and have failed every time Oh and to the agent and snitches reading this...Nah nah nah nah!

It seems to me that its only fair if the government can investigate someone who has done no wrong and try charging them with a crime they didnt commit that we have the right to investigate the government by the same right's. Even if they did nothing wrong also or am I some how wrong to say so or think so.

You know what I really think I think every time we find a ats member that shows up with a story like this we should go after the agency that did it by making a example out of them. They want to come after us I say we go after them. How many people do we have here a few hundred thousand that have visited they cant take us all at once.

Falcon

I will second another poster here so please Johnny,

For clarity of understanding,as I am really concerned about this, however before my concern is justified, could you please answer each of my questions below, in order, and then if you want elaborate a little before the next question?

Also please leave a space between each response for again ease of understanding. or mark them 1.2.3. etc.

What was the charge or the reason for their first involvement or contact with you (ignoring the strange phone calls not answered)?

Before this event above have you been involved in any ongoing known investigation against you?

Were you Arrested?

Were you Bailed?

Did you contact them first, that being a government agency of some type and then this happened?

If so why did you contact them and what was your reason or request?

Did they mention ATS?

If so in the information they had like your phone records and emails, did they also question you about sites you visited or have Knowledge of such already?

Did they mention the show?

Did you do the show on ATS before you first or they first contacted each other?

$15,000 seems a lot for your Lecturer it must have involved a court appearance? or Many hours of work? how many hours did he bill you for?

Is that the above question the issue? the real conspiracy lecturers taken advantage of ex students in bad times? (tongue in cheek some humour in your predicament)

Did they have evidence to prove where you were as apposed to where you say you were, e.g. from the cell phone records?

If you were where you say you were (which I cant work out anyway why that matters) why didn't you use a witness statement like your Girlfriends to corraborate it? or even your own Phone records by contacting the company?

Did he waterboard you? :-)

Im sorry I have read this a few times but I cant make head or tail of the actual thread and what it means especially in relation to the Headline, is that just a Factual statement of historic events on a time line but with no real connection?


Kind regards,

Elf.

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