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Originally posted by red 5
O.K I get it, but I think every one is freaking out about nothing. First i will post to you the happiest nation on earth, Denmark. news.bbc.co.uk...
so I guess the thought that a socialist nation never succeeded is wrong
Second Sarah Palin,
Special payment to each Alaskan resident this year from new oil tax.
Estimated annual dividend each Alaskan will receive this year from oil-wealth savings account, not counting the new oil tax.
The Seattle Times.
Third you know every one says look at Canada for socialized health care it does not work, but what about the places where it does work? But what about Germany, The Netherelands, The U.K. Too many others.
Originally posted by Dr.Venkman
So what is the big problem with having a socialist health care system? Sounds ok to me (unless you're a corporation that sells pills... and therein lies the problem). Instead of paying for health insurance that may or may not cover you, pay a little more tax for a health system that will look after everyone (yes the bums, but also yourself).
Take it from someone who lives in a 'socialist' country (New Zealand). The rich are still rich, the poor are still poor, but anyone who gets sick or has an accident gets looked after for free. One less thing to worry about. Pretty sure Sweden and Canada are alright places to live.
Would someone please explain what it means to be a socialist to me? I really am having a hard time getting that. The reason I ask is Presidential candidate Barack Obama is beeing accused of pushing toward socialism, and I am planning to vote for him.
The problem is, in this country the rich actually work hard for their money and deserve it. That's what made this country so great, "The American Dream", where anyone can "make it" (get rich) if they try hard enough.
By international standards, the United States has an unusually low level of intergenerational mobility: our parents’ income is highly predictive of our incomes as adults. Intergenerational mobility in the United States is lower than in France, Germany, Sweden, Canada, Finland, Norway and Denmark. Among high-income countries for which comparable estimates are available, only the United Kingdom had a lower rate of mobility than the United States.
I think the only problem with the american dream is that these people, who yes, did work hard to become rich, got rich in ways that hurt other people...
Yes, these people worked very hard. But a lot of these rich people are working for the bad
Originally posted by SINNER901
OK, simplified using cows:
You have 2 cows.
You give one to your neighbour.
You have two cows.
You sell one and buy a bull.
Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows.
You sell them and retire on the income.
Hope this helps
Originally posted by red_leader
reply to post by red 5
Well see.. socialism has helped you in the past, and many others I'm sure. I`m kinda surprised that Americans have such an overtly socialist system as Unemployment Benefits and yet they are so paranoid about socialism.
Or that he was a simply the neo conservative Chicago style economist that Geroge Bush emulated so perfectly during his now eight year run.
Originally posted by inthesticks
reply to post by red_leader
Yes but, what if as in the current economic slump in your country, you can not find a job that offers such benefits, now you and your whole family face bankruptcy if one of you has a severe medical condition.
People keep saying this, but it is just NOT TRUE!
I had a heart attack last year - no insurance. I was first treated by EMT's, then in the emergency room at the PRIVATE hospital, then flown AirLife to one of the best heart hospitals in this area and given EXCELLENT treatment.
Originally posted by ImaNutter
One flaw of Capitalism, as already pointed out, is you end up with the power residing in the hands of only the wealthy. Okay, if this country is the country by the people for the people yadda yadda, why is it that we are now ran by corporations and big business such as the Military Industrial Complex, Big Pharma, and Lobbyists?
Originally posted by ImaNutter
I am not trained to think one thing is ultimately great and the other ultimately inferior. Get over that line of thinking. It's pathetic. Unfortunately, way too many people have been bombarded with so much stimuli that this is their ONLY way of thinking. Christianity = Best. White = best. Capitalism = Best. Democrat/Republican = Best. Pop Music = Best. Rap Music = Best. Country Music = Best. You're all nothing but jokers.
Seriously, I am falling further and further into disgust with ATS as well as the entirety of America because of all this B/S.
SOCIALISM IS NOT BAD. EVERYTHING YOUR PARENTS TOLD YOU IS NOT TRUE. EVERYTHING YOUR TEACHERS TOLD YOU IS NOT TRUE. GET OFF THE COMPUTER, PUT DOWN YOUR IPOD, PUT DOWN YOUR IPHONE, PUT DOWN YOUR XBOX, READ A BOOK, CRITICALLY THINK, RATIONALIZE, ASK QUESTIONS, FIND THE ANSWER YOURSELF, LEARN, EVOLVE YOUR LINE OF THOUGHT.
Originally posted by truthquest
I think you are completely making up the idea that capitalism puts power in the hands of the wealthy. Please provide any evidence you have that is true. It seems that the US is one of the more capitalist countries, and that it has a very large middle class. But please provide examples of where this is not true.
Why is it that we are now run by corporations, big business, and the industrial complex. Because the people of our country chose to transfer power from their selves to those entities. At any point we could start voting out members of congress who cast votes that simply do what their neighborhood megacorp tells them to. We chose to pay zero attention to what our congress are doing. We chose to re-elect them.
It seems to me that half of those on this thread favor at least some socialism so I don't understand at all your remark that ATS is a bad place just because half of us actually like independence from nasty federal regulations that destroy our freedoms. ATS members do not trust the government, nor should they.
Originally posted by NeoSocialist
Stealing from the rich is not quite right.