reply to post by Gregarious
My budget proves exactly what your saying to be very real and wrong
and exactly what i'm saying
You need a heck of allot of Money in this system to have a life... a heck of allot and if you don't your screwed, Royally.
A TRUE socialist system would cover, all your Health Care, pay for a house, not an apartment you can never raise kids in, not leave you in a cold
shack that is for sure, food would be a given and even a car to transport yourself
and certainly if You tried to empower yourself and made a Grand extra one month in a way you could, lets say via the internet...
They would take away the little you even have
What is this plan to shift around other people Money and how much will it really give the poor? A few hundred bucks
The guys motto is Change
Then really CHANGE
The problem is it's all hooked to MONEY period, communism and socialism can't work if it's hooked up to Capitalism... period, so long as it is they
are assigning a dollar value to things that really have no value anyway
In reality, by commodity
We have Oil, we have food, to a degree some of it ROTS in the United states, I have a buddy who works for a corporate restaurant, they make him Throw
Away the left over food and he would get fired if he gave it out at the end of the night...
so we just, dispose of food, Millions of Bushels of Grain alone every year goes in the garbage...
Pre Fab Houses and cars are made by Robots
Power on the grid can be Nuclear and cost very, very little to heat a home
True Socialism would
Entirely De capitalize ALL of these things that people need to live...
Health care won't work in a largely populated Capitalist society until it is a right and the people that work in that field are fully provided for in
Rather than dollar by dollar
My whole point is I do make very often what Obama describes as wealth
and what I have, is what, a person would be given in a real socialist system like Star Trek portrays
I have it better than many but, i have no Life 5 days - 6 days out of the week... That's allot of my life, certainly that's not GOOD for scoiety to,
not be a Father or an Artist or many of the things I could be not chasing down money
and it takes me all that...to maintain what i view and what my parents had 25 years ago as Middle Class people
My mother didn't work for a time my Father drove a cab... Far from Loaded when I was a child
But they had the basic life I do...
and with that income sometimes i'm poor
without it... you are utterly in what sounds like almost 3rd world poverty levels
I don't.... actually hate socialism...
But if he is going to do this and wants my respect or me to pay 50%
Then offer TRUE Socialism in exchange for that...
Obamas going to up my taxes and you get... what 50.00 extra bucks a month... maybe nothing on disability
In a real socialist society, you would be truly entirely taken care of.
For that, I'd say tax the heck away
But he reality, Medicine and shelter and food Hinged to the dollar, is just welfare and poverty...
MONEY, would need to come out of the equation entirely in large areas of our society
There would be plenty to do for entrepreneurs like me...
In areas that are Luxuries
Medicine isn't a Luxury, neither is a House
Like in Star Trek, Quark in DS9 Loved Money, he owned a BAR
Every body else was paid for and not with... you must do this or serve the federation crud either, the freedom to be who you want to be no strings
The rebellion to that concept is everybody would become a bunch of lazy doped up welfare apes
and I don't even believe that
I thin people would get bored and do things useful with their lives...
Most of us at least
I think the same people who do nothing now on purpose will always be there...and those numbers wont go up...
And raising children isn't nothing, even...reading all day isn't nothing... it betters society
and the Truth is
40 Million Americans have jobs hat are useless, telemarketing, odd jobs invented to generate money for people to spend
So I'd be down to not protest socialism...
Particularly for Guys like YOU, who, weren't left a choice...
But for the Love of G-d, I have to hear the guy actually offer people like you something beyond a tax cut on your non income...
He offers the POOR a Tax Cut?
I don't Even get that.... ROFL
Cut What? 5% of Buptkus... is Buptkus
14,000 a year...Huurah, 5% of the 800.00 you pay Equals a savings of 40.00
Go grab a bottle of Booze and cry with it lol, that what the tax cut gives the poor
My budget is only meant to show, that even with that income, all that work, all I have is sort of a normal life currently...
and I'd say sort of because, I had to keep my AC off some days this summer and it was 115 here on some of those days and it was heck, I can't
imagine how the elderly cope...
My electric in an Apt run daily in that is 400.00 a month
1.6 for the summer
so all that work...and 250 G is allot of money
Just saying no it's not...
Thats why the poor are so disparaged
It's a nightmare to even think of the climb...from 12 G to 250 G
And as a family man, that's what I need to make... to even, have a few bucks to invest and actually use the stock market that makes these companies
go and pays for peoples jobs
and...lol, I just lost Plenty of that these last few weeks....POOF Bye, bye
A thousand hrs of Labor or so down the drain
I'm not saying that for sympathy lol, who gives a crud right?
But my life is NOT easy at that income level... not yet,
which means it's not easy for anyone and we are in...desperate times
So go Socialist and limit Capitalism... but do it in a REAL way, don't jerk us all around with bs tax games and set us on each other.
Take money out of the picture in certain arenas entirely, for anyone that needs it, no questions asked...
Then tax the rich 50%, those who choose to play monopoly because at that point, it's not risking their lives to do so so who cares...
Playing with Money, you can go from a Million a Year to zero in 60 days
People that go that route and build businesses, in the current system need to hold real money aside to assure they don't end up homeless one lousy
At least to know if they are going to shell out Massive taxes, that...they won't go from Rich to the street if something goes wrong
and what the Govt...any socialist Govt currently defines as a Minimal quality of life...
You, of all people know that leaves you with nothing, nothing at all
So in brief...I'm not rich and I have ZERO of a safety net, I fi accidentally become poor caring for others...
I want to KNOW, I'll be covered and not live in a shack with no heat also... not be given 100.00 gift certificate at Best Buy with my next tax
And that is essentially about what Obama is offering the poor, Nada Mucho