Obama's New Attack on Those Who Don't Want Higher Taxes: ‘Selfishness’

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posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 05:20 PM
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We all need to do what we can to keep our money. Hide it, set up NPOs and the like. Do it now. I have. There are a million ways to stay just legal and keep your money. Loopholes are there for a reason. Talk to a good tax guy or gal and they can help big time.




posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 05:21 PM
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I should have added, sometimes they collect taxes by not just from the fear of war, fear of having no roads or fire depts help too...

Last I checked the majority aside from interstates were handled by local govts not the Federal govt

If you were to examine you taxes you would notice that your state tax to fund these things isn't very high,

The extra money from the police state comes from matching Federal funds for inmates btw

Don't be among the poor and stupid and believe we would have no roads without taxes

The Govt would have to operate and run a BUSINESS just like the rest of us...

Yes i said it, they would have to work do their jobs and earn income...

Money is collected when you break the law,

Towns can issue fund raisers for projects that need doing

Community organization and volunteers could handle other issues, student aid and other things could be offered in return

Federal lands could be used to grow crops and sell food and employee people

and I'm not all that against a small tax, like a sales tax to help it all along

a simple singular commerce driven tax charged when you CONSUME and TAKE not when you EARN and CONTRIBUTE



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by Witness2008
reply to post by TheRooster
 


Nice story..a hard worker. I myself run two businesses all started with my own hard work and they both live on with hard work. So why should my tax burden be greater than let's say Halliburton?


short answer, It shouldn't!

But can you say corrupt politicians? A company that employs over 100,000 people world wide with a conservative average annual salary of say $50,000 would have good reason to lobby for tax breaks. If you are up for re-election, we can contribute if you would consider giving us a tax break. Does that interest you Mr. politician? That's how it all gets started.

And if you think "O" raised over $600,000,000 for his campaign with private individual contributions (for which he refuses to release a complete list of donors) you're nuts. Washington D.C. is owned by the corporations, and it may be too late to change it. I think Ron Paul would have been our best hope, maybe he'll run again in 2012.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by Witness2008
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I have an idea. Why don't you and greeneyedleo pick your own apples with your own ladders. Then the next day build your own houses, and cars then pave your own roads, fight your own fires. You'll also have to take your chances on those airplains and trains...safety issues and all. Then those of us who do not mind paying our fair share of taxes for having the opportunity to live in a stable society will have more to go around.


Witness,

By any chance are your two businesses a paper route and another paper route? Your approach is so childish I call into question your honesty.

If you want to put the guy on the ladder out of business and level the playing field, QUIT HOLDING THE FU&%#ING THING FOR HIM!



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 05:39 PM
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I have my own ladder and I share it equally with others. It just makes for a much happier and fulfilling life to be a giver and reciever. We are after all in the same orchard.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by Witness2008
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I have my own ladder and I share it equally with others. It just makes for a much happier and fulfilling life to be a giver and reciever. We are after all in the same orchard.


Wit, May God bless you all the days of your life. Sorry for the cheap shot about the paper routes, but I didn't appreciate you taking a shot at the greeneyedleo the way you did. You want to take shots at me fine, leave her out of it.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 05:58 PM
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Obama's plan includes raising the taxes on the wealthiest by a mere four percent, from 35% to 39%. You would think to hear it, that he wanted to change it back to the rates of the 1980s (which were 50%-70%) or even back to the levels of the 1950s or 1960s (which were 91%!!)

It's disingenuous to lock onto the phrase "redistribute wealth" and turn it into something that it's not. It's a perfectly reasonable economic strategy and it's far from some 'socialistic' master plan. Progressive tax is a rather mundane topic really, and to see it turned into some bit of rhertoric hysteria doesn't serve anyone.

After all, not everyone believes in Reagan's 'voodoo ecomonics' anyways. If trickle down economics really worked, we wouldn't have the massive, and ever increasing divide between the poor and the wealthy, nor the destruction of the middle class.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 06:02 PM
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Ahhh. The sport of bebate..some weapons are sharper than others..I suspect the point was recieved, it certainly was on my end. God bless back at ya.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by Witness2008
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Ahhh. The sport of bebate..some weapons are sharper than others..I suspect the point was recieved, it certainly was on my end. God bless back at ya.


I much prefer to respectfully disagree,
My Sharp Friends
These are my collaborators as I work to deny ignorance.
11 friends:
x Tuning Spork
x Major Discrepancy
x ProfEmeritus
x greeneyedleo
x ZindoDoone
x Muppetus Galacticus
x Azador
x davion
x jsobecky
x Stormdancer777
x Witness2008


Cheers to you Wit.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by Witness2008
Corporate welfare comes from the tax breaks and incentives that the Bush administration has showered upon, the oil companies, insurance industry, HALIBURTON and all their subsidiaries, the pharmaceutical industry and the list goes on.

This site explains some of the loopholes that will be closed by Obama. www.fairtaxes4all.org...

I WANT MY MONEY BACK!






Obama was the single most ignorant player in the economy, Obama hires franlkin raines of fannie mae after raines csrewed that up royally where he should be indicted and sent to prison like Ken lay. Now how the hell can you tell us what Obama is going to do when Obama doesn't know one day from the next what his Tax Plan is.

First he says no one under $250,000 will have their Taxes Raised

Then now he says it's $200,000 then he has Biden stumping for him in another state where the latest figure is $150,000.

When asked what the hell is going ON Obama stutters then says "what he said was " I know what you said Obama and just like with everything else you say, we got to have you put everything in writing because your story keeps changing as often as I change my underwear and that's every day.

Maybe that is the change he has been talking about this whole time.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 06:17 PM
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I thought the idea was that this was ultimately just negating the tax benefits Bush & Co granted this bracket of people. In affect putting it back to how it was prior to Bush. Is this not so?

[edit on 31-10-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by Jadette
Obama's plan includes raising the taxes on the wealthiest by a mere four percent, from 35% to 39%. You would think to hear it, that he wanted to change it back to the rates of the 1980s (which were 50%-70%) or even back to the levels of the 1950s or 1960s (which were 91%!!)

It's disingenuous to lock onto the phrase "redistribute wealth" and turn it into something that it's not. It's a perfectly reasonable economic strategy and it's far from some 'socialistic' master plan. Progressive tax is a rather mundane topic really, and to see it turned into some bit of rhertoric hysteria doesn't serve anyone.


I think the hoopla has to do with the fact that O would not just come out and say it, until he ran into Joe the Plumber. From there it was game on. What concerns me are all the political promises. I firmly believe, and I could be wrong, over time he will raise taxes on everyone, promising to tax only the wealthy gets his foot in the door. As far as I am concerned, until they curb spending, I don't want to give them one red cent. The spending practices of these RINO's is bordering on criminal.


[edit on 10/31/2008 by TheRooster]



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 06:19 PM
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In some ways, it is letting the Bush tax cuts expire in 2010. But, when they expire for the top 5%....they expire for the rest of us, as well. And, then, everyone's taxes go up.

With the bailout and the fact that they do not want to cut spending, everyone's taxes are going to be raised anyway. I don't see any other way around it in this current economic environment.



[edit on 10/31/2008 by skeptic1]



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 06:23 PM
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This was indeed a meaty debate, and I get to leave it with a most welcome compliment. Thankyou.

Until next time...



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 06:36 PM
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exactly. all the while executives and ceo's salaries have doubled!

in 1967 someone making 88,678 would now make over $150,000
someone making $14,000 would now make roughly $18,000

explain this to me.

all those tax breaks for big businesses was supposed to trickle down.
what happened? and yes i think people complaining they don't want higher taxes are being selfish. the idea is to make life better for all americans, not just the lives of ceo's and executives, come on guys wake up and smell the coffee, give them more tax breaks and they might create more jobs, but they will continue to keep the wages low. how is that fair?



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by nyk537
reply to post by skeptic1
 


You're right, and you're dead on.

It's frustrating to see such growing dependence on government though, and Obama is only making things worse.

My gut is telling me McCain can pull this out though, so hopefully we won't have to battle this for 4 years.


hahahaha!!!!!
so let's stay in the same mess we've been in for the past 8 yrs!!!!
well if you work in the oil industry or military industrial complex or an executive or ceo you will be just fine!!!
in fact you probably will make more money in the next 4 yrs!!!!

so according to your logic i should work my tail off to work in one of the above mentioned fields, hell if you can't beat em' join em'!!!!!

on the other hand if obama wins you should go get a "average joe" job!!!!

[edit on 31-10-2008 by conspiracy nut]



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 06:59 PM
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We are talking about however not a campaign promise but the very Direction from which he wishes to do things.

His campaign promise is 4% undoubtedly whenever more money is needed which with 9 Trillion in debt and near Trillion dollar bailouts and given the promises he is making it will be...

The taxation will come from the same people again, and again and again

The reality is that The US Government needs to do what it asks us as people to do, take responsibility, restructure and admit the debt it out of control

Just because the Govt messed up doesn't mean the people and businesses should have to pay for it.

If I mess up my finances, i have to declare bankruptcy and restructure my debt over the course of a lifetime...

Obama intends to tax people and extend the govts credit line

It has failed the last 8 years, there should be accountability and not from those who did not fail

we should not be at each others throats

The govt, should still cut taxes for the poor and not tax any one higher

And then deal with this debt on a 30 year plan... the way we have to buy houses as lowly regular ol human beings



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 07:07 PM
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As I said above Lucid at face vale it makes sense, but if you add up the numbers, do the math examine the debt, the global economy, assets, military spending and tack on Obama projects

4% doesn't solve a bit of it, it buys a bit of time and investors in the economy suffer

It will never, EVER stop at 4% in 4 years it will be 50% or higher

And the "we voted for him" line of thinking I can not accept, we might have (maybe) voted in Bush, in reality the Supreme court did...

none the less, there is no aspect of our society that gets bailed out , not me, not you, not until NOW corporations and only because the govt actually fears corporate America turning on them.

They made mistakes, they shouldn't take it from the people they should be a responsible govt and no one in Washington Dem or Rep wants to hear these words...

But a form of Bankruptcy and repayment plan needs to be instituted NOW before a genuine collapse comes

The money doesn't Exist in the hands of the rich or poor to overcome the kind of debt we are in.

programs need to be cut, spending needs to be decreased, we need to admit failure in this war and bring the troops home to save money and...we additionally need to eliminate our overseas forces almost entirely

We are Bankrupt bro,

They are playing Monopoly by... mortgaging all their properties to get a few last rounds in the game and all the monopolies are taken including Boardwalk and Park Place

There will be only one way to fix this soon... More war and acquisition of resources if we do not just admit what has happened here

The American Tax Payer doesn't work for the govt the govt works for us and when employees fail...if it was you or I, we would be fired...





[edit on 31-10-2008 by mopusvindictus]



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 07:20 PM
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obama is a communist, like gordon brown, what the heck do you expect?



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by azzllin
What has happened over the past few months is only the start, pretty soon your going to see jobs vanish, your income begin to disappear, and everything you own come under threat because your bills go unpaid.

What will you do then? when you cant find a job? when you have no money coming into your house? your all trying to tell me you would refuse some help in the shape of a welfare payment?


what will i do if we lose our jobs and are on the street? Learn to live in a cardboard box. You could pour as much tax money as you want into welfare and ya know what? It would NEVER help me at all. Not one bit, regardless of how poor me and my husband end up or how terrible our situation becomes. You know why? Because welfare only helps those that have children and me and my husband dont have any!
Why the heck should i pay more unfairly high taxes to more government programs that will never ever help me simply because I don't reproduce???





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