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The Problem With Republicanism

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posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 05:34 AM
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The first thing I want to express is that I feel that being conservative is a good thing. To use things responsibly and not over-extend resources is only logical. I use the term “republicanism” because it is a system that we have seen as being just the opposite. Huge spending, shipping our biggest commodity overseas, which is production and manufacturing which has lead to massive job losses and factories that have been reliable to a community being shut down without warning.

The biggest complaint I hear listening to radio talk shows is that monetarily wealthy people will be paying more if a certain person is elected president and that spending will increase. I ask: what administration has been in charge for the last eight years that has lead to banks and huge companies going broke, causing a 700 billion dollar “bail-out” for the rich criminals that should be in federal prison, which in turn has become over a trillion? They say that oil companies have to increase price because of the increase in crude imports. If this is so, how are they breaking profit records for any company at any time in history?

“Beware the industrial military complex” are words that say it all. Industry has taken over current governments. These include pharmaceutical, oil, and other special interest groups. The answer to all this: just print more money. We now have professional felons in business with a government to back them up.

So long as this concept is accepted, the world will not unite because the disgustingly greedy will fight to hold onto that which they can never use. If I had something that I loved to do that lead to that kind of money, I would be more than willing to give it to those who are in need of it. Not drug addicts and lazy people who serve no purpose, but those who deserving of it because of their morals, ethics and willingness to contribute. It would need to be an open two-way street in order not to give to the drug pushers and other criminals. My reward would be knowing that others are improving their lives and the lives of those around them because they are responsible people. I would also know that I have already made what I need and would get further “payment” in the rewards of doing what I love to do. How much is enough? Why would anyone on Earth need hundreds of millions, or even billions of dollars?

For the people of the world and the country to improve, the religion of “more, more, more” must stop. It is useless to continue to pour water into a glass that is already full. The rest just goes down the drain. Want becomes waste as huge financial assets are stored away for no other reason than greed.

Now are there people receiving government assistance who use the help to buy crack? Absolutely, and it is the reason given as an example of why some are against the concept of “shared wealth”. The answer is very simple: fail a drug test; loose the assistance and pick up litter to give back what was stolen from society that was given to help you. Simple solution to a simple problem. In turn, that funding is freed up for those who really need it and would use it for it’s intended purpose. It’s really hard to listen to people complain about giving to others in need when they have a personal chef following them around the country.




posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 07:18 AM
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The problem with fasocialist party B ?

There are no parties. With the many millions of dollars needed to run even the smallest campaign, just how many favors do you think any candidate owes to numerous people, groups, and alliances?

Ask yourself-----with the constant disgust constantly on 90% of the media against fasocialist party B, the extremely low approval rating for all members of that party especially, and a constant stream of outcry against this current mastered puppet over most of the last 8 years, why do you think the polls show the race as close as it is for a candidate thrown in seemingly as a last resort or afterthought?

Because no body is entertained by a blow out, in sports or politics, and because if it did show a overwhelming lead, a large section of the voting public would be outraged.
Cheated, as it were, out of their prime time soap opera.

So, how can it be that the numbers against fasocialist party B, both in polls and most all media are at such a contrast to the polls and media supporting their candidates??

Because in a rigged game, the numbers don't have to match up----especially when the vast majority don't even bother to check the math.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 07:22 AM
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Well you would both be talking about the Roman system?
Both sides are the same.
Its very corrupt.But how should we deal with that?
Libertarians work for me.
Take responsibility for your own actions FOOL!
Don't even try and tread on me man!



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 08:24 AM
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Not saying you are wrong, FM; I just want to point out that every coin has two sides. Maybe the other side is the WRONG one, but it may explain "why" some folks are so, what? stupid---as to identify with republicans....


Originally posted by ForceMaster
Huge spending,


Um, Congress holds the power of the purse-strings, not the President. And we've had a Democrat House and Democrat Senate since 2006. Has spending gone down???




shipping our biggest commodity overseas, which is production and manufacturing which has lead to massive job losses and factories that have been reliable to a community being shut down without warning.


And you know why companies do that? It certainly isn't salaries. It's employee benefits. Did you know that when you buy a GM car, over HALF the price of the car goes to pay the employee union dues, pension, and health care plans. 5 years ago, the unions at the big 3 automakers got concession that no more UNION jobs would be shipped overseas....and now ford and GM are both looking at bankruptcy, and are this week asking congress for a bailout of their own......




The biggest complaint I hear listening to radio talk shows is that monetarily wealthy people will be paying more if a certain person is elected president and that spending will increase.


Then you haven't been listening closely; no offense to you, but most of the folks at ATS, and maybe you too, are young people who are in college or just embarking on a career. Many of them are frankly in the prime of life, and focused on new and exciting concepts they are learning at school, or the social scene. Good times.

But republican tend to be older folks; people who are maintenancing the biggest debts a consumer in america has: a house, car payments, medical costs for children, school costs, etc. Even more, they tend to people in management positions, or who are trying to, or have run their own businesses.

In most industries, 5% is a reasonable profit--a good return on your volume of business. But if the government plans on changing the tax rate by 6% next year, you stand to lose your profit, maybe your job or business.....depending on what congress or your state govt MAY decide to do to you.

Even worse, many republicans are old enough to have tried to operate a business during the PREVIOUS democrat congress. The congress which once introduced a "retroactive tax increase." Meaning that if you had set aside quarterly payments for your business for the past 9 months, and thought your were making a profit, suddenly your business owed another 8 or 10 percent! you ALREADY owed it. So you were overnight in the loss column. And not because you did anything wrong--not even because of the budget deficit---but because congress COULD do it and expect to get re-elected (they didn't, though).

But again, most young voters have no knowledge of, or interest in past history, or even the dangers of risking your life savings to try and start a business. Most of them go to college where daily attendance is not even measured. They go to college every semester buy signing student loan agreements to be paid off "someday" (just like the federal defecit); they see business as inherently evil, republican, and oppressive.

And they like Obama. He talks about hope. change. Nothing boring like trying to run a business where the government plans to confiscate 28% of your profits, and then force you to pay all kinds of benefits to your workers that you don't qualify for yourself, as the business owner. You have to insure their employment, but no one insures you'll still be in business next year.



I ask: what administration has been in charge for the last eight years that has lead to banks and huge companies going broke, causing a 700 billion dollar “bail-out” for the rich criminals that should be in federal prison, which in turn has become over a trillion?


Ask Nancy Pelosi. Or you could ask your state education department why they have cut civics classes from schools, where you should have learned that all spending bills originate in the House of Representatives, not the white house....




They say that oil companies have to increase price because of the increase in crude imports. If this is so, how are they breaking profit records for any company at any time in history?


By moving their refinery operations to Africa, outside the reach of the EPA, EEOC, and other regulatory agencies. They have made the biggest cash profits, because America's refusal to refine its own oil, or to build new refineries, has put them at the helm of the BIGGEST US industries.

As for highest profit returns on investment, big Pharma has made almost twice as much as oil. But since their money goes to democrats in congress (like obama!) you won't be hearing about that--the single most profitable industry in the US, and not hearings about it, although it costs you more annually that the price of gas, in terms of your healthplan. If you work for a living, that is.

Again there are two sides to every coin. The liberals try to make you beleive that republicans are either billionaires, or dupes. That's to keep you from ever identifying with the entrepeneurial class--the people who actually pull America out of its recessions.

It is the people who start small business that are the goose that lays the golden eggs for this country. The harder it is to do business, the worse the economy gets.

I agree with you on one thing, the bailout is a disaster for america. They guarantee a profit for big businesses that couldn't compete. One story you won't hear about untill the off-year elections in 2010 is that there is a huge "house-cleaning" coming within the Republican party (especially with a mccain loss!!!!) to remove the corporate control of the party. It happened before, in 1994.

IF the democrats control the presidency and both houses for the next two years, they may be held to a pretty exacting standard in 2012. Indeed, there are lot of correlates this year with the elections of 1992; but I suspect even more with 1976.

all the best.



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