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America stuck in stupid?

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posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 01:07 AM
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Punch & Judy
Democrat vs Republican
Right vs Left
Deosil vs Widdershins
Thesis vs Antithesis

The question is "Do you love me?" Ask it of yourself, of your neighbors. Hear it coming from the mouths of children living in squalor and filth in every corner of this planet. There is only one right answer. If you get it wrong, you are the problem. If you get it right, then you become part of the solution.




posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 01:28 AM
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I hear what you're saying. I'm not trying to justify those voters who are unaware of the issues and don't make a well-informed decision. However, other than an age limit and citizenship (which I strongly agree with you on), you can't force people to have to earn the right to vote. To say "Only those who pass this test can vote" is anti-democratic.

A driver's license or pilot's license is a privilege, not a right. Voting is a right. It has always been a right. The forefathers made it that way for a reason. It is the centerpiece of our democracy. Should voters know the candidates and issues? Absolutely. Should they be prevented from voting if they don't? Absolutely not. Not only do they have the right to vote, they also have the right to make an uninformed decision. I don't like it. But it is what it is, and that's what it is.

I do agree with you on being a legal citizen. Illegal citizens being registered and voting makes a mockery out of the entire election system. How they'd go about verifying it I don't know - driver's license, green card; before the election or at the polling place on Election Day. Either way, it does need to be verified.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 03:13 AM
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Actually our forefather who could vote had to meet the requirements of being white, 21, and most importantly, land owners. those who weren't, didn't vote. So it seems more of a privilege than a right according to the standards set by our forefathers, where all men are created equal.

[edit on 10/31/2008 by bigvig316]



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 08:02 AM
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Originally posted by kettlebellysmith

In truth, the American people manage to keep things fairly balanced.


That may have been true in the past but is no longer true. The America we have today is way different than what we had a few years ago.

There are more ignorant voters today, and they are the ones picking our congress and president. In 2006 we voters did a major overhaul of the congress and we are about do even more of an overhaul in this next election.

An engine needs more than one cylinder to operate, a majority of Democrats in the House, the Senate and then the President, all Democrats. well we will hit another iceberg. We hit one in 2006 and our economy is now wrecked, this next one could finish us off.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by DarthChrisious
If the Democrats are socialists, then the Republicans are fascists.

Many of todays democrats are facist socialists.

The democratic party of yester-year is long gone.
The republican party of yester-year is also long gone.

Both parties have been hijacked by facists - left and right leaning fascists.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by -zeropoint-
That was a pretty lame, desperate attempt… yet from the Republic. It’s people like you that spew negativity 24/7...


Don't worry no one listened in 2006 and voted in a bunch of Dems. The rest is history, economic stagnation.


It’s your type that ruins everything the free and positive dreams of the free people stand for cause’ there is nothing more negative than attacking people 24/7


So asking that people understand what they are voting for is seen as an attack?


and trying to confuse the minds of people. That sounds awfully familiar though… I give your lame-attempt a thumb-down!


Most of the people voting are confused about the issues yet they vote anyway. What kind of a system operates that way?



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by DarthChrisious


How Republican of you...


Granted, the Republicans don't have much of a candidate which is a mute point at this time anyway. The Dems are in by a landslide for sure, House, Senate and Presidency

They have it all now, and will have the Judicial in their pockets in two more years. Oh the power they have! These are exciting times for the leftwing.

Democracy has met it's match. Long live dictatorship. That's what the Democrats will have, complete control of the three branches of government. That should be fun. They had most the power the last two years and you can see where that has gotten us.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by gdeed


Millions of Americans are elderly and dysfunctional. Many of them don’t comprehend the issues on the ballots any more, but they can vote and usually vote Democrat



You cite no sources to back up your position on this....and as my personal experiences with my elderly parents and in-laws ( all very staunch, elderly Republicans, no matter what!) are at complete odds with your position, I did some checking.....

Obama's numbers are gradually improving in the older crowd....but he still has a slimmer percentage in that age group than in younger ones....

quote from Oct...

While McCain ranks better among voters 65 and up than any other age group, their support may not be strong enough. McCain and Obama are running about even nationwide among those 65 and older, according to an Oct. 15 poll by the Washington-based Pew Research Center. Last month, McCain had a 48-35 percent lead in that group.

source

quote from Sept...

In an Associated Press-GfK Poll conducted earlier this month, 52 percent of those age 65 and older said they were backing McCain and 39 percent were behind Obama. For those ages 50 to 64, McCain was supported by 53 percent compared with Obama's 36 percent.

source

and...


A recent survey conducted for The Courant by the Center for Survey Research and Analysis at the University of Connecticut found that McCain's strongest support is found among those 65 and older..

source

But if you want more 'intelligent' voters why not push for a more intelligent candidate....Why not a college professor rather than a playboy who barely managed to graduate?




[edit on 31-10-2008 by frayed1]



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 10:57 AM
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There are millions of elderly Americans that have not lost their faculties and understanding of the issues. There are also millions of elderly that are senile and clueless to what the issues are and taken to voting booths and told who and what to vote for.

Can anyone deny that?



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 11:59 AM
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I can doubt it. What I have personally witnessed does not bear it out.

I have been voting for years, and I have never seen any 'senile and clueless' elder voters being put into a booth and told who to vote for....It might be possible, but it would be monumentally difficult, as is any endeavor that would involve large numbers of 'senile and clueless' elders.

When my Mom became 'senile' and incapable she was never taken to a voting booth.....by me or anyone from the nursing home....there are strict 'check out' standards in those places and I would have had to be notified.

My Dad and FIL who were both active and stubborn, right to the end, were possibly 'senile' by some standards, but NEVER to be told who to vote for......both voted for who they wanted to, right to the end....



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 01:31 PM
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It happens a lot nonetheless. Anyway, the elderly are only one small segment of America that vote and know not what they vote for. Democracy has been taken over by apathy and special liberal interest groups with socialistic agendas. Socialism and Communism works best when the voters are clueless about economics, the things that make freedom and prosperity possible.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 11:17 PM
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who are you to decide what people need to know to vote? as if your opinion actually mattered.

who are you to determine what is valid and requisite information for any citizen capable of voting?

where did you come up with the figure 'millions' of people who speak little or no english vote, and vote republican?

there have been many who thought like you...that one must meet some set of 'higher' standards to be eligible for the vote. those who feared 'mob' rule.

it reeks of elitism, of a lacking critical understanding of humans and of society and all its levels.

-Animal



posted on Nov, 1 2008 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Both parties have been hijacked by facists - left and right leaning fascists.



That's about right, no that's about left lol I totally agree but the left is way ahead and wining big time. Americans as awhole are heading for Socialism. It seems we all want to be taken care of. Well, we will be taken, that's for sure.



posted on Nov, 1 2008 @ 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by DarthChrisious
If the Democrats are socialists, then the Republicans are fascists.


Actually, fascism is independent of Republican or Democratic parties. I don't think that many people really know what "fascism" really is, and the term is often misused.

Fascism is simply "strength through uniformity". It is the idea that you can make progress by standardizing on things. It is a valid idea, but it destroys diversity. (Of course, diversity is another great source of strength.)**

A "fascio" was a bundle of sticks, tied together to provide stength.

This bundle of sticks symbol is used in many places within the USA. (Take a look at the back of a USA quarter coin. The eagle stands on a bundle of sticks.) On that coin, above the eagle, the words "E Pluribus Unum" translate to mean "Out of Many, One". It is basically a purely fascist idea. Amazingly so.

**Edit: The biggest problem with fascism, in a political sense, is that it is very brittle. Under pressure, all the sticks break together. That is why diversity is so important, and fascism should generally be highly moderated or even completely rejected. And, of course, fascism reduces human liberty.

[edit on 1-11-2008 by Buck Division]



posted on Nov, 1 2008 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by gdeed
Millions of Americans speak little or no English, they don’t understand political or economic issues vital for our economy, but they can vote and usually vote Democrat


Really, and you can prove that your rascists-at-best asumption that people who speak other languages are stupid and uniformed how?

Also, the Hispanic vote has been rpetty well split the last few elections.
BUsh won a lot of them over in 2004.


Millions of Americans are elderly and dysfunctional. Many of them don’t comprehend the issues on the ballots any more, but they can vote and usually vote Democrat


Uh,no the elderly are traditionally more conservative/replublican.


Millions of Americans are young and have minimal education. They know little if anything about our political system and nothing about how capitalism creates jobs and prosperity.


I know quite a few young people who'd I say are smarter better in formed that many adult people, such as than you.



Democrats love socialism. Socialism loves no one. In fact, people become burdens that the state has to take care of. People become cattle and are treated like cattle, but they have health care.


I think you are confusing socialism and communism here.



posted on Nov, 1 2008 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by I_AM_that_I_AM

Really, and you can prove that your rascists-at-best asumption that people who speak other languages are stupid and uniformed how?

Also, the Hispanic vote has been rpetty well split the last few elections.
BUsh won a lot of them over in 2004.


There are a heck of a lot of people in America besides Hispanics lol Many other nationalities from around the world that have made America their home but don't speak or understand the American economic system.


Uh,no the elderly are traditionally more conservative/replublican.


Not true, many elderly are democrats


I know quite a few young people who'd I say are smarter better in formed that many adult people, such as than you.


Those who don't hate Capitalism are certainly smarter lol


I think you are confusing socialism and communism here.


Socialism is the road to Communism. But once people taste Communism they get on the road to Capitalism lol China and Russia for instance.



posted on Nov, 1 2008 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by DarthChrisious
If the Democrats are socialists, then the Republicans are fascists.

Many of todays democrats are facist socialists.


It is easy to forget that the most fascist party that ever exited was the Nazi party:

Nazi -- Nationalsozialismus -- National Socialists.



posted on Nov, 1 2008 @ 02:14 PM
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What made the United States of America what it was , was the simple fact that it provided some degree of rights for all people irregardless of their economic status, race creed or color.
We can't tell people who don't necessarily understand Differential Equations or Quantum Mechanics that they can't contribute to the political future by not allowing them the right to vote.
That contradicts the basic premise of this Nations fundamental rule of Law: The United States Constitution.

When are the supposedly intelligent people going to realize that it doesn't really matter whether we have a Republican or Democrat in office for we have a MSM government that we're told to believe in and a Shadow government, who actually calls the shots.
Once again, irregardless of whomever we supposedly elect into office, the agenda of the powers to be marches on.
Just look at the antics of the 2006 election ?
We're the Democrats and we're standing for change. We're going to get us out of Iraq.
What has happened ? Absolutely nothing.
We're still in Iraq and now we have an even larger deficit.

That's what confuses me about the Obama-mania , is how soon people forget.
But that's what we're always given. The same old ,same old candidate. Or the Change candidate.
It's that way in every election and hence our two party Coke or Pepsi system.
Irregardless, They both answer to the same Boss.
And their Agenda marches on.



posted on Nov, 1 2008 @ 03:45 PM
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gdeed;

I have few questions for you.

This economic "turndown" or "slowdown" as being defined by the republican president for the last two years is not something that happened overnight or in the last two years so your attempt to blame it on the democratic congress goes nowhere.

You also blame the democrats for the education system. This "No child left behind" is a real winner. Whose brilliant idea is that? Also, what major political party is constantly trying to reduce spending for education? For Headstart? For Pre-K?

Yes, as a whole we are a rather studid country. It is due to a number of issues that have nothing to do with party affiliation and your attempt is nothing short of simplistic. Do some homework and have an original thought.

[edit on 1-11-2008 by capgrup]



posted on Nov, 1 2008 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by nh_ee
What made the United States of America what it was , was the simple fact that it provided some degree of rights for all people irregardless of their economic status, race creed or color.
We can't tell people who don't necessarily understand Differential Equations or Quantum Mechanics that they can't contribute to the political future by not allowing them the right to vote.
That contradicts the basic premise of this Nations fundamental rule of Law: The United States Constitution.


Our political system is much more complex today than it was 200 years ago. Anyway, it don't matter anymore and may be a mute point because those who don't understand our economic system and what makes it work are now the majority and they are the ones that will make our policies. Total madness

Kind of like giving the keys to the new car to our four year old


When are the supposedly intelligent people going to realize that it doesn't really matter whether we have a Republican or Democrat in office for we have a MSM government that we're told to believe in and a Shadow government, who actually calls the shots.
Once again, irregardless of whomever we supposedly elect into office, the agenda of the powers to be marches on.



It does matter, it matters a whole lot. And that's the problem many people don't understand the differences between the parties and they are huge differences. Democrats are socialistic republicans are free economy. A free economic system creates infinitely more prosperity and freedom. A socialistic economy creates bureaucracy and futility.


Just look at the antics of the 2006 election ?
We're the Democrats and we're standing for change. We're going to get us out of Iraq.
What has happened ? Absolutely nothing.
We're still in Iraq and now we have an even larger deficit.


While the Democrats and those who put them in charge of everything were busy congratulating themselves over their victories in 2006, no one was driving the car and the car went off the cliff. That certainly was change. And now we are going to get even more of it. Yea




Irregardless, They both answer to the same Boss.
And their Agenda marches on.


They should be answering to the voters, but the voters are clueless, hence "America is stuck in stupid."


[edit on 1-11-2008 by gdeed]



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