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Originally posted by EyesII
As a general thought, I know the Navy has produced torpedos that propel underwater at "impossible" speeds.
The secret lies in releasing a controlled air stream in front of the torpedo which creates an air bubble around the torpedo that removes the water friction which slows down the torpedo. Now the torpedo onlyhas air friction to contend with. Air has less friction than water does thus allowing the torpedo to go faster.
Perhaps the UFO's are doing the same type of thing. Instead of air injected in front of the direction of travel, maybe here is something else that repels the air causing a vacuum which has no friction or sonic-boom associated with it.
The Navy thing was reported in Popular Science about 6 months ago. The UFO thing is my speculation. I don't know what is placed, if anything, in front of the UFO's travel direction that makes the air move away. A magnetic field is a good idea, but somehow I don't think that is what the UFO's use. They probably have some thing that we (general public) don't yet know about.
But the supercavitating torpedo—a rocket-propelled weapon that speeds through the water enveloped in a nearly frictionless air bubble—may render obsolete the old submarine strategy of sly maneuvering and silent running to evade the enemy.
Supercavitation is the use of cavitation effects to create a large bubble of gas inside a liquid, allowing an object to travel at great speed through the liquid by being wholly enveloped by the bubble. The cavity (the bubble) reduces the drag on the object, since drag is normally about 1,000 times greater in liquid water than in a gas. Current applications are mainly limited to very fast torpedoes.
It may be possible to meet DARPA's target for the sonic boom by changing the shape of the aircraft, and without using exotic technologies such as plasmas.
In a letter to researcher William Steinman, Dr. Robert I. Sarbacher who was with the Washington Institute of Technology, confirms that some of the scientists involved in the study of recovered flying discs were Dr. Vannever Bush, John von Neumann, and Dr. Robert Oppenheimer. Steinman also discovered that one of the scientists working on saucer technology from the early days was Dr. Eric Henry Wang who became Director of the Department of Special Studies, within the Structures Division, of the old Wright Air Development Center, near Dayton, Ohio.
The Bi-Field Theory:
From a scientist: “The primary propulsion system is electro-magnetic flux directional positive force generating system. The secondary propulsion system is a anti-gravity (using fluid plasma) directional negative force generating system. Remember, these are our terms. The entire craft can be a super conductor or a super capacitor depending on how the propulsion system is configured. Like I said, the system is extremely complicated. Unless you understand the entire system, which we don't, you won't understand what I am saying. The electrical system works on a vacuum vacated energy principle. This system generates an unlimited amount of power. The Visitors have determined that hydrogen has many more isotopes than we thought. H5 is one isotopes they harnessed and use as a catalyst inside the power device.”
What is a negative force generating system?
This was something proposed a long time ago by engineer Leonard G. Cramp in trying to explain flying saucer propulsion when he alluded to the bi-field theory, the G field and the R field. He says, “Of the G field-propelled craft discussed earlier (the use of an artificially created gravitational field), we could say that it was gravitationally moved towards its point source, or, due to a decreased gravitational field strength above it, it is repelled by the ‘denser’ space beneath, and either could be equally true…of the R-field (Repulsion Field) vehicle, we might say that was repulsively moved away from its point source or, due to the increased gravitational field strength below it, it is attracted to the less ‘dense’ space above, and either could be true..” Leonard goes on to propose that both G-field and R-field, one convertible into the other are in use in UFOs.
Paul Hill, retired and now deceased NASA scientist in his excellent technical analysis of UFOs in his book Unconventional Flying Objects considers that the UFO generates a repulsive field. He says, “it is shown that the UFO field is not of the static-electric or static-magnetic type. Rather, it appears to be a quasi-static field of a negative-gravity type. This is concluded because the data shows that the UFO field repels all mass, not just electrically charged or magnetic materials.”
Townsend Brown’s Electrogravitic Capacitors:
Strange as it seems it was during the 1950s that various aircraft companies started research projects on the control of gravity and electro-gravitational propulsion. It is possible that these projects constituted some of the first reverse engineering projects on extraterrestrial propulsion systems.
American physicist and inventor, T. Townsend Brown discovered an effect of highly charged disk-shaped capacitors. When the capacitors were charged in excess of 50 KV, they would have a tendency to accelerate in the direction of the positive pole. Suspending a number of these disk capacitors from a freely rotating carousel would cause, when charged, the entire assembly to rotate. These charged capacitors could also levitate.
According to the Air Force Manual from Wright-Patterson AFB on Electrogravitics we have this description on the Thomas Townsend Brown discovery.
Electrogravitics might be described as a synthesis of electrostatic energy used for propulsion - either vertical propulsion or horizontal or both - and gravitics, or dynamic counterbary, in which energy is also used to set up a local gravitational force independent of the earth’s.
Electrostatic energy for propulsion has been predicted as a possible means of propulsion in space when the thrust from a neutron motor or ion motor would be sufficient in a dragless environment to produce astronomical velocities. But the ion motor is not strictly a part of the science of electrogravitics, since barycentric control in an electrogravitics system is envisaged for a vehicle operating within the earth’s environment and it is not seen initially for space application. Probably large scale space operations would have to await the full development of electrogravitics to enable large pieces of equipment to be moved out of the region of the earth’s strongest gravity effects. So, though electrostatic motors were thought of in 1925, electrogravitics had its birth after the War, when Townsend Brown sought to improve on the various proposals that then existed for electrostatic motors sufficiently to produce some visible manifestation of sustained motion. Whereas earlier electrostatic tests were essentially pure research, Brown’s rigs were aimed from the outset at producing a flying article. As a private venture he produced evidence of motion using condensers in a couple of saucers suspended by arms rotating round a central tower with input running down the arms. The massive-k situation was summarized subsequently in a report, Project Winterhaven, in 1952. Using the data some conclusions were arrived at that might be expected from ten or more years of intensive development - similar to that, for instance, applied to the turbine engine. Using a number of assumptions as to the nature of gravity, the report postulated a saucer as the basis of a possible interceptor with Mach 3 capability. Creation of a local gravitational system would confer upon the fighter the sharp-edged changes of direction typical of motion in space.
The essence of electrogravitics thrust is the use of a very strong positive charge on one side of the vehicle and a negative on the other. The core of the motor is a condenser and the ability of the condenser to hold its charge (the k-number) is the yardstick of performance. With air as 1, current dielectrical materials can yield 6 and use of barium aluminate can raise this considerably, barium titanium oxide (a baked ceramic) can offer 6,000 and there is promise of 30,000, which would be sufficient for supersonic speed.
The original Brown rig produced 30 fps on a voltage of around 50,000 and a small amount of current in the milliamp range. There was no detailed explanation of gravity in Project Winterhaven, but it was assumed that particle dualism in the subatomic structure of gravity would coincide in its effect with the issuing stream of electrons from the electrostatic energy source to produce counterbary. The Brown work probably remains a realistic approach to the practical realization of electrostatic propulsion and sustentation. Whatever may be discovered by the Gravity Research Foundation of New Boston a complete understanding and synthetic reproduction of gravity is not essential for limited success. The electrogravitics saucer can perform the function of a classic lifting surface - it produces a pushing effect on the under surface and a suction effect on the upper, but, unlike the airfoil, it does not require a flow of air to produce the effect.
Originally posted by mcrom901
plasma cavitation anybody?
Originally posted by hotrice
Why don't UFO's produce a sonic boom? In many of the sightings the UFO's suddenly accelerate from a stationary position to Mach speeds without producing a sonic boom. Logic says that they should still produce a sonic boom no matter what the UFO's method of propulsion is, ie. - antigravity. The fact is that a sonic boom is formed by the compression of air. UFO's are not exempt from this phenomenon as they hold physical properties that are identical to our aircraft. Any ideas?
The information offered on this webpage is a very brief look at a UFO drive system that will help to explain the "hyper drive UFO" phenomenon, whereby UFO craft are observed to project a beam of energy ahead of them and appear to ride into that beam - and thus are pulled rather than propelled by the UFOs generated forces. Certainly this is how it appears in the video footage of the "hyper-drive" UFOs observed and filmed over Mexico in the 1990's (and subsequently shown on British TV), and in the observation of this pulling force by Clark McClelland (Former ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet, KSC, Florida - USA) in his "hyper drive" UFO sighting. The brief details below are based on technical information research-developed recently regarding a The Double-Helix "Onion Drive" System and was sourced to me on 18 May 2003 by Jeff Savage an engineer/researcher and his associate Richard Robson a physics consultant. Some of the technical conclusions for this project (alluded to briefly below) could not have been made without the additional input from physicist Warren York I might add, and an additional mention is in order for Clark McClelland in subsequently attracting Dr. Hal Puthoffs attention (at the Institute For Advanced Studies - Austin, Texas) to the details of this unique energy generation system.
Strictly speaking this projected beam UFO drive system is not an "anti-gravity" one, and is a system that works on creating a gravity-wave displacement, but the fact that it has the ability to project the barrel of that displacement to any distance ahead of it means that it has the ability to adjust it’s degree of acceleration, and that it can adjust the bore of that barrel means it can greatly adjust it’s velocity (and it’s potential to do such things as manipulate gravity-space-time).
If you consider a Schauberger Repulsine ‘craft’ doing what it does by mechanical means – the Onion Drive UFO in its beam-drive mode does the same by electrical means but has the power to project its gravity-manipulating force much further. This Onion Drive system is also similar in some ways to a Searl Effect IGV (Inverted-Gravity Vehicle) but then again is much more controllable and infinitely more powerful.
Paul E Potter (13 Jan 2004)