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Tyendinaga Mohawks Brace For Police Carnage.

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posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 02:04 PM
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Tyendinaga Mohawks Brace For Police Carnage.


bsnorrell.blogspot.com

...Canada,Ontario and the band council want to set up a mega jail in the middle of the community.The Mohawks are adamantly against this....Tensions are running high today as residents wait for the arrival of this “rogue” police station.Police Chief Ron Maracle has warned the people that he is prepared to use force to set up the multi million dollar high tech security jailhouse.He already threatened that if local residents keep complaining,they’ll be the first inmates.
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 02:04 PM
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Why is it when the Natives of Canada and America are being treated like s**t it never becomes mainstream news?

Yet again here is another example of the Canadian government showing little care for a Native community.As stated in the article,the people there need health,education and fresh water,
(Why,in a western 'civilized' country are there people without fresh water!?)not the stealing of land or the building or a prison.


Not only is there plenty of other places to build such a huge prison,the actions of the Canadian government is illegal.The British Crown agreed to recognize and protect the right of the Tyendinaga Mohawks land on the Culbertson Tract.And the Canadian government has also recognized their right to it.

(The Culbertson is a tract of land, 923 acres in size that runs along the eastern boundary of Tyendinaga. It was stolen by the Feds in 1837.Tyendinaga's Chiefs immediately registered their people's dissent but no formal legal process existed to pursue its return.After the Government finally got around to creating such a process in 1991,Tyendinaga filed a formal land claim.In November 2003, the Feds acknowledged that the Culbertson Tract was never surrendered and is Mohawk Land. They then tried for several years to get Tyendinaga to take a buy-out for the land.The people of Tyendinaga repeatedly refused.)


Its sad to know,that in this day and age,the Natives of the Americas still do not receive the same treatments and rights as other citizens and that their land can still be stolen off them.





bsnorrell.blogspot.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 02:40 PM
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These idiots have been trying to provoke a bloody response from the Canadian government for at least four years now. Thwy keep predicting that one cause or abother will result in massive intervention by the Mounties, the Military or whatever.

Nothing ever happens.

They are trying to set up as a seperate government in Canada. There is no provision under Canadian law (or British law before that) that would allow for this.

They hate the fact that in Canada, the government controlls who is an Indian, who is allowed to be registered in a tribe or band, who can receive services on a reserve (what in the uS is called a reservation), etc.

The Mohawks refuse to try to work through non-violent means to achieve their aims. They keep trying to provoke a response from the government, get some of their folks killed, and then claim that they were attacked.

By the way, I am Canadian, and am Métis myself.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 02:47 PM
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I think they understand that once the prison is built it will be full of Mohawks.

Gives them a reason to fight and stay free.

Afterall, if you knew that they were building a prison on your land given to yo via treaty and all the metis would fill it would`nt you want to fight for your freedom.

Maybe not.

I have found many Canadians have been domesticated by the powers that be so most Canadians would not put up a fight.

Go Mohawks.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 03:19 PM
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Who the hell would want a Prison right in te middle of their community? They are absolutely right to protest this. I'm sure there are more appropriate areas for a development like this.

to Canadian treaty breakers



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 09:04 AM
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This building is not a prison. It is simply a new police building to replace an old building that was originally built in 1917. The 20 protestors are acting against their own community and spreading lies and fear mongering. No one seems to want to report the truth anymore, it's all sensationalized bull. It's obviously true that there were many injustices done to Indian people at the hands of the colonial government and the government continues to stall on legitimate land claims, but this has nothing to do with a group of individuals who are trying to control the community by fear and intimidation. People in Tyendinaga are more fed up with the actions of these protestors than the government!



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 09:23 AM
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I think they understand that once the prison is built it will be full of Mohawks.


Probably true.

Also,its their land by law,no one has a right to build anything on it unless they are given permission by the Mohawks.Yet,by standing up for their rights they are being threatened by people who are supposed to uphold the very laws that are supposed to protect their land.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 09:41 AM
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If the Band Council has approved it -which they have - then the Federal and Provincial governments are acting fairly. They're dealing with the group that supposedly is representing the res. Unless they were appointed by the Province or the Feds? Doesn't seem all that likely to me.

Sounds like there's problems within the community leadership that need to be taken care of. Perhaps the people on res should be taking care of that first.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 09:51 AM
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I am amazed at the power that Canadian First Nations have obtained in Canada in the past decade.

They seem to be getting both street cred as well as political teeth.

I have worked on a few rez and I have a limited understanding of the politics that go on.

I have fully seen the poverty though.

If you take the poverty, political power, more street power soon you have a force to be reckoned with.

The First Nation community can become the decideing political wedge very soon in Canada so it may be of interest to forge an understanding now.

Go Mohawks!



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 10:20 AM
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If the Band Council has approved it -which they have - then the Federal and Provincial governments are acting fairly. They're dealing with the group that supposedly is representing the res. Unless they were appointed by the Province or the Feds? Doesn't seem all that likely to me.


But its likely that,if they haven't represented the views of their people,then the government may have coerced them in some way to accept the deal.Lets face it,it wouldn't be the first time thats happened to the NA.

The question also has to asked,why build on a reservation when there is plenty of other land available?



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 10:39 AM
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Gee, I thought that only the 'EVIL' US stomped all over First Nations. The Canadians, being such level .ed folks, would never think of doing anything like that!! If its anything like here, the tribal council has been bought and payed for and the hell with the rest of the members. I'll bet that there will not be many Mohawks working there either and its right smack dab in the middle of their community! That too, is typical. The land can be bought cheap anbd used for everybody else BUT the Mohawk Nation!!

Zindo



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by jakyll

But its likely that,if they haven't represented the views of their people,then the government may have coerced them in some way to accept the deal.Lets face it,it wouldn't be the first time thats happened to the NA.

The question also has to asked,why build on a reservation when there is plenty of other land available?


Why indeed?



Territory needs police station

Posted 25 days ago

Up till a few weeks ago, I could go for a ride on the ATV trails behind my house and nearly anywhere on the Territory. This was a good way to go out and have some fun and take some of my grand-kids for a ride with me to share some time with them.

This all ended when the morning of the first day of school, I noticed my 500 Polaris Sportsman was missing from my portable shed. It wasn't a new bike, only about a '97, but it was in great running condition. It was green and had a toolbox on the front and a N. Y. plate on the back. I immediately called the police here on the rez and reported this theft. I guess it don't matter: without insurance on the bike the police report is useless.

The thing that really irritates me is that I know who took my bike and the cops know who took my bike and I think about two-thirds of the people on the rez know who took this bike. Still it seems that the guilty ones who stole my bike along with numerous others from around the rez and surrounding areas are just getting away with these thefts.

I find it funny that you can drive around here and see young guys out cruising around on expensive ATVs and yet they are not working anywhere.

I cannot just run out and buy another ATV and, due to the fact I have a conscience, I couldn't go out and steal one like it seems a lot of people are doing these days.

I just wish that the police could catch these people and put them in jail where they belong!

Being a victim of crime is a stressful experience and it changes your whole outlook on life. I notice that I'm bitter and basically just PO'd about this theft and even depressed a little.

I think that the reason that this group of a few members of our rez are so against the new police building being installed here is just plain and simple -- they don't want the police to be able to do their jobs, as that may endanger their way of life.

We need this building installed and we need more cops on the rez to get control of the rampant thieves we have amongst us here on Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory.


Whoops! They're not building a prison, or a super jail, they're building a POLICE STATION! Not OPP, not RCMP, but a $1.9 million dollar prefab building to house the *gasp* Tyendinaga Mohawk First Nation Police Service. The native cops. Paid for with casino money, and like ANY other infrastructure request, backed more than 50% by the province and the feds. The band and the Mohawk cops asked for it.

Now why would that be?

Oh, right. Rampant crime on the res from a handful of Mohawks.

Want more info?

Here ya go:
OH, looks like the band is already working on that water problem at the school.

And Indian Affairs - the Feds - will pick up the tab for that.

How big is this monstrosity? Just big enough to allow an increase from 8 native officers to eleven.

Two years of planning and community consultation. Now who poured concrete in the lines?

Yeah, I guess you're right. It's all the white man's fault.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 07:26 PM
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I disagree.


Tyendinaga Band Council Chief, R. Don Maracle, was at the demonstration until noon and then left for lunch, leaving the truckers behind. The multi-million dollar portable modular mega-prison was still on the trucks. Who needs a prison when many Mohawks have been waiting years for decent housing and clean water? They built a huge fire at the entrance to the site, cooked and served everybody some food, including the truckers. Then the truckers left.

Canada sent in what looked like a colonial invading army? If you blinked your eyes, you would have thought you were in the Middle East. The U.S. set up governments in Iraq similar to the “band” and “tribal” councils on Turtle Island whose goal is to “municipalize” and assimilate us. In Iraq they created local armies to protect these U.S. puppets. People were recruited and trained to terrorize their own communities. This is common totalitarian practice.

www.agoracosmopolitan.com...





OH, looks like the band is already working on that water problem at the school.


Read this article properly.Its says;


Band officials, meanwhile, say a plan is already in the works to replace an old water system in the school.


A plan in the works doesn't mean they have started the actual work.





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posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 07:36 PM
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The multi-million dollar portable modular mega-prison was still on the trucks.




THINK about that statement. Just think about it for a second. Do you see any problems with it?

This is Joyceville pen. it's big, but it's not classed as a "Mega Prison".

How many trucks, roughly, do you figure it would take to get something even half that size up the 401 from Guelph?

$1.9 million is the price - not "multi-million dollar". The foundations have been laid - there is, I believe, a photo showing the construction site in one of the links I posted. It's nothing even remotely close to a "Mega Prison". That sounds better though, doesn't it?



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 07:53 PM
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Ever heard of mega trucks?

Click on image for full length.






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posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by jakyll
Ever heard of mega trucks?



[edit on 3-11-2008 by jakyll]





I'm not in Canada at the moment, and I'm a little slack on local news. Could you post a link to the story of the #6 and the 401 being closed down for a convoy of quarry trucks? Considering they've been turned back a few times now, I'd figure that'd be pretty big news. What with dismantling the overpasses and commuter chaos caused by driving trucks that are three lanes wide up the highway and all that.

Frankly, I'd like to see that. Lotsa contempt for Toronto here.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 08:15 PM
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Did i say those were the trucks used?

No.I was merely giving you an example.

And mega long haul trucks are used throughout Europe and they cause little chaos on their journey.

[edit on 3-11-2008 by jakyll]



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 08:42 PM
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Oh, you're in Europe.

I figured the first picture you posted was for scale or something - trucks larger than the first rig are pretty commonplace on Canadian highways. The trailer the Mohawks have converted to a billboard on the 401 by the Tyendinaga res is bigger than the one being towed in the picture.

I guess a lot of what I had to say is probably lost on you.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 11:19 PM
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It's understandable if he is in Europe... last time I visited Europe I was absolutely baffled by how small their transports were and how narrow their streets are.

I guess our Canadian government doesn't trust our driving unless it's on a lane twice as wide, and about half the speed... who knows. lol.


This dispute with the Tyendinegans has been going on for some time. Not too long ago they had barricaded the local highway, and threatened to stop rail transit (Not sure how they intended to accomplish that one).

On one hand, yes, they have a right to their land, and we are to respect that right, we can't go developing on their land simply because we feel the need to.

On the other hand, last time I passed through the reserve, it was quite the depressing place. Most of the buildings were barely standing... (of course, the chiefs house was incredibly expensive, at the expense of the rest of the natives on the reserve of course.)
Now I don't know if it's education, trade, or regulations that cause them to live in near poverty... but their chief taking a huge cut isn't exactly beneficial to them.
I understand that living in the reserve has it's tax incentives, and tack on welfare to that, and you're laughing... but for crying out loud, DO something with the extra leeway. Start businesses... have some pride in who you are!
You can maintain your houses without large sums of money...

But... it's wrong for me to judge. If they don't mind not keeping their houses in a livable condition, then it's not for me to say otherwise... but I've had allot of native friends who abandoned the reserves for exactly that reason.

Most of them have said it in one way or another, it's like the people they left back at the reserve had simply given up.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 04:49 AM
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Nice superiority complex there, northener. (see what I did there :lol


There has to be land that is already used someplace that can be converted for this purpose. Having to build new when I am sure there is a place ready for demolition and reconstruction available to the government is illogical and immoral.

Why the heck, in a the age of information and "equality" haven't the tribes of the whole continent (and "South America") gotten together to fight their lands being seized?! Hey, maybe the Mohawks have had enough and WANT to die because people say "you need to do paper work".

No law on the books YET, sir, is no excuse. The English system is Empirical and destructive at it's core as you can already see if you look around the planet and consider history.

Pardon if I sound a bit gruff but I am a "two shades darker than a white" person and get very riled up over this non-unity of the Nations - the "Eskimos" and nordic Nations should ALL make a concurrent United Nations, bring in the Aboriginals in Australia and as many of the other little tribes, too in my opinion. Not conspiring is what got us here in the first place and for our "sworn enemies of the past" to still mask the the "enemy of NOW" is repulsive and foolish. What's the Cherokee joke, something like "I no longer have the ability to war, so I walk the straight road"? Ya, keep on walking and see what these corporate bastards will do...




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