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posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 11:36 AM
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I have been reading about different theories for years but can honestly say I have not made much progress in deciding which hypotheses is the most convincing. So I thought the best route to take was to ask all of the experts on ATS. I am relatively a newbie on here so don't want to get shot down in flames.So here goes which hypothesis do you support, which seems more plausible and why?

1) Staging hypothesis. Where aliens have stage managed an appearance to educate humans that we are not the only ones.
2) Hostility hypothesis- that aliens are hostile.
3) Time travel hypothesis- that aliens and ufo's are capable of time travel and are from a parallel dimension.
4) Perception or illusion- observers are mistaken (wash my mouth out with soap and water!)
5) Psychosocial hypothesis- that observers are suffering some form of mental disorder. (usual vilification of believers by sceptics)
6) Ley lines- That UFO's travel along lines within the earths magnetic energy using a form of psychic energy, intimated by Watson in the 1920's.

Many thanks
xxx




posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 11:41 AM
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I think each of these cases exist and the confusion comes in when thinking one OR the other is correct. The challenge is to learn to discern between them and chose which ones you want to look into more deeply.

2 cents



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 11:43 AM
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I don't believe that time travel is possible, inasmuch that you can't occupy the same space any amount of time in the past, simply because I believe that any mechanism that we develop for anti grav or time travel will no doubt remove us or make us stationary in terms of the three "known" dimensions, or instantly port us to another point in space, and given that the planet and everything for that matter are constantly moving at great speeds covering massive amounts of space, we will end up on the other side of the universe trying to go back in time 50 years, etc.

in terms of the alien hypothesis, it's hard to say really, i think the most plausible is the staging hypothesis, but i think my personal favourite is that we HAVE mastered time travel some time in the distant future, and all the "UFO"s we are seeing now, are simply touris trips back in time by our descendants to see how primitive and simple we really were. ie: " They REALLY used fossil fuels? when dark energy and matter are so readily available and always being naturally produced??" "It's a wonder we survived as a species for as long as we did with these neanderthalls are our predecessors" "There's no WAY that we evolved from these... these... primitive creatures"


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posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 11:54 AM
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Ok, here's my opinion


Originally posted by ufo girl
1) Staging hypothesis. Where aliens have stage managed an appearance to educate humans that we are not the only ones.


Agree, although I think the appearances are intended to be subtle



2) Hostility hypothesis- that aliens are hostile.


Quite possible, although I think more evidence is needed to determine what their true intentions are



3) Time travel hypothesis- that aliens and ufo's are capable of time travel and are from a parallel dimension.


Possible I guess, although I would be more interested in investigating the possibility of travelling via worm holes.



4) Perception or illusion- observers are mistaken (wash my mouth out with soap and water!)


I think in many cases people are mistaken. To really help increase the credibility of UFO research, a non biased investigation would have to be done. UFO believers jump to the conclusion of yes it was a UFO, without examining other possibilities, while debunkers do the opposite.

But yes, on many occasions people are mistaken



5) Psychosocial hypothesis- that observers are suffering some form of mental disorder. (usual vilification of believers by sceptics)


Thats also possible, although in some cases its the "I want to believe syndrome" too



6) Ley lines- That UFO's travel along lines within the earths magnetic energy using a form of psychic energy, intimated by Watson in the 1920's.

Many thanks
xxx


I doubt this one, I dont trust the guy that came up with that theory



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 12:24 PM
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reply to post by ufo girlHi ug,I'm plainmike. I want to go with # 1. Read a thread titled, "my 11 year old sighting of a uRo" by 'emanresui' that was me also. I'll venture to guess that certain conditions have to be in place for anyone to just see something...if you want to see more take a look at my michael's theory thread. If many partake EXACTLY as prescribed & NOTHING happens for any of us, then at least we'll have narrowed down someof the possibiities. At this point I'd suggest the that presence of at least one other advanced/tool using species IS here, but that it's nt to their avantage to PROVE anything by concensus...see also "think like an alien" by plainmike, this should give you something to go on for now. I know you are ufo girl, but ug for short seemed comical...smiling.
 





posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 12:33 PM
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For what it's worth.

I just finished this post at the same time you started this thread.

I would expect many of you out there will hammer away at me for it but here it is anyway....

I take the time on ATS sharing this kind of information because I feel it my duty to share. I have never posted a single encounter/experience I've had with ET's ever. I keep those for myself, but when it comes to things I've been shown, told and just know well I'm willing to toss a bone and whoever is meant for it will pick up on it.


Definition of ET.

We think of ET's as extraterrestrial beings from other planets.

Little creatures or whatever our society has led us to believe.

Yes some of these ET's do come from other planets and some of them DO NOT.

IT's true they come in all forms.

Some of them live in pure energy form. The universe is made of pure energy and all physical things or the creation of the physical universe came into existence from what?

Some people think it was just a BIG BANG and came from NOTHING.

BOOM there it is SUDDENLY.


Bbbbbzzzzzzzzzzz WRONG ANSWER,


The universe existed before it became physical in pure energy form.

ENERGY, is eternal and never dies.

SOULS, are made of pure energy/intelligence and never die.

The only thing the universe did was Materialize upon coming into existence. ET's from higher dimensions in pure energy form can materialize and de-materialize in our 3D universe.

This means our physical universe could DE-materialize if someone wanted it to.

That means everything we see all matter---everything in the universe all galaxies, trillions of stars BOOM could vanish into thin air.

So what would we be left with then? ENERGY.

So we don't mix it all up.

ET's can consist of beings from another planet just like us in the physical.

ET's can also consist of beings that live beyond what we know as space and time in pure energy form. Time does not yet exist, space does not exist in the way it does in 3D-- travel is instantaneous, these are called the higher dimensions above 3D land.

There are no physical laws that apply to these dimensions only higher laws of eternal spirit matter. What is eternal spirit matter. ENERGY.

It's all ENERGY...lol


If you could leave your body right now you would be what? ENERGY,

You would appear as a ball of light, this is your soul made of ENERGY,LIGHT.


Beings from the 4th-5th-12th and so on dimensions.

ET Definition for no mix-ups.

ET's can be Family members---Deceased, what we call Angels in all shapes and forms.

What we call demons, what we call God, what we call spirits, what we call poltergeists, all of the things people have seen etc. etc. etc.

The universe is full of all kinds of energy and various entities some with a soul and some without.

Some with form and some without. Beings that exist could be cloud looking or like gas. They are still alive in energy form and some have souls and some do not.

When we think of physical ET's from other planets in this 3D universe they come in all shapes and sizes but not all have the ability to materialize and de-materialize into energy form because they do not have access to the higher dimensions. Just like we do not have access to the higher dimensions.

Beings that can materialize and dematerialize are what we call immortal.
They cannot die in both worlds because energy is eternal and never dies.
What does this mean? Since we are also made of energy in spirit form we are also immortal beings just like them. However since we did not come from higher dimensions we cannot yet materialize or de-materialize from 3D into higher dimensions --This is why our physical 3D bodies are imperfect and will die. The beings who materialize from higher dimensions into physical 3D bodies have perfect bodies and never die.

These are what some would call Angels from heaven, however you look at it all of these beings are ET's. Our history has only mis-understood and mis-interpreted things, everything is ET and yes there is an order to the universe and what we call GOD does exist just not in the way everyone thinks.

Most ETs that are here on our planet work from the other dimensions and are of pure energy form. They are what we call immortal beings that can live both in 3D land which is not as comfortable or higher dimensions which are beyond human understanding and belief.

So this means not all extraterrestrials visiting earth are from our 3D universe only some.

So when we think of ET, I would hope people open their minds a little bit to the true definition of what ET really means and is.

It's not just a little being like we are told.

IT IS EVERYTHING, not of this world in all dimensions higher or lower.

I don't care what religion you are but your GOD of that religion is ET literally.

Just think about it.

ET equals not of this world.







[edit on 30-10-2008 by Malevolent_Aliens]



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 12:35 PM
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Thanks PM(T) I will check out you suggestions. UG xx



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by ufo girl
So here goes which hypothesis do you support, which seems more plausible and why?

None of these.
IMHO the answer is much more incredible than anything we can imagine. The reason why we see aliens & UFOs could be beyond our understanding. I mean if there was a single simple reason we would know by now from the accumulated lore of encounters. The random aspect of UFOs is very puzzling, as if they were here by mistake most of the time. Maybe the main reason is aliens get lost between dimensions and wander aimlessly in our atmosphere while the on-board computer is busy calculating new hyperspace jump coordinates?



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 12:44 PM
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first off, welcome to the forum! I have a tendency to agree with sky floating, yet also believe there are other scenarios being played out;

it could also be a case of bad alien wanting to enslave us and eat us along with the good guys that want to help us without breaking or bending the rules;

find one idea or concept that resonates with you and pursue it thoroughly; then move to the next if it doesn't convince you totally.

good hunting and welcome again!




seeker



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 12:46 PM
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reply to post by SkyfloatingHello Skyfloating. Your thread "alien contact meditation" was the inspiration for my thread, "michael's theory". I was thinking, why not ratchet it up a bit, but in your wisdom I guess you realized that the uninitiated'd need milk before meat. I paused reading the thread after several pages, but'll return later to see what the various results where for those who did the meditation. I did not do it because I believe...they can contact me if they see fit. As we move forward in time, the people like Ufo Girl stand the best chance for contact of any sort because of their openess to the possibilities I suppose. The question for me is still, what do I do now?
 



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 12:54 PM
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reply to post by Malevolent_AliensCool; it just flashed on me that while they are occupying our consciousness there is at least a portion of them that is by defenition not EXTRAterrestrial?
 



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 12:58 PM
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I give my 2:

The first thing you might want to do is investigate what an Alien IS, or might be for you...

As you go along that path, some doors might open and give you a better look into how the Universe is made, how it works, and a glimpse into some of the components of it. That alone can answer some of your questions.

If I gave you more specifics it would be ok, but then you would need to verify it yourself anyways, so might as well start with the definition.

I agree with Malevolent on the energetics of the Universe, with one clarification, and one that might help ufogirl:

In some instances, WE appear as aliens in other "dimensions", and we don't still fulfill the "immortality" category, or consider ourselves "Alien" in any way...

Think about it.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by plainmike
reply to post by Malevolent_AliensCool; it just flashed on me that while they are occupying our consciousness there is at least a portion of them that is by defenition not EXTRAterrestrial?
 




True, there is also a portion of yourself that while connected in consiousness becomes extraterrestrial. Then of course there are beings from other planets that were officially physically born here on 3D earth that would make them "Native" not ET's anymore. Before you were born you were an extraterrestrial by definition. Alot of possibilites.


We have also heard many times that we are all in formation of 1 large organism or being in bits and pieces, it was scientifically proven that all 3D physical matter in the universe came from one source, this implicates that not only are all beings of life in this universe connected physically but spiritually from energy as well. This means all souls came from one source and are interconnected with each other in consiousness--intelligence. Some believe we are bits and pieces of GOD the creator others believe we are GOD connected in consiousness, co-creators creating--The creator of creation and part of creation at the same time.

If we are spiritually connected from one source of consiousness what would that mean? It means that all these extraterrestrials are connected to us in spirit as well and they are in fact long lost relatives and family, if you look at the entire picture of it which is beyond the human mind of understanding we have endless relatives from endless lives of existence and most of them are ET's and family members with no number-- infinite--The one's in higher dimensions are tending to us and watching over us like guardian angels, we are family because we are all interconnected in creation and through spirit.


So when I hear about hostile ET's, sure there are hostile ET's just like there are humans that are hostile.

Just like there are family members that are hostile, you might even have a brother that is serving time in the state pen.


But keep this in mind, everything that happens in our 3D world has a higher purpose then any of us can see or realize. If someone is afraid that we will be invaded by hostile aliens to kill us all and take over the world they are wrong. The higher up ET's will never allow it to happen, the lower down 3D ET's from our physical universe might want to take over the planet and kill and eat us even sure. Hell even a few humans and black groups on earth would love to take over the world kill some of us and perhaps even eat some of us....HOWEVER the higher up ET's won't allow it to happen.

They are baby-sitting not only us but all of the other extraterrestrials with selfish motives-cruel-evil motives. There is nothing to fear on this earth if your time was to have an accident, catch a disease, or die whatever happens to you was approved by the higher up ET's for your own welfare that are benevolent.

Sometimes suffering is for our own welfare, if you have an uncle in the state pen doing his time for a crime well he is suffering a little bit as a punishment but it is still for his own welfare. Many of us need to go through pain and suffering in this life for our own welfare. Many of us are here for that very purpose and earth can be used as a prison for some. Don't tell me you don't remember what you did in the last life to deserve such a harder than average life... Of course you don't but everyone gets what they put out from past life-times, this lifetime and in the next until we learn the lesson we need -- qualifying us for the greater and higher dimensions.


So do we worry about Evil, Malevolent ET's?
There is no such thing as evil ET's in the higher dimensions they don't exist, they are not allowed they get kicked out, we are in fact some of those evil ET's that are not yet allowed...Evil Et's can only exist in our certain dimensions including 3D and the lower dimensions. They are not allowed to pass on into the higher-- they get thrown back down for being naughty.


The law of attraction is the law of justice, what you put out is what you get back. If you hurt others and do evil you will get it back in your own time what you dished out and you will NEVER pass onto the higher dimensions until you learn your lesson of being closer to perfection and being good in every shape, way and form. Only good, loving beings exist in the higher up dimensions, where there is no greed but equality in all things.



Yada yada yada!




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posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 02:13 PM
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All this stuff is so interesting, where would I meet up with people who could tell me more? I love the fact that all the info that I usually absorb lays along the same lines, and doesn't deviate. That's how I know if it's true. I just want to learn more and get involved.

I've been reading genesis revisited and there is no question some of that stuff is more than likely.

Is there anyone I could contact?


Ollie



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 11:42 PM
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Firstly, Welcome to ATS!

I don't think we can say with certainty that any of the hypothesis presented are 100% correct as they are more indicative of personal belief than fact. We simply don't know enough at this point so it's best to keep an open mind regarding every aspect of the phenomena. That way we stay open to the truth once it does actually present itself. Indoctrinated 'belief' just isn't helpful in this instance.

Though it's fun to postulate, it is still a guessing game. We only know but a small fraction at best and the rest is colored by hunches, individual perception and sometimes good old imagination.

Star & Flag 4 U


IRM


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posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 06:21 AM
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Hi ufo girl I also have had and am still having UFO interactions. I agree that all of these statements are possibilities. I think along the same line as benevolent aliens. That perhaps some ET's are more like angels, very spiritual beings, guiding us along a pathway but being careful not to interfere with our freewill. At the same time there are some which are power hungry and agressive, a bit like we would be if we could travel to other planets.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 07:17 AM
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Originally posted by whiterabbit85
I don't believe that time travel is possible
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Then you better read up on the Montauk Project. Time travel is very real. Here is a good place to begin. www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 05:07 PM
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i do feel like I am being guided by a guardian angel, however another argument is nature or nurture. Do we behave the way we do because of genetics or by the environment we were bought up in? or are we more free will and not pre-programmed. I agree with malevelont that there are harsh lessons to learn and that everything happens for a reason, so those who are serving time have to learn the hard way, those that are sectioned and detained have to learn the hard way. And believe me it is a difficult existence (I work in a secure unit) but also sometimes they don't want to learn but maybe that is in this life.



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