reply to post by Badge01
Yes, huge on the Mars subject.
I agree entirely that in an enclosed cabin you'd be miserable at best.
When I entertain the notion, i'm think as a minimum
On a Craft no smaller than the new Jumbo sized Double decker aircraft
Like the Airbus A380
It can hold, 555 people luggage and storage comfortably, it's so big that even given the number of people on board you can do this:
and have room for lots of people to do this
Not to just go off on my favorite new Plane
But my vision for the trip would be a crew up to 12 even
On a Shuttle craft this size...
Lifting it into orbit would be tricky, but not impossible, probably the single hardest part of the project and where the most spending would have to
It would I would imagine need to take off as a regular plane with several discard able rockets for engines to boost it into orbit at the end, perhaps
it could be attached to a few giant boosters like the shuttle but I could see inherent dangers in that given the size...
But no reason it couldn't be done
The next thing needed would be to launch replacements for those same rockets and have them waiting in space, use the space station perhaps and they
would need to be fitted in orbit
You wouldn't want the shuttle to have it's own engines supply the ride, too much fuel
this would require the most elaborate space walk in history but still not impossible, something we can do, and will need to be able to do and get done
to launch any craft in orbit ever anyway, worthwhile to pursue
So we are talking about a significant expansion of the space station being needed and... probably a few small shuttles in operation again to go back
and forth (something the usa is sorely lacking at the moment)
(these are after all just my thoughts on how to get a shuttle that size into orbit and fit it with the disposable rockets it needs for the journey to
mars, i'm not an engineer)
But it seems to be something we could do, I see no reason this requires much in the way of new technology rather existing technology on a grander
The last phase would be... New Rovers launched ahead of time
The idea being to launch several rovers that would layout a runway on an appropriate part of the surface and act as lights for the landing and
complicated but again, we have basically done this before, all the rovers would actually be needed for would be to clear any rocks out of the way
before the shuttle arrives and perhaps even lay a coating of plastic of some sort down
But surely tires that would not puncture on gravel and small rocks could be built if not...
My thought is to fly it in just like the space shuttle with redundandt layers of tile in case some fell off during the journey
probably sounds kind of complicated to have rovers go out and flatten a landing strip?
And it is, but not all that complicated I think... there are many very flat places on the surface without much in the way of large rocks, I'm sure
even with existing satellites orbiting we could find a suitable location and get some rovers down there to push aside anything larger than a
centimeter or two for a few months...
and, other solutions to the landing could be found
But the main body of the idea, is that the shuttle lands and acts as the initial base...
A shuttle this size could hold with that small a crew allot of space for the journey tons of equipment from greenhouses, to small dwellings, extra
suits... and leave plenty of room for the crew to get their space on the journey
wouldn't off the top of my head want to get into everything needed on board, but it holds luggage for 555 plus cargo and can sleep people... so I
think the size is about right for 10 to Mars and a ton of gear with room to breathe
Retract the landing gear when you land and, no dust storm is going to budge something that size, your radiation shielded, your living just isn't
flimsy like a make shift colony base would be
Plenty of room inside cargo for tons of fold out solar panels, and an extraction device to make water and air from the ice...
Maybe less people for the journey...for reasons of air and water thinking about this... maybe 6
The engineers would have to run the numbers you could pre launch water water and air tanks ahead of the craft too, to be docked to along the way, we
refuel combat jets in air, sure we could do it in space if by the numbers the journey proves an issue in this department
maybe tanks launched to the halfway point to be intercepted...tricky, but it can be done...
Don't get me wrong, we need infra structure work for this...
Probes once a month not once a year,
a major expansion to the space station
a small shuttle fleet operational again
and a regular rocket deployment system...
But... I honestly and seriously believe that the space race should get most of the money the military budget currently gets
so If this costs a trillion and takes a decade, we are still way ahead of what we spent in Iraq
I personally think and YES I know 90% of people would disagree that Nasas Budget should be in the range of 200 Billion annually
not 15-18-20 Billion
Mars is the next frontier and the economic benefits of space are indisputable
we would only be reducing the military budget by a third to do so and we have a Major Nuclear deterrent and oceans preventing any land invasion, we
would STILL be the worlds largest military spender if we put 200 Billion yearly into Nasa not very risky if you ask me, to do this
A single asteroid towed into orbit
17 Trillion in Platinum in return...
a Colony on Mars a whole new world to expand on to
and My beliefs as to the insides of the Martian Planet and how we could potentially jump start the planets core or simply inhabit the depths if not
say to me it would be worth doing.
The military benefits alone from the space budget would offset any cut in spending, the high ground is the high ground, not to be a Dick Cheney LOL,
but if you can tow a small asteroid in to mine it, you can also drop a piece of it on your enemies
Buck for buck I am sure putting 200 Bn into space yearly to reach this place would pay off...
No one thought America would be worth the time either at one point
But, this is about the size craft I see using and... it should be able to land, again, not an engineer, but if we can make something this size fly and
we have built shuttles previously, this can be done I am sure
and yeah, no delusions of keeping men, in a capsule or tiny craft for almost a year and one half... comfort, space, workout center, entertainment,
internet, games, privacy, company on the ride...
and a home when you land not some make shift fold out thing that's dropped by a lander! The craft would have to become the colony foundation
and I didn't even think of this before...
a small nuclear reactor on board would be great, permanent power, we do it in our subs and they stay down a long, long time, with allot more people on
ROFL... I could sit on this topic for days, forever really, rudimentary thoughts to explain that, I am in no way thinking some cramped craft