reply to post by chickenshoes
My feeling is why should abductees be marginalized ANYWHERE? I think it is insulting to be shoved into a forum called skunk works or the gray area. I
feel we should have our own place because like it or not, when there is a site that discusses aliens, you will get abductees. I feel ATS has a
responsibilty to treat them fairly. I liken it to apartheid. While ATS continues to ignore or push abductees into off beat froums, ignorant posters
will also feel they have an implicit right to also treat them badly like the poor relations.
There needs to be an abductee forum and it needs to state that any demanding of proof or bullying and name calling will not be tolerated. I have never
seen abductees treated worse as on ATS and that is nothing to be proud of. This situation needs rectifying. The days of probe jokes are over. Alien
abduction is real and it is traumatizing people the world over. I never would have thought that I would have to ask for fair treatment for victims of
a conspiracy here on ATS. The joke is over, it's real and it's time things were bought up to the play here. This site used to be a front
runner...now it lags sadly behind the 8 ball.
We need a place for Abductees moderated by Abductees, page 4
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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 12:10 AM by americandingbat
Reply to spacecowgirl
I thought your entire ongoing campaign has been to institutionalize a separation between abductees and non-abductees. That's apartheid – making separate areas so that two populations can't mingle. ATS takes the view that abductees are fully competent participants in the discussions that take place, equal to and able to participate with non-abductees.
As for the names of certain forums, you might want to Google "skunk works" and ""gray area". They are perfectly respectful names which are descriptive of the contents of those forums. Abduction experiences exist in a "gray area" with respect to evidence, because the only evidence is personal testimony – they can be neither proved nor disproved.
And yes, a site that talks about UFO's and abductions is going to attract abductees. I don't think that anyone wants abductees to stop coming to ATS. But ATS does not have a responsibility to meet all the requirements of any user. If you need a support group, find one. They are available at other sites.
Everybody hates the ATS trolls. And they show up in every forum, not just the Gray Area or Skunk Works. But they can be ignored, and the supportive members are actually much more numerous than the trolls.
I thought your entire ongoing campaign has been to institutionalize a separation between abductees and non-abductees. That's apartheid – making separate areas so that two populations can't mingle. ATS takes the view that abductees are fully competent participants in the discussions that take place, equal to and able to participate with non-abductees.
As for the names of certain forums, you might want to Google "skunk works" and ""gray area". They are perfectly respectful names which are descriptive of the contents of those forums. Abduction experiences exist in a "gray area" with respect to evidence, because the only evidence is personal testimony – they can be neither proved nor disproved.
And yes, a site that talks about UFO's and abductions is going to attract abductees. I don't think that anyone wants abductees to stop coming to ATS. But ATS does not have a responsibility to meet all the requirements of any user. If you need a support group, find one. They are available at other sites.
Everybody hates the ATS trolls. And they show up in every forum, not just the Gray Area or Skunk Works. But they can be ignored, and the supportive members are actually much more numerous than the trolls.
reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 03:23 AM by spacecowgirl
reply to post by americandingbat
How many times do i have to say it? There would be NO separation, EVERYONE would be welcome to participate and it would be like ALL other threads EXCEPT demanding of proof would not be tolerated. You need to treat abductions differently to other issues here because quite frankly, there IS NO OTHER ISSUE in the whole world that is as traumatic and as hidden and secretive. There needs to be some form of acceptance of this fact and some form of responsibility by ATS.
I participate on other forums here and am only posting on this thread as a response to others. I thought the point was made days ago and there was no need to continue with it so i agree with you.
How many times do i have to say it? There would be NO separation, EVERYONE would be welcome to participate and it would be like ALL other threads EXCEPT demanding of proof would not be tolerated. You need to treat abductions differently to other issues here because quite frankly, there IS NO OTHER ISSUE in the whole world that is as traumatic and as hidden and secretive. There needs to be some form of acceptance of this fact and some form of responsibility by ATS.
I participate on other forums here and am only posting on this thread as a response to others. I thought the point was made days ago and there was no need to continue with it so i agree with you.
reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 04:58 AM by ShAuNmAn-X
reply to post by spacecowgirl
I know that there are people who try to destroy threads but you have to also understand skeptics. Skeptics are only looking for evidence that a particular phenomena are indeed real. If there are members that are constantly disrupting threads the staff needs to be notified and one thing that I see people overlook quite a bit is the ignore function on ATS. If one or two people are creating havoc in the thread, one can simply add them to their ignore list.
I know that there are people who try to destroy threads but you have to also understand skeptics. Skeptics are only looking for evidence that a particular phenomena are indeed real. If there are members that are constantly disrupting threads the staff needs to be notified and one thing that I see people overlook quite a bit is the ignore function on ATS. If one or two people are creating havoc in the thread, one can simply add them to their ignore list.
reply posted on 27-11-2008 @ 11:45 PM by spacecowgirl
reply to post by ShAuNmAn-X
WHY DO I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND SKEPTICS??? Especially when they have no wish or concern to understand ANYONE ELSE??? You have to be flipping kidding me??? Understand Skeptics? Are you having me on?
NO I WILL NOT BOTHER to understand skeptics but THEY SHOULD TRY AND UNDERSTAND ABDUCTEES.
WHY DO I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND SKEPTICS??? Especially when they have no wish or concern to understand ANYONE ELSE??? You have to be flipping kidding me??? Understand Skeptics? Are you having me on?
NO I WILL NOT BOTHER to understand skeptics but THEY SHOULD TRY AND UNDERSTAND ABDUCTEES.
reply posted on 27-11-2008 @ 11:50 PM by greeneyedleo
Have you ever thought of finding a board out there solely for abductees. I mean, clearly ATS isnt offering what YOU want.
For example:
www.alienabductee.org...
For example:
www.alienabductee.org...
reply posted on 28-11-2008 @ 12:10 AM by spacecowgirl
reply to post by CA_Orot
Why on earth would I give the opinion of a skeptic a second thought? I couldn't care less what they DON'T believe in. I know what I believe in and that is that. Their whining and nay saying is of no concern to me - UNLESS- they start to abuse abductees which seems to be the norm for these NON believing peeps. THAT is when it does concern me and they will have an argument on their hands as I will NOT TOLERATE abductees being abused.
Why on earth would I give the opinion of a skeptic a second thought? I couldn't care less what they DON'T believe in. I know what I believe in and that is that. Their whining and nay saying is of no concern to me - UNLESS- they start to abuse abductees which seems to be the norm for these NON believing peeps. THAT is when it does concern me and they will have an argument on their hands as I will NOT TOLERATE abductees being abused.
reply posted on 28-11-2008 @ 12:20 AM by Shugo
reply to post by spacecowgirl
That's not in your realm of power to manage who YOU THINK is the one abusing, and the one being abused, is it? That's a trick question, I advise you not answer it.
So lets see here, you've made a contradictory statement which Carrot pointed out in the post above, now the next issue is that apparently if someone has a differenciating view on a matter, you do not accept that, you're asking for skeptics to be open minded with a close minded individual, you're DEMANDING assistance from people who you flame and attack when they point out an issue...CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.
Now tell me, why should WE be "nice" and "open minded" with you again? An attitude adjustment on your part would help you greatly.
That's not in your realm of power to manage who YOU THINK is the one abusing, and the one being abused, is it? That's a trick question, I advise you not answer it.
So lets see here, you've made a contradictory statement which Carrot pointed out in the post above, now the next issue is that apparently if someone has a differenciating view on a matter, you do not accept that, you're asking for skeptics to be open minded with a close minded individual, you're DEMANDING assistance from people who you flame and attack when they point out an issue...CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.
Now tell me, why should WE be "nice" and "open minded" with you again? An attitude adjustment on your part would help you greatly.
