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Senator Obama Redefining "95%"

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posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 12:50 AM
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Here is the most comprehensive Video as of yet, which displays the current and ongoing redefinition of "Wealthy" and "Middle-Class" by Senator Obama throughout this Election Year:





posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 01:08 AM
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What bugs me the most that they don't seem to mention is that in that second clip of Obama, the caption reads "Families making less than $200,000 get tax cut". Which is it? Taxpayers making less than $200,000 or families making less than that? I thought he was saying they won't see a tax increase, but that caption seems to promise a tax cut to those people.

Is that really an official ad for Obama? How could the one bit of text in a presumably thirty-second commercial be so inconsistent with what the man is saying on-screen?



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 07:37 AM
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I have a feeling that if he is elected the cut will be the proverbial knife in the back,as he goes on with his agenda



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 08:02 AM
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He will raise taxes on everyone. I can tell you this with certainty. How? He will let the Bush tax cuts expire, which will effectively be a tax increase from their current situation. That's the dirty little secret of the Democratic platform.

The replacement will end up subjecting 50%+ of the population to higher taxes than they pay now. But its not the Dems fault. No sir. They have a ready made excuse: the nation's poor fiscal situation.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 08:14 AM
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This is something nobody is talking about right now.

The number has gone from $250,000 a year, to $200,000 a year, straight from Obama's mouth. Then Biden has gone out and lowered it to $150,000 a year!

It's getting lower and lower all the time, and it's really quite frightening. I wonder how low the number will be by the time Obama (if he wins) is sworn in?




posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 08:25 AM
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I think if people paid closer attention they would realise that although these guys are promising a tax cut. They are going to be RAISING taxes on everything else! So when it comes down to it the tax cuts are a joke. You get say a 10% tax cut, yet the taxes on everything else go up 30% your still in the bucket....



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 08:27 AM
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Except for the people who don't work or pay taxes.

They are just going to get a nice check in the mail paid for by the hard working Americans who make over $250,000 a year…no $200,000 a year….or is it $150,000 a year?




posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 08:29 AM
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Could someone explain why you believe it's wrong to revise and redefine economic policies (taxation of the populace is an important component of economic policy) as time passes and conditions change?



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 08:30 AM
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Here's what is said on the video. LISTEN TO WHAT IS SAID:

If you make less than $250K, your taxes WILL NOT GO UP. (He didn’t say they’ll go down – In fact, he has said that they’ll STAY THE SAME for incomes between $200 and $250K.)

If you make less than $200K, you’ll get a TAX CUT.

Biden: Someone making under $150K is considered middle class.

It’s easy math, you guys. I don’t know why you’re confused.

- Biden used $150,000 as an example of a person who would get a tax cut. He didn't say it was a limit of any kind.
- Less than $200,000 income will receive tax CUTS.
- From $200K to $250K income will pay approximately the same taxes.
- Over $250K income will have increased taxes.

I get that McCain is confused, but I expected people here to comprehend. It’s pretty easy stuff…



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 08:31 AM
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Firstly because Obama has been spouting this phony number of 95% of people getting a tax break.

Each time he redefines what he believes "rich" to be, that number gets lower and lower. Combine that with his "spread the wealth" comments, and it's getting clearer and clearer what his real intention with taxes are.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by mister.old.school
Could someone explain why you believe it's wrong to revise and redefine economic policies (taxation of the populace is an important component of economic policy) as time passes and conditions change?


Yes please...I need it explained to me as well.
It seems to me that one side in particular this election season is literally "squawking" about anything and everything they can.
Colin Powell spoke very eloquently about this topic during his Obama endorsement speech a few days ago.
He said, essentially, that equating a re-evaluation/re-definition of tax policies to socialism was pretty much rediculous...and I tend to agree.

Taxation, by definition, is re-distribution of wealth, so what's different? Those who can most afford it are going to pay more? BFD!



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 08:42 AM
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There's nothing wrong with it. I just happen to disagree with his methods of doing it. The biggest fundamental change that needs to occur regarding the federal government's fiscal situation is to get spending under control. McCain probably isn't going to do it, either, but I expect spending to increase much more quickly under Obama, simply due to the fact that we'll have one-party control.

Likewise, I feel that the biggest mistake that could possibly be made in the current financial crisis is to raise taxes in any way, particularly on businesses. By doing so, you threaten to constrict demand even more, worsening the problem.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 08:44 AM
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Its not that people don't comprehend, BH. Its that his detractors simply do not trust him on the issue. We do not believe that he means what he says.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by vor78
Its not that people don't comprehend, BH. Its that his detractors simply do not trust him on the issue. We do not believe that he means what he says.


That's exactly it! I was discussing politics with my wife last night and I told her the same thing. I watched the Obama infomercial last night and I actually liked most of his policies. The problem is that I just do not trust him to actually follow through with his promises.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 09:17 AM
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Im a believer his "spread the wealth" has alot to do with his foreign policy. We wont see 1cent of this money.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by vor78
Its not that people don't comprehend, BH. Its that his detractors simply do not trust him on the issue. We do not believe that he means what he says.


Oh, ok. I misunderstood, then. I thought the purpose of this thread was to say that Obama had changed his message or changed the numbers in his tax plan.

The OP (title) claims that Obama redefined 95%. I have no idea where that comes from. nyk537 says the number has changed. He's frightened.

I got the impression they were saying Obama has actually CHANGED his tax plan and would likely continue to change it. It's good to know that it's not what Obama actually SAID that has people afraid and doubting, but their own fear and lack of trust.

I do trust him. I have no reason to believe he would not follow through to the best of his abilities. He's been steady all along, his whole life, and I have understood his tax plan from the first time I read it. Of course, I did all my own research (at his and non--biased sites) and didn't listen to people like John McCain, Jerome Corsi and WND, who would do and say anything to discredit Obama.

But at least I understand it's a matter of trust and NOT that Obama has actually lied about it.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 09:35 AM
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If you trust him, that's fine. I don't. He's like any other politician (McCain included). He's telling you what you want to hear.

Not only that, but in order to trust him, I would also have to trust the leadership of the Democratic Congress on the issue and that is something that will never happen. I wouldn't trust that group to administrate the local garbage collection system.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by vor78
I wouldn't trust that group to administrate the local garbage collection system.


At least we can agree on something,


It's always better to come to understanding, even of we don't agree.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by mister.old.school
Could someone explain why you believe it's wrong to revise and redefine economic policies (taxation of the populace is an important component of economic policy) as time passes and conditions change?


i beleive you are correct, also i beleive he is fixing it up because it is DEEPLY flawed... but hey, i don't see anything wrong with changing it so it works... *personal opinion, it won't work that well* but aside from that, as long as the american people are smart enough to keep up with him and vote according to his CURRENT *and constantly changing* status and not on what he said LAST WEEK then we'll be ok... hten again, i have heard it's a plan to 'catch' people off guard and have them vote for him intending to get the tax cut, only to realize he'd been lowering it for so long and now NOBODY gets a tax cut haahaha

but then benevolent heretic is right


Here's what is said on the video. LISTEN TO WHAT IS SAID:


i mean, he uses rhetoric and ways of wording that just... well he can be saying ANYTHING!

my opinion... obama's wording throws you off, and he changes his mind like this also... not to campaign any other candidate, but we NEED a candidate that says CLEARLY what they mean, not this vague # that can be interpeted any way , and we need a candidate that stands next to his values and plans from day one till he resigns... *my two cents on this topic and obama*

who knows what obama is doing, we certainly won't figure it out by analyzing what obama himself says, he's been proven to downplay truths.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 10:03 AM
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we the people need to take our government out and replace it neither obama or mc cain can handle our country government is corrupt our constitution protects us from this we elect we can de elect trust if either of these idiots take office our country is no more learn your constitutional rights people go to team law or you can stay and be cows on to the slaughter house with you






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