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posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 07:53 AM
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That's the problem with people using English translations and trying to find fault with God, they make comments like yours without looking into the words used in the Hebrew, but I'm sick of doing peoples research for them.....




posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 09:59 AM
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Why would God allow his Word to be so badly translated as to change all meaning and paint Him in a bad light?

In any case, since I cannot read ancient Hebrew or Greek (for the NT) and must perforce rely on translations.

I suppose there's no point in asking you for a more accurate, verified, translation of the relevant passages? There is also confusion about whether the author knew how long the flood waters prevailed

[edit on 30-10-2008 by Essan]



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 02:02 PM
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People may translate scripture to fit their own agenda, but the original scriptures are still available to all who seek, perhaps that is why God has allowed mistranslations, to see who will earnestly seek after truth.

Try this free program, it will help...

www.scripture4all.org...

and online concordances - www.eliyah.com...



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by Essan
Make up your mind will you YHWH! I've just been out and caught a pair of every fowl and now you want me to get another 6 pairs


Is it possible the extra clean animals were for food? After all, what would they eat if they only had 2 of everything?

So you take 2 of everything, 7 of everything you can eat.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 03:06 PM
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en.wikipedia.org...
"Adam and Eve were, according to the religious books the Torah, the Bible and the Qur'an, the first man and woman created by God."

How more clear do you need it than that?
So there were other men and women?But ummm God didn't create them?
You can find 100 different translations, but at the end of the day this is what it resembles.
The fact that the texts discus man in so many ways says to me it has all been altered to suit over time.

"Jewish tradition sometimes includes reference to other wives of Adam's."

Other wives?

Then how can they be the first created man and woman, by God?

"God plants a garden (the Garden of Eden) and sets the man there, "to work it and watch over it," permitting him to eat of all the trees in the garden except the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, "for on the day you eat of it you shall surely die."

Clearly this was created, to keep people from questioning things.
The tree of knowledge?
You are a sinner if you want to eat from the tree of knowledge.
This to me says "Don't ask questions just do as you are told".

Im not saying God Jesus Moses didn't exist, im not saying all of it is a lie.
But clearly we can see what we are lead to believe and what we are given in texts, has been altered so much over time that by now its starting to not make sense.
Although many out of fear of losing faith will jump to the task of excusing it and trying to twist it even more.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 03:37 PM
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Wow these questions are as old as the hills. Does the OP really think the average Christian hasn't already asked all these questions? Asking who else was around other than Adam and Eve and Cain and Able is what I did in 1st grade. Are we going to see a post next asking if Adam had a belly button?

If your main point is getting at contradictions in the Bible there is better ammo out there than trying to debate the writings of the creation of humans. I mean at least ask who wrote Genesis (and when)? Since man wasn't even created yet how did he know what happened before his existence?



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by Interestinggg
en.wikipedia.org...
"Adam and Eve were, according to the religious books the Torah, the Bible and the Qur'an, the first man and woman created by God."

How more clear do you need it than that?
So there were other men and women?But ummm God didn't create them?
You can find 100 different translations, but at the end of the day this is what it resembles.
The fact that the texts discus man in so many ways says to me it has all been altered to suit over time.

"Jewish tradition sometimes includes reference to other wives of Adam's."

Other wives?

Then how can they be the first created man and woman, by God?

"God plants a garden (the Garden of Eden) and sets the man there, "to work it and watch over it," permitting him to eat of all the trees in the garden except the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, "for on the day you eat of it you shall surely die."

Clearly this was created, to keep people from questioning things.
The tree of knowledge?
You are a sinner if you want to eat from the tree of knowledge.
This to me says "Don't ask questions just do as you are told".

Im not saying God Jesus Moses didn't exist, im not saying all of it is a lie.
But clearly we can see what we are lead to believe and what we are given in texts, has been altered so much over time that by now its starting to not make sense.
Although many out of fear of losing faith will jump to the task of excusing it and trying to twist it even more.


First off there are other "men" and "women" created by God; in the Bible you are called the Beasts of the Field. Sure you walk upright and possess the faculty of speech but you are not Adam or Eve. This much is obvious. By reading what it is that you believe in.

Adam did have another wife, she is the Serpent. A creeping thing, but Adam did her nevertheless. This is a fact.

The Garden of Eden is the planet Earth and Adam is its King, Ruler and Highest form of life. When Adam ate the fruit from the tree his Kingdom was destroyed, it died. If it had not been destroyed then there wouldn't be over 200 nation states competing for power in the present time.

With regards to your assertion that the Bible doesn't make sense...


Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense. Why is it so difficult for people to admit that they just aren't as smart as they thought they were? Just because you can speak, doesn't make you intelligent. A monkey can be taught language.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 02:50 AM
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Originally posted by Interestinggg
en.wikipedia.org...
"Adam and Eve were, according to the religious books the Torah, the Bible and the Qur'an, the first man and woman created by God."

How more clear do you need it than that?


Yes they were the first, but they had many children, who also bred, how more clear do you need it?



So there were other men and women?But ummm God didn't create them?


No, they were Adam and Eves children.



"God plants a garden (the Garden of Eden) and sets the man there, "to work it and watch over it," permitting him to eat of all the trees in the garden except the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, "for on the day you eat of it you shall surely die."

Clearly this was created, to keep people from questioning things.
The tree of knowledge?
You are a sinner if you want to eat from the tree of knowledge.
This to me says "Don't ask questions just do as you are told".


It wasn't the tree of knowledge, it was the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Don't you think it would have been better if mankind didn't know evil?



Im not saying God Jesus Moses didn't exist, im not saying all of it is a lie.
But clearly we can see what we are lead to believe and what we are given in texts, has been altered so much over time that by now its starting to not make sense.
Although many out of fear of losing faith will jump to the task of excusing
it and trying to twist it even more.


Unknown to most who talk about how the bible has been changed over time, we actually have ancient manuscripts available to us today that prove quite the opposite.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 03:07 AM
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actually... it has changed... quite a bit...

Mistranslations, political inconveniences, changing dogma... all have contributed to the changing bible...

Remember the Council of Nicaea? The PTB all grouped together and pretty much altered Christian Dogma...

They hid some books, made some forbidden... added others...

Did you know that the origional translation of the name given to "Adam" was "Little Red Dirt Men", and "Eve" was Mothers of all Mothers" (note the plural...)

Now lets test the translation theory... Lets take a bible verse... and translate it a few times...


the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.


I'm going to translate it 3 times... I'll go English to Italian, Italian to German, and German to Greek then back to english


Here is your new scripture... ready for a bible!


was the ground does inform and does vacate, nerezza was in the appearance deep and spirit of God it raised in waters.


I just simulated 1000 years of bible translations... as they went from Hebrew to Greek To Latin to English...

get the idea?

edit: syntax

[edit on 31-10-2008 by nj2day]



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 03:12 AM
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Originally posted by doctorex
The two quotes you showed are actually talking of the same event.


yes that is correct... thanks for stating that so I didn't have to



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 03:21 AM
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Originally posted by doctorex Yes they were the first, but they had many children, who also bred, how more clear do you need it?


Oh about as clear as how can siblings from the same parents same exact dna chain have healthy offspring?Especially when they are breeding with there sisters?
If God made Adam, then made Eve out of part of Adam, these would be the most horrendously deformed born dead things ever seen.
Go and do some research on Gene separation.
They would be deformed beyond belief.
And why would God neglect to mention the other so called imaginary children?
Is that because human logic in those days couldnt think that in depth?
Or is it because massive parts of the so called bible have been taken out over time to suit whatever ego maniac wants to be a mini god?


Originally posted by doctorex No, they were Adam and Eves children.


Adam and Eve who are made up?
By people who want you to think a certain way and do what they want you to?
Do you want us to think we come from incest?
How many baby's did eve have 10000?
Oh and that's right way back then people lived until 250 right?



Originally posted by doctorex It wasn't the tree of knowledge, it was the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Don't you think it would have been better if mankind didn't know evil?


So you say so, but then again you are conditioned to just do as you are told.
Knowledge is knowledge what ever it is of.
And for one to not KNOW about evil would leave them even more susceptible to it.
Which once again shows the massive contradiction and illogical nonsense of Genesis.
For one to say if you didn't know about something you wouldn't do it.
Is absolutely preposterous.


Originally posted by doctorex Unknown to most who talk about how the bible has been changed over time, we actually have ancient manuscripts available to us today that prove quite the opposite.


You don't have an ounce of proof of anything.
Nothing but hearsay and conditioning to think a certain way.
The majority of the found manuscripts are discredited by the reining hierarchy because it contradicts there lies they have been forcing down peoples throats for a millennium.
The same lies you are trying to justify here.
The same lies that are responsible for the murder and deaths of hundreds of millions of people.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 03:23 AM
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Originally posted by Interestinggg
Genesis 1:


26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.




7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


God said, 'let US make bla bla bla' so God made a man in his image, likeness' so from that I figure, it is as simple as it reads. Obviously those that were with God decided to make man in their image. The difference is that ADAM was in GOD's image. So we have a man who looks like God being placed in a garden.

God created Adam in HIS own image and put him somewhere special...yanno like a living doll. But the living Ken and Barbie disobeyed God. Did not listen and were ousted from the Garden.



[edit on 31-10-2008 by Thurisaz]



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 03:28 AM
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Originally posted by bruxfain

First off there are other "men" and "women" created by God; in the Bible you are called the Beasts of the Field. Sure you walk upright and possess the faculty of speech but you are not Adam or Eve. This much is obvious. By reading what it is that you believe in.

Adam did have another wife, she is the Serpent. A creeping thing, but Adam did her nevertheless. This is a fact.



Interesting analogy but the the serpent = fact. Where do you get that fact from?



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 03:35 AM
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Originally posted by Thurisaz

Originally posted by bruxfain

First off there are other "men" and "women" created by God; in the Bible you are called the Beasts of the Field. Sure you walk upright and possess the faculty of speech but you are not Adam or Eve. This much is obvious. By reading what it is that you believe in.

Adam did have another wife, she is the Serpent. A creeping thing, but Adam did her nevertheless. This is a fact.



Interesting analogy but the the serpent = fact. Where do you get that fact from?


Please, come here with something else than religious rhetoric.
Prove to me its a fact.Instead of just assuming I will believe the lies.
Obviously humans CANNOT breed with snakes ffs.....



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 04:12 AM
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The stories in the bible were taken from sumerian stories, and the names were changed or left out so you would not find out who they were and how many existed on the earth. There was More than one god and the one who wrote the bible is a lying low life war hungry child raping piece of #. Wake up people start studying your history! If you worship the god of the bible you worship what people think of as satan, he had two horns on his head. I know how most of you people are and dont like to learn but google (Enlil horns). The more you pull your head out of their ass and teach yourself the more afraid of what they have done to you you will be. Dont be scared all of your life, if you dont teach yourself you will remain in danger. Hell this lying god did not even create us, he stole that story and now gets credit, he needed his throat cut.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 05:12 AM
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Originally posted by Thurisaz

Originally posted by bruxfain

First off there are other "men" and "women" created by God; in the Bible you are called the Beasts of the Field. Sure you walk upright and possess the faculty of speech but you are not Adam or Eve. This much is obvious. By reading what it is that you believe in.

Adam did have another wife, she is the Serpent. A creeping thing, but Adam did her nevertheless. This is a fact.



Interesting analogy but the the serpent = fact. Where do you get that fact from?



Hagar is the Serpent. Abraham (Adam) is allegedly the father of her Son, Ishmael.

Hagar's house is today called the Kaaba in Mecca, a place in the Arabian peninsula. This is a fact, more like common knowledge. Its right in front of your face.



[edit on 31-10-2008 by bruxfain]



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 05:23 AM
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Originally posted by seek4 truth
The stories in the bible were taken from sumerian stories, and the names were changed or left out so you would not find out who they were and how many existed on the earth. There was More than one god and the one who wrote the bible is a lying low life war hungry child raping piece of #. Wake up people start studying your history! If you worship the god of the bible you worship what people think of as satan, he had two horns on his head. I know how most of you people are and dont like to learn but google (Enlil horns). The more you pull your head out of their ass and teach yourself the more afraid of what they have done to you you will be. Dont be scared all of your life, if you dont teach yourself you will remain in danger. Hell this lying god did not even create us, he stole that story and now gets credit, he needed his throat cut.


The Sumerians didn't have any stories, they stole all their literature from the Ubaid, the people whom they murdered and whose home they occupied. Gilgamesh was a violent, overweight homosexual and warmonger.

But the beautiful thing about all of our disagreements is that they will be settled sooner than you think. We will see gets the credit and who gets their throat cut.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 06:57 AM
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Originally posted by doctorex

The two quotes you showed are actually talking of the same event. The word translated as "Man" in Gen 1:26 is Adam, the word you mentioned meaning ruddy, and the same word is used later in Chapter 2 talking of this same event.


The definition of adam means "ruddy" seeing red in the face....so in your opinion God is being redundant by telling the same story? Clearly mankind was created on the 5th day and Adam after the 7th day. Read the text without the morons of lower learning influencing it, modern ministers, priests, popes, TV thieves, etc.

These are seperate events...........The reason for describing "Adam" in the garden is to establish the bloodline from Adam of the garden...to Noah....to Abraham....to Jacob.....to Moses......to David......to Jesus......the story of the extended family tree of Jesus...........



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by heliosprime

Originally posted by doctorex

The two quotes you showed are actually talking of the same event. The word translated as "Man" in Gen 1:26 is Adam, the word you mentioned meaning ruddy, and the same word is used later in Chapter 2 talking of this same event.


The definition of adam means "ruddy" seeing red in the face....so in your opinion God is being redundant by telling the same story? Clearly mankind was created on the 5th day and Adam after the 7th day. Read the text without the morons of lower learning influencing it, modern ministers, priests, popes, TV thieves, etc.

These are seperate events...........The reason for describing "Adam" in the garden is to establish the bloodline from Adam of the garden...to Noah....to Abraham....to Jacob.....to Moses......to David......to Jesus......the story of the extended family tree of Jesus...........


The hebrew word Adam means more than simply "ruddy", and it is the same Hebrew word is used in both passages describing of the creation of man. Here are the two mentions of the event...

1) First is a general rundown...

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man (Hebrew word used: Adam) in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man (Same Hebrew word used: Adam)in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

2)Second is a more detailed passage of the same event....

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man (Same Hebrew word used: Adam) of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man (Same Hebrew word used: Adam)became a living soul.
8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man (And same Hebrew word used: Adam) whom he had formed.

Can you now see the point I was trying to make? It is the same Hebrew word (Adam) used in both passages, because it is talking of the creation of the same being, namely Adam.

Here is a link showing the meaning of the word Adam - www.blueletterbible.org...



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by Interestinggg

Originally posted by doctorex Yes they were the first, but they had many children, who also bred, how more clear do you need it?


Oh about as clear as how can siblings from the same parents same exact dna chain have healthy offspring?Especially when they are breeding with there sisters?
If God made Adam, then made Eve out of part of Adam, these would be the most horrendously deformed born dead things ever seen.
Go and do some research on Gene separation.
They would be deformed beyond belief.


No, they wouldn't, because Adam and Eve would have had perfect DNA, with no genetic errors. The reason why deformities are cause with inbreeding is because both parents have the same genetic errors. That is why after time incest was no longer tolerable.



And why would God neglect to mention the other so called imaginary children?
Is that because human logic in those days couldnt think that in depth?
Or is it because massive parts of the so called bible have been taken out over time to suit whatever ego maniac wants to be a mini god?


Or is it because you are blind?

Genesis 5:3 And Adam lived a hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begot sons and daughters:



Originally posted by doctorex No, they were Adam and Eves children.


Adam and Eve who are made up?
By people who want you to think a certain way and do what they want you to?


Exactly how do I act a certain way that people want me to? You don't know a thing about me, you simply think you do.





Originally posted by doctorex It wasn't the tree of knowledge, it was the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Don't you think it would have been better if mankind didn't know evil?


So you say so, but then again you are conditioned to just do as you are told.

Uh huh, again you think you know all about me? Perhaps you like to like to tell me how this "conditioning" took place if you are so knowledgeable about me



Knowledge is knowledge what ever it is of.
And for one to not KNOW about evil would leave them even more susceptible to it.
Which once again shows the massive contradiction and illogical nonsense of Genesis.


No, you are only showing your own illogical nonsense. It's like saying if no body knows how to make nuclear weapons would make your more susceptible to being a victim of them, but how could that be if nobody even knew how to make them? They wouldn't exist in the first place, would they?


For one to say if you didn't know about something you wouldn't do it.
Is absolutely preposterous.

Are you kidding me?



Originally posted by doctorex Unknown to most who talk about how the bible has been changed over time, we actually have ancient manuscripts available to us today that prove quite the opposite.


You don't have an ounce of proof of anything.
Nothing but hearsay and conditioning to think a certain way.
The majority of the found manuscripts are discredited by the reining hierarchy because it contradicts there lies they have been forcing down peoples throats for a millennium.
The same lies you are trying to justify here.
The same lies that are responsible for the murder and deaths of hundreds of millions of people.


It seems it is you who has been conditioned to think a certain way. Perhaps you should do some research into the matter, and not just regurgitate.

[edit on 31/10/08 by doctorex]



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