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How do people with IQ's of 70-100 think?

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posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 11:53 PM
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Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines.

Lateralus.

I do great in college (honors program) without studying at all. Took an IQ test once and did well but I don't think enough of them to even post it. But I swear I have no common sense, make dumb decisions all the time, and take 10 minutes to decide between two brands in the grocery store (this post took 10 minutes to write, no wonder I never get anything done!). Not the most social person either but that's not so bad IMO. It's a give and take. I wouldn't trade what I have for "street smarts" or emotional intellect but thinking all the time kinda sucks to be blunt. That's why I love getting wasted on all sorts of lovely taboo substances. Bye bye self-consciousness!




posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 12:32 PM
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My opinion is that IQ is an important measure of intellectual horsepower. I think IQ underpins performance, but that it is a negative disqualifier rather than a positive qualifier.

For example, someone with an IQ of 70 is over 1.5 standard deviations away from the norm. With all due respect to them, they arent likely to be brain surgeons or scientists.

However the utility of high IQ measurement beyond 120 (1 std dev) is rather limited, because other forms of intelligence come into play.

Savants are incredibly intelligent (IQs in the 200 region), but they also cannot possibly hope to be scientists or surgeons.

So I think that there are numerous layers of intelligence. The first and foremost is IQ, which tests processing and comprehension ability. The second is a form of emotional and social intelligence. The others are up for debate, but I know that I can detect common sense, street smarts, "wiseness", philosophical understanding and most importantly novelty as different combinations of intelligence layers.

In my opinion, the greatest combination of these is someone with borderline genius underlying intellectual horsepower (140 - 150 region), philosophical and political understanding (as developed under the ancient Graeco-roman Trivium system) and a fierce novelty ability.

These aren't strictly measures of intelligence, because they are incredibly subjective. I think they correspond closely to the Briggs-Meyers psych tests- perhaps a quantitative version of that test would be the ultimate intelligence test as it would compensate for mentality (scientist vs artist) and yet give a solid numerical value to ability.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by whiteraven
PS Tell him I have spent many days pissing people off as well without understanding why they got so pissed.

After a while I gave up on people until I met an ageing hippie in California near Joshua Tree who taught me that domesticated humans see the world in the light that the teachers of this world taught them.

He then said that some are given a different light and that the path of humility, love and kindness allows the gift to shine.

We do not place a lamp under a bucket, we place the lamp on top of the bucket in order for others to have light.

Of course i could be full of crap. lol

Tell him not to feel frustrated as he is gifted, ask him if he would care to cultivate humility as that is a pathway with which a gift such as his can travel.

lol

Peace
WR


That was beautiful.
I've read it to him, now we're discussing it.

He understands that some people think about things for themselves,
and other people think what they're supposed to think.

He can't help but be humble. He regards people with love and wonder and doesn't think about himself.

And many people are very good to him. He has to rely on shop assistants to take the correct money and give him his change, and he's very rarely ripped off. And strangers have taken care of him when he's been out alone and lost his temper.

He's in awe of females and adores all of them, seeing them all as beautiful regardless of age or appearance.

And when he was heartbroken because the girl he loved died, he believed he saw a staircase with God and his friend at the top, inviting him to join them in heaven. He said no thanks, his family would miss him too much. But he cried over her for years.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage

Anyway I think Sonya made a good point, is there evidence that supports IQ test don't matter? I personally don't think they mean much however that is a good question to ask. How many doctors score low on IQ test?


Hold on there. You don't think they mean much? So, if you needed an operation would you prefer the surgeon have an IQ of 120 or 140.

Seriously, let's say you had a torn rotator cuff, and a surgical failure could mean that you never play basketball, swim, or bench press again.

Sure, hard work and dedication are wonderful things, and they can even get you an advanced degree, but if my ass is on the line I'm definately an IQcist

I'm just sayin'



How many kids in poor school systems score high?


Children in poor school systems are also going to have been victims of other unfortunate circumstances that are related to having low income while growing up. Since these factors will affect brain development I'm not really sure of the point that you're trying to make. Bottom line, if 1 of those 2 surgeons came from a poor school system, I wouldn't care and would still base my decision on IQ.



posted on Jan, 26 2009 @ 12:34 AM
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I have to disagree with you, Hinky. While you believe that individuals who use a great deal of derogatory terms are of low intelligence, I highly disagree. I hold an IQ of 133 (according to a test I took in school as a senior). Now, I honestly prefer to use derogatory terms. I am an Infantryman in the U.S. Army. Enough said, right? I love raising hell. Now, I may use alot of derogatory terms; however, I am of a high intelligence level. I speak intelligently when I must, but I prefer a relaxed conversation in which I can use whatever language I feel comfortable with. So before you label individuals, I suggest you get off your high horse, and perform some reasonable research, rather than just making foolish and irrelevant assumptions.. Now, I do have every intention of attending a university in ten years. Right now, I am investing, so that by the time I attend a university, I will be financially safe. As a matter of fact, I will have earned well over 3,000,000 USD by the time I am twenty five. The three million dollars (U.S.) will be the result of a lot of research, and wise investment. Don't give me, or people like me, your ridiculous label. It's unfair, and inaccurate.




Sincerely, Matthew Tassone



posted on Jan, 27 2009 @ 10:24 AM
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I agree there are two kinds of smarts; book smart and common sense smart. I don't think an IQ test measures intelligence, it measures how much time do you want to think about a specific question. Sometimes, I don't want to think about such and such problem and so I don't. If I take internet IQ tests, I usually score around 100, so thats dumb to some people, but I really probably don't care that much. I don't have common sense either, I have to learn.



posted on Jan, 27 2009 @ 12:46 PM
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I score a 148 average on the Stanford - Binet test and I can't add up for #.

What does that tell you about IQ tests, what exactly are they measuring.



posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 06:31 PM
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Bro you can probably do it. You just need to know the definitions of the functions.

EG sin = opposite/biggest side, so just take the angle, calc the sides (where the angle obv. represents a ratio of the lengths), and you got it. after enough training, you can prob do it in a few secgot

as for me, my iq seems to change in different situations.

EG i only got a 720 on the math SAT. however, on all my practice tests, i scored 800 (perfect) every time.

so, intelligence isn't a constant. it can vary in the situation. in this case, im going from 160-170+ when im more comfortable to just around 140-150 when I'm nervous in a public setting.

you may think there's no difference and that my highest might be my actual intelligence, but suppose i were in a public setting all the time ? then my iq would be 140-150 all the time.

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posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 04:06 AM
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I wouldn't take IQ tests too seriously. There are so many variables that can influence the results of IQ tests and the subject matter used in the majority of them is problematic to say the least. Also to consider is the definition of "Intelligence" itself. Does this word include memory recall and ability to understand the nature of mathematics? It seems most tests imply that they do, whereas I feel they do not.

IQ tests are very lousy at establishing the average level of intelligence. They are much more useful at identifying those that might be "gifted" at a young age. Just to give you an example of how unreliable they can be: I have personally recorded scores ranging from 65-120. I'd like to think I am closer to the higher number, but are those results ambiguous or what?


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posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 06:31 AM
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There are all kinds of intellegence.

As another post put it (and I starred it) "Some people are very clever but stupid as mud eh? "

What is your favorite topic on ATS?



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 08:32 AM
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For all of your "high IQ's" I don't think anyone has really answered the original question! This thread has turned into a pissing contest.

I think it's important to try to understand how the lower IQ's think because we are surrounded by them. These are the ones who will succumb to the controllers and be the enforcements.

If we can better understand how they think, we may discover how to speak to them in a "language" they will understand. How else can we bring them up to a more awakened level?

You can talk till you are blue in the face and these lower IQ's fail to see what you see. It is almost as though they have their minds made up and no amount of facts can change it. Is it because they are not open to different viewpoints? Why? Are they intellectually compromised in a way that they cannot grasp concepts no matter how you try to simplify? Are they all touched with ADHD and find things too complicated to follow?

If you have ever had to work as a subordinate under an intellectually inferior person, then surely you must understand this dilemma. What happens to the minority when the inferior majority are the rulers and enforcers?



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by Alethea
For all of your "high IQ's" I don't think anyone has really answered the original question! This thread has turned into a pissing contest.

I think it's important to try to understand how the lower IQ's think because we are surrounded by them. These are the ones who will succumb to the controllers and be the enforcements.



i don't think that intelligence has as much of a protection effect against this as you think it does. 'succumbing to controllers' is more of a psychological problem having to do with cognitive dissonance very similar to religion.

some of the stuff, like the iraq war, is so obviously stupid and wrong that anyone, even the stupidest, should be able to realize it very easily. the problem is realizing makes them see they're wrong so their brain prevents them realizing it and then actually strengthens the wrong idea as a result.



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 10:22 PM
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Hi,

Since this thread doesn't seem to be heading anywhere worth going couldn't we just agree that IQ , whatever your beliefs about testing methods and case by case accuracy, is in fact a accurate predictor of mental capacity ( yes, it isn't fair that it can and does predict future earnings as well as it seems to) but can not and does not pretend to be the final word on what people will achieve with their 'potential' or lack thereof?

I think that for every story of a genius who got 'rich' or discovered something new there are probably a dozen stories of those with 'modest'(read average) means who managed the same by trading on their perceived individual strengths in one area or another.

As for the original question we all 'think' the same way as our brains are wired the same ways. More or less of the same , in various areas of the brain, and how they are connected, does however change the capacity and most certainly does change, and to some extent determine, the likely focus of our thoughts. When Newton, and others, were asked how they came up with their ideas the commonest answers were basically the 'admission' that they thought of it constantly, and too the exclusion of much else, leading to suggestion that what we call genius/success is rarely attained without focus and intensity of effort, whatever the level of genetic/environmentally provided capacity.

I would suggest that focus and the intensity of it is what truly sets people apart and that mental capacity provides the unfair advantage of greatly lubricating the whole process of just how much apart.

Since i expend great effort on not focusing for long on anything in particular this 'analysis' is somehow troubling to me. Perhaps if i focused somewhat less on typing quite so much i wouldn't so often reach these troubling conclusions?

Oh well&Regards,

Stellar



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by ThichHeaded

Originally posted by jsobecky
Yeah we do. We think, we choose, we live every day for what is best in it.


I wish I was like that. I hate thinking of things more than 1 time, sometimes to many times.

Someone with a high IQ makes things really hard on themselves and thinks way to much. I would like 1 day to do exactly what you stated.

I compare my brain to a super highway, and a normal persons brain to a 2 lane road.

Alot of good can come from people who are smart, unfortunately it comes at a high price, what you mentioned is 1 of those. The lack of friends is another.


If your brain is a super highway, do you ever have the traffic jam, or the car pile up? I do...



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 10:32 PM
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Last time I took the IQ test (4th grade I think...) I got 137.

I'm pretty sure 70-80 is mentally disable, and 80-90 no common knowledge. 90-100 is normal.

I think if I took the same test again I could probably reach 150s. I remember the questions I missed, and they where some pretty stupid questions to miss. I could probably finish those puzzles much faster know too.



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 10:44 PM
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Ahem

For all those who have these 130+ Iq's lol

Especially when discussing how "they" could communicate with the erm? Morons well... ahem...

And ahem cant read 5 pages of A4 before putting there own intelligense down on paper.....


Ahem I refer you to my previous post on this thread.



Elf



posted on Apr, 10 2010 @ 06:26 AM
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My IQ is 1.
I flew off the top of the screen and wrapped back around to the bottom.
I can't do anything in my head.
I think a lot about a few things and not at all about most.
My theory is that the mind is limited. You have to stop using time on something in order to free up time for something else.
I noticed when I had some deep thoughts my hearing stopped.
Also I saw a white light and at the same time the electronic devices in the room all malfunctioned.
Bunny!



posted on Apr, 10 2010 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

Originally posted by jsobecky
I can debate with the best of you. But my views almost always conflict with the majority of you.

I must be a dummy. Based on the above, my IQ must be 80 or lower.


Having an IQ of around 200 I also see my views conflict with the majority here


So I think it's all relative to the respective bracket.


And something i have noticed with my self is also, It can be a real big difference from day to day or week to week...i know atleast 30-40 percent or so from my quote are based on the concentration level at the precise moment...and some days when im really tired or unconcentrated i feel like a sponge in my head...so...there a number of parameters which must fall in place...



posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by Alethea
These are the ones who will succumb to the controllers and be the enforcements.


I think you've misunderstood a few things. Math/logic tests measure only those skills. If you read your history, you will find that things like social darwinism, frenology, eugenics, national socialism, communism, voodoo economics etc. strict mathematical/logical systems have attracted the most intelligent people in the world, and has caused tens of millions of people to die. If anything, a high IQ will make a person more susceptible to the 'I am the truth and the light' philosophy. Phychopaths are generally much more intelligent than average, with some being close to pure genious.



If we can better understand how they think, we may discover how to speak to them in a "language" they will understand. How else can we bring them up to a more awakened level?


You are talking about manipulation.



You can talk till you are blue in the face and these lower IQ's fail to see what you see. It is almost as though they have their minds made up and no amount of facts can change it. Is it because they are not open to different viewpoints?


You mean, do they fall prey to a sense of condescending superiority as easily as you...



Why? Are they intellectually compromised in a way that they cannot grasp concepts no matter how you try to simplify? Are they all touched with ADHD and find things too complicated to follow?


Perhaps your mathematical/logical concepts fail to take other aspects into consideration.



What happens to the minority when the inferior majority are the rulers and enforcers?


I can understand the urge to think that because you belong to a minority that do some things better than most, you feel superior and would like to rule them.

Many years ago I remember seeing a prominent member of Mensa advocate for rule by dictate by Mensa members, since she felt they were better equipped to handle the complexities of society than average people.


Originally posted by Phlynx
Last time I took the IQ test (4th grade I think...) I got 137.

I'm pretty sure 70-80 is mentally disable, and 80-90 no common knowledge. 90-100 is normal.


It isn't just 'normal', it is actually normal for your age and culture.

Many children score high on IQ tests, but score average in their mid to late teens.



I think if I took the same test again I could probably reach 150s. I remember the questions I missed, and they where some pretty stupid questions to miss. I could probably finish those puzzles much faster know too.


They are not going to give you a 4th grade test. They will give you a test that is suited to your age and culture.

I have to say that I am not impressed by people with high IQ's. I've seen a fair number of mensa members completely unable to function in a non logical setting. I've also seen a fair number of high IQ people subscribe to authoritarian viewpoints, which I personally feel is a fundamental failing of their math/logic enabled mind.

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posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 05:16 PM
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Slower.

They think slower.

That's about it.

Because of that, they often learn to hold fewer components in their head at a time. Doesn't mean that has to be the case.

I have a faster processor - sometimes it means I just come to a wrong conclusion way quicker.




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