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The Great Conspiracy-what if Jesus was never born?

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posted on Nov, 1 2008 @ 07:02 PM
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To be a Christian is to love all. Not white, not just some groups.
Jesus was a hebrew and He will come to His own racial Hebrew brothers, soon,
in a consummation like that of Joseph being revealed to his twelve brothers.
ANYONE who was brave enough to say NO to Hitler was persecuted, period.
The same way the Anti-christ will demand submission and kill all who defy him.
It's sad that so many Christians weren't strong or courageous enough to stand against the Nazi regime.
But, many Christians kept the Faith, like Corrie Ten Boom
disagreed with the nazis, sheltered Jews
and her Dad, sister and nephew died in the camps. Her brother died in jail.

Later, she forgave all the persecutors.




posted on Nov, 1 2008 @ 07:29 PM
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Mueller sought to synthesize Nazi ideology and Protestant tradition and to agitate for a "people's church" based on "good Aryan blood." This movement had gained 600,000 adherents by the mid-1930s.


600,000 joined .... thats 3 years before the persecutions of the jews really went nasty

how many more in 3 years, how many more people bieng told by thier priests its the will of god could they have got before 1933

there were good christians that stood up and there were others that stayed quiet and helped from in the shadows but the VAST MAJORITY did nothing the VAST MOJORITY said nothing to oppose it many of these even supported it

there was no fear for many of those they were in before the threat of violence was made

what about the many times before? when jews were forced to convert on pain of death, when jews were robbed and evicted from countries when jews were just slaughtered in the name of christianity

can you honestly sit there and say the religeon had nothin to do with it, they were a bit scared

Deus Vult!!


Originally posted by Good Wolf
I'll take this opportunity to point out that most evolutionists are christians and most christians are evolutionists.

Originally posted by noobfun
everyone knows they arnt a True Christian™


Originally posted by Clearskies
I'll sincerely second that.



Homosexuality is forbidden in God's eyes.


how very loving and forgiving of you


Originally posted by Clearskies
The thing is, JESUS HELPS us to overcome evil, if we want Him to.


maybe you should ask again

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posted on Nov, 1 2008 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by noobfun
reply to post by OldThinker
 



awww the quote games a dangerous game to play sometimes it bites you on the ass


This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief. The great masses of a nation are not composed of philosophers. For the masses of the people, especially faith is absolutely the only basis of a moral outlook on life.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 10



I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2



I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work.

- Adolf Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936




By your fruit you shall know them

OT



posted on Nov, 1 2008 @ 08:41 PM
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Originally posted by Clearskies
reply to post by noobfun
 


To be a Christian is to love all. Not white, not just some groups.
Jesus was a hebrew and He will come to His own racial Hebrew brothers, soon,
in a consummation like that of Joseph being revealed to his twelve brothers.
ANYONE who was brave enough to say NO to Hitler was persecuted, period.
The same way the Anti-christ will demand submission and kill all who defy him.
It's sad that so many Christians weren't strong or courageous enough to stand against the Nazi regime.
But, many Christians kept the Faith, like Corrie Ten Boom
disagreed with the nazis, sheltered Jews
and her Dad, sister and nephew died in the camps. Her brother died in jail.

Later, she forgave all the persecutors.



Corrie Ten Boom

By your fruit you shall know them...she had a lot!



posted on Nov, 1 2008 @ 08:59 PM
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i hope your not just ignoring the rest of the post OT becasue you cant just throw a bible quote at it and consider it done



posted on Nov, 1 2008 @ 09:24 PM
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its late here, I have not reviewed yet. ill be back soon enough and join the fray, ok?



posted on Nov, 1 2008 @ 09:51 PM
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Should we blame all the Russians for what Stalin did???

What about Castro?
How many atheists came out against them?

Freedomdefender;

en as late as 1971, there are reports of the Communist oppression of Christianity. The Atheistic government has been reported engaging in sentencing Christians to mental hospitals to get rid of their "sickness" of having faith in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. "As the decades of Soviet rule passed, many Christians were sent to psychiatric hospitals because religion was categorized as mental illness". "'Special Psychiatric Hospitals' are known to exist in Kazan, Sychevka (Smolensk region), Leningrad, Cherniahovsk, Minsk, Dniepropetrovsk, Orel. It is very likely that they are also to be found in other regions. In many psychiatric hospitals special wards have been set aside for 'treatment' against dissidents of all complexions. The names of 60 victims of such 'treatment' have been published abroad. The Moscow Patriarchate, recognized by the atheistic government of the USSR, and kept under its control, maintains a stony silence".

Sounds like Dawkins!

The Churches of Hitler were told what to preach and when to preach it.
No allowance for the loving Christ of the Bible.
Nazism- wiki

Those who preached love and tolerance, “in contravention to the facts”, were said to be “slave” or “false” religions. The man who recognized these “truths”, Hitler continued, was said to be a “natural leader”, and those who denied it were said to be “natural slaves”. “Slaves” – especially intelligent ones, he claimed – were always attempting to hinder their masters by promoting false religious and political doctrines.
Though the "National Socialist leaders and dogmas were basically uncompromisingly antireligious" [45], the Nazi State primarily (but with exceptions) did not act officially in a directly anti-clerical manner except to those who refused to accommodate the new regime and yield to its power.

You keep bringing up the gay issue,
what's the deal?
This is about "What if Jesus was never born".


[edit on 1-11-2008 by Clearskies]



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 12:21 AM
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aye, i like that example. or this one:

if people of a certain classification can be blamed for what any one or even several people within that classification do, why can't the ladies use the same type of broad brush to prove that men are a blight on the planet and then eradicate them on the premise that they've historically killed, abused, maimed and otherwise tortured women for whatever reasons. all we have to do is cite thousands of years of statistics to prove the point! i guess that means we should all just jump on that bandwagon and beat the drum! men are violently insane and should be locked up in a prison in leningrad! ?? no??? of course not! doh!

it's incredible how one sided people can be sometimes!



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 12:28 AM
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I read a report about the male mind and how at a certain gestation, their brains are flooded with a certain hormone, which suppresses their 'sensitive, caring' area of the brain and thus they are brain-damaged.lol
I have three boys and I was also a nanny for a year and a half, for two young girls.
THERE is SUCH a difference.
Let's get the men and lock-um-up!



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 12:37 AM
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of course, clearskies and i are not serious! this is just an example how data can be construed to make anyone look bad. i was investigating cases of female infanticide in history. wow, there's an eye opener, but i love my male children as much as my female child. and my hubby. and my other male relatives and even other men who aren't family members. i have no problem with men! what i have a problem with is using select examples out of a society to villify ALL MEMBERS OF A CERTAIN CLASSIFICATION.

if the shoe fits....yeah? well i got a shoe for you! what of it?



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 02:09 AM
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Well, a popular belief ( and one which sounds most realistic to me), describes jesus as more of a therapist/psychologist type. He was a common, everyday man, and healed emotionally through therapy.

Not a son of god.

Hell is a manmade creation of the mind which has become stronger and stronger over years of belief in it, thus we create our own demons and evils by believing that such thing exists.

God is simple. God is existence in itself. We are god. Life is god.

That should answer most of that. The bible is definitely interesting, but simply a tool to keep mankind in order. I mean cmon.. the world would be chaotic if most of us didnt believe we were going to eternally burn in hell for our sins. Religion keeps people in line...

but its just not realistic


Thats just my viewpoint. So no offense to any who dont believe the same way as me. I have practiced many religions and have formed my own opinion out of my own experiences.



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by undo
what i have a problem with is using select examples out of a society to villify ALL MEMBERS OF A CERTAIN CLASSIFICATION.


like clears argument stalin(dispite thefact he was paryial trained in priest hood) and co were athiests so all athiests are evil and darwin was an athiest(dispite the fact he was a trained priest) so he was evil and so he must be wrong?

dont worry i have lots of small brushes to be used not just one big one else id fall into the self made trap of dogmatism
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i could use 1 simple statement to flip this all upside down and discredit your entire premise, but that wouldnt help people search and learn the things they dont know so ill drop it at the end



Should we blame all the Russians for what Stalin did???

yes religeous and unreligeoius alike should stand up when tyrany is raised as a social norm

and dont forget atheists have always been a minority and have always faced persecution in the past even hitler had a go at wiping out the none believers


The Churches of Hitler were told what to preach and when to preach it.
No allowance for the loving Christ of the Bible.


why play down a loving jesus? this would simply hinder the anti jewish sentiment he was promoting a hitler dispite being a sociopathic control freak lunatic was a smart man

he took a leaf out of Luthers book you dont stop teaching loving jesus you start teaching more of the anti jewish sentiment paul left us in the bible

the jews killed jesus
the jews perescuted and killed jesus and the prohpets
they jews are persecuting me
the jews are trying to kill me

throw in a bit of revelations

rev:2:9 the false jews of satan, and who are the false jews? any jew that doesnt accept jesus, only jesus's jews(christians) are true jews the rest are evil
rev:3:9 and god will make the false jews worship at his feet, yes the false jews will bow down before god and the true jews (christians) jews just became a lesser race in gods eyes too

and then you add somthing jesus said

Matthew:8:11-12

8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth

many shall come to sit beside Abraham and Issac and Jacob in heaven but the children of the kingdom(the jews that arnt jesus's jews) shall be cast into the outer darkness

suddenly loving jesus is loving the christians of the world but hating the jews, and we all know they killed him .. suddenly loving jesus doesnt love the jews he loves the christians and suddenly his message is promoiting tollerance of all branches of christianity towards all branches of christianity

you didnt especially make the stalin was an athiest and evil play but i guess your going there just a little more subtley

this thinking is based on the same false premise OT is using just reveresed

Ot is arguing becasue they are christains they are doing it becasue they are christain your arguing becasue they are athiests they have toi be doing it becasue they are athiests

they are doing these things becasue they are crazy people who also happen to not beleieve in god, its isnt done becasue they dont beleive in god

pol pot, stalin, Mao Zedong, kim jong ill were all communists which have an athieistic quality(religeon is bad for humanity) but then swings away from athiesm in its ideology

essentially they become personality cults en.wikipedia.org...

they replace god with the party leader

they fight against organised religeon not becasue they are a religeon but a threat to thier power. they wish to be a new jesus or muhammed or buddha they want to become the saviour figure


began to implement a policy of explaining concisely and consistently that it is impermissible and foreign to the spirit of Marxism-Leninism to elevate one person, to transform him into a superman possessing supernatural characteristics, akin to those of a god. Such a man supposedly knows everything, sees everything, thinks for everyone, can do anything, is infallible in his behavior."
stalin wanted to be the new jesus en.wikipedia.org...


hitler didnt kill because he was catholic any more then the above list did becasue they were none thiests

hitler used religeon to justify his actions and was suported by the religeous establishments to carry out his crazyness

where as the other just used carried out thier crazyness then tried to create a new religeon of them bieng the chosen saviour

athiesm doesnt want or need a saviour figure we recon we can do alright without one

Dawkins is a spokes person for us one of many (he is just the most widely known) we dont wish him to rule us or to save us. im sure he would appreciate the extra book sales this would create but im pretty sure even he doesnt want to be king of the atheists sat on a shiney gold throne running the world

and now for the one statement that throws all they were athiests and evil so all athiests are evil on its head

"The thing that was wrong with the communist and fascist totalitarian regimes lead by Mao Zedong and Stalin etc. was not that it was so irreligious, but because it was so much like a religion with its dogmatic views."- Moridin



p.s. hahaha lets see on the gay thing shall we


Originally posted by Clearskies
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To be a Christian is to love all. Not white, not just some groups.,


and in another post you condem most of the christain world as not real christians becasue they dont agree 100% with your docturine of choice then point out how god hates gays and adulterers then show how you have rejected people becasue of this kind of thinking(you referenced ex boyfriends but then why point out god hates gays in the first place?)

so yes you codemn groups openly and willingly but still call your self a christian dispite your statement above which frowns on this behaviour

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posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 08:35 AM
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"For God so love the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth on Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Where have I ever said God hates gays????
Does He hate whores, drug addicts, thieves or people in cults?
He wants ALL to be saved.

Paul didn't advocate pride and racism. You know he was Hebrew?

But glory, and honor, and peace shall be to every one who worketh good, to the Jew first and also to the Gentile.

For there is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without the law, shall also perish without the law; and as many as have sinned under the law, shall be judged by the law. For not the hearers of the law are just with God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, who have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these not having the law, are a law to themselves; Who show the work of the law written upon their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts among themselves, accusing or even defending them, In the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Christ Jesus, according to my Gospel....................................
But he is a Jew, who is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, not in the letter: whose praise is not from men, but from God.





What then? Are we better than they? In no wise: for we have before proved all, both Jews and Gentiles, to be under sin. As it is written, There is none righteous, no not one. There is none that understandeth; there is none that seeketh after God. They have all turned aside, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips. Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness; Their feet are swift to shed blood; Destruction and misery are their ways, And they have not known the way of peace, The fear of God is not before their eyes. Now we know that whatsoever the law saith, it saith to them that are under the law; that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world become guilty before God. Therefore no flesh shall be justified in his sight by the works of the law; for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

But now the righteousness of God is manifested without the law, being attested by the law and the prophets, Even the righteousness of God, by the faith of Jesus Christ, to all and upon all that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and are fallen short of the glory of God, And are justified freely by his grace, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth a propitiation, through faith in his blood, for a demonstration of his righteousness, by the remission of past sins through the forbearance of God: For a demonstration, I say, of his righteousness in this present time, that he might be just, and yet the justifier of him that believeth in Jesus.

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? Nay, but by the law of faith. We conclude then, that a man is justified by faith, without the works of the law. Is God the God of the Jews only, and not also of the Gentiles? Surely of the Gentiles also: Seeing it is one God who will justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through the same faith. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.



I said Christians that believe in evolution 1,2,3... are not real Jesus followers.
It takes a lot of faith to believe in nothing, followed by 'a miracle', when water flowing over rocks, created the first amino acids.

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posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by Clearskies
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"For God so love the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth on Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Where have I ever said God hates gays????
Does He hate whores, drug addicts, thieves or people in cults?
He wants ALL to be saved.



quote]Originally posted by Clearskies
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy
 


Homosexuality is forbidden in God's eyes.
Just like adultery, or pre-marriage sex.

I had to get rid of boyfriends before I got married, just because they were too worldly.


so you follow gods word on pre-marital sex becasue thats what god wants and reject people becasue of it becasue it is forbidden in gods eyes and so is homsexuality so this would imply you also reject gays

gods word on gays is quite hard to get confused about homosexuality is an abomination to god and they should be killed

and by labeling the vast majority of christians who have found jesus and love him dearly as untrue christians YOU are passing judgment they shall burn in hell .. how do you know they arnt the true christians? and that it is you that is damned


Paul didn't advocate pride and racism. You know he was Hebrew?

he was one of jesus jews

he has a lot to say about the none jesus jews

Acts

3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; (3:14-15)
3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. (the none jesus jew killed jesus)

5:30 same thing

10:39

7:51-52 stephen balmes them too and for killing other prophets of the lord

Romans
11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear
unto this day.
11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

god blinded and deafened most of the jews so that they wouldnt be saved .. guess he doesnt want to save everyone as he is choosing to stop them

shall i find more? the new testament is littered with them, if your not a jesus jew your against god, if your not a jesus jew your a liar and an antichrist, the none beleivers should be put to death(anyone not a jesus jew)

and i havnt even touched on the jews are trying to kill me becasue i preach the word of jesus .. this is his common theme in most of his writtings


It takes a lot of faith to believe in nothing, followed by 'a miracle', when water flowing over rocks, created the first amino acids.
yes to beleive that would take faith and a creator to perfom said miracle which is why its christian evolutionists that beleive this



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posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by OldThinker
its late here, I have not reviewed yet. ill be back soon enough and join the fray, ok?
hehehehe looking forward to it mate ^_^

and maybe just maybe we can get back to the topic at hand and keep it there



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 10:54 AM
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By clearskies:


Paul didn't advocate pride and racism. You know he was Hebrew?


By you:


he was one of jesus jews

he has a lot to say about the none jesus jews


I don't mean to derail the thread but actually the racial background of Paul is questioned by some scholars:


"If, in fact, Paul was a full citizen of Tarsus, this would certainly mean that his father was one before him; and this would argue a certain degree of wealth, since full citizenship was granted only to people of some wealth and prominence. It would also, incidentally, make it unlikely that Paul's father was a Jew, since membership in the citizen body of a Greek "polis" involved membership of a native "phyla" or tribe and participation in pagan worship."


There is much information coming out about Paul that doesn't make him look good in light of his supposed importance in relation to Christianity.

I starred you for all of your research you have shared with us!

On topic:

It is possible that Jesus was only one Messiah, but an important one in his own right. It is also possible that the Gods used many Messiah's for all the races, and ones that the different nations could relate to, and were recorded in their holy books.

If Jesus in truth did not exist, then I believe he would have been replaced with another! IMO mankind is far too dysfunctional to pass down legends that have so much emphasis and so much strength. Man is too fickle, and too lame to keep a fantasy going for more than 2,000 years.

Where it becomes debatable to me is; how much related to him is a lie and a deception? Was he just a pawn - a volunteer, however, by the Gods to be used as an excuse to control and keep the masses in a shamed state? Was he promoting religion, or was he misunderstood? Why did Paul, who I believe was a con-man, and a deceiver, run with the idea?

Really, the question should be: "The Great Conspiracy - What if Paul was Never Born?"



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 11:16 AM
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Act 21:39 But Paul said, I am a man [which am] a Jew of Tarsus, [a city] in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.


Act 21:40 And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto [them] in the Hebrew tongue, saying,Act 22:1 Men, brethren, and fathers, hear ye my defence [which I make] now unto you.

Act 22:2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)


Act 22:3 [and] taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and I am verily a man [which am] a Jew, born in Tarsus, [a city] in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel,was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.


Phil 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;


He was born a Roman citizen of the Jewish dispersion.
Acts 22:25-28 And as they bound him with thongs, Paul said unto the centurion that stood by, Is it lawful for you to scourge a man that is a Roman, and uncondemned? When the centurion heard that, he went and told the chief captain, saying, Take heed what thou doest: for this man is a Roman. Then the chief captain came, and said unto him, Tell me, art thou a Roman? He said, Yea. And the chief captain answered, With a great sum obtained I this freedom. And Paul said, But I was free born.


Paul’s parents were Roman citizens. They must have had much money as they evidently bought their Roman citizenship.


Who was Gamaliel?
Two observations about the early life of Paul.

Peter and the Apostles were on trial before the Sanhedrin:

Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space; And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men. For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought. After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed. And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.


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posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 11:21 AM
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On Paul's accusation to the high priest and his government;
They, as well as the Roman's were guilty of killing Jesus and some of the prophets, John the Baptist......
THIS WAS IN NO WAY A BLANKET condemnation of the hebrews and the whole twelve tribes.
LEADERSHIP(The High Priest, etc.), who were supposed to be as close to God as you can get, were!
THEY had become political and materialistic tyrants.



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 12:44 PM
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was it just the high and mighties that are condemned for not bieng one of jesus jews ..... lets go read the bible some more

Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. (everyone not a jesus jew should/shall be killed including jews)

john1.
2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.(that would be everyone not a christian including jews then)


4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (again thats everyone but christians)

5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.(everyone wicked but the jesus jews .... there seems to be a theme here ..)

John 2

1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.(again everyone not a christian is an antichrist and a liar woohoo)

so lets see the general trend here seems to be anoyone who doesnt beleive/accept jesus will die or should be killed and will burn in hell for all eternity

so lets see the list of people who accept jesus ......... christians ....and youve already condemned most of the worlds christians for bieng not real christians .... heavens gona be a lonley place



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by noobfun
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was it just the high and mighties that are condemned for not bieng one of jesus jews ..... lets go read the bible some more

Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. (everyone not a jesus jew should/shall be killed including jews)


Moses said it first;


Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.


Deu 18:19 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him.



Was he an anti-semite?



john1.
2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.(that would be everyone not a christian including jews then)

4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (again thats everyone but christians)

5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.(everyone wicked but the jesus jews .... there seems to be a theme here ..)

John 2

1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.(again everyone not a christian is an antichrist and a liar woohoo)

so lets see the general trend here seems to be anoyone who doesnt beleive/accept jesus will die or should be killed and will burn in hell for all eternity


That's true.
You are either saved or you're not.
Not just jewish people or jungle heathens.


so lets see the list of people who accept jesus ......... christians ....and youve already condemned most of the worlds christians for bieng not real christians .... heavens gona be a lonley place.


I didn't say Christians who don't believe in Jesus' teachings were going to hell, just that they are not TRUE Christians, NOT LIVING UP to Jesus' commands.
The thief on the cross, probably didn't know WHAT his theology was, apart from Jesus being the awaited Messiah.



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