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reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 11:31 AM by Craig Ranke CIT
reply to post by pinch



Excuse me?

We said no such thing.

You are lying about what we said which is why you did not quote us.

I'm going to have to demand that you quote and source us or concede that you simply made it up.


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 01:43 PM by Craig Ranke CIT
reply to post by CameronFox



SPreston is not Aldo nor is he a member of CIT.

Furthermore you have not provided a quote where we specifically said that Lloyde is for sure an asset or a "deep cover operative".

pinch made that up and did not source it and neither have you.

The fact that the evidence proves Lloyde's story false has no bearing on the fact that pinch lied about what we said.


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 01:57 PM by CameronFox
reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT



i never said SPreston was CIT. Just showing that he called Lloyde a liar.

Here is the quote from Aldo in response to this question:

"This man is the farthest thing from a govt agent I have ever seen. "

Aldo's Response:

How about an asset? How just a broke old cab driver who is easily enticed by large sums of money? How about coerced? How about manipulated? Nice strawman, no one from CIT called him a "gov't agent". Get a grip.

source

Yes Aldo, a member of CIT called Lloyde a liar.

[edit on 24-11-2008 by CameronFox]


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 02:07 PM by Craig Ranke CIT
reply to post by CameronFox



The evidence proves Lloyde's story false which most certainly implicates him as a liar.

I never denied that.

However pinch lied by stating we called him a "deep cover operative" without quoting or sourcing us.

You have failed to prove him correct.

In fact you have done the opposite by showing how we specifically stated that we have NOT called him a "deep cover operative" OR a "government agent".

Thanks for proving pinch wrong and me right by quoting and sourcing us appropriately.


Nice strawman, no one from CIT called him a "gov't agent". Get a grip.

source

Thanks for clearing that up for everyone.

[edit on 24-11-2008 by Craig Ranke CIT]


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 02:21 PM by billybob
lloyde and his wife practically admitted a cover-up.

the wife acknowledged the flyover, when she said, "yeah, what you said", and lloyde said, "it was for them, not for you and me...., the people with the big money, ...i'm not one of them" in regards to the whole day's events. when pressed, lloyde started to sound like he was trying to skinny out of from between a rock and a hard place.
i feel sorry for him. he knows if he tells the truth, he will be killed. he also knows what CIT is all about, and yet he seems to WANT to talk to craig, and show CIT as much information as he can. i think he is looking for truth to find the back door exit.

his story obviously doesn't add up, and he outright denies photographic proof of where he and his car were.

for lloyde to be telling the truth, there would have to be TWO taxis, and TWO lookalike drivers. he says he wasn't on the bridge. so, i think EVERYONE can agree that's either, yes, a LIE, OR, there were TWO cabs and TWO drivers.

that level of complexity in the plot is clearly beyond probability, therefore, it is highly likely that lloyde is lying. yet, he wants to cover his arse from both ways. he is safe from the shadow assassins as long as he sticks to the light pole bit, and 'safe' from the north of citgo proof as long as he says his cab was not on the bridge. the contradiction in possible realities doesn't seem to bother him too much. ie. no poles were knocked over where he says he was, and where the poles were knocked over is where he was photographed only moments after the explosion.


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 02:27 PM by CameronFox
reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT



I never said you called him a government agent.

BUT, you have to agree that you both think he works for the government some how. You both imply that he is "covering up the heinous crimes" of the United States Government. Yes?



reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 02:42 PM by Craig Ranke CIT
reply to post by CameronFox



We have evidence proving his story false.

We have said time and time again that we don't know his exact level of involvement and that it's even possible that he was coerced or manipulated which would in essence make him a victim.

pinch lied about our claims without quoting or sourcing us and you helped prove this to be the case.

Thank you for that.


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 02:45 PM by CameronFox
reply to post by tezzajw



Hi Tezz,

Please see my reasons above.

I have nothing against anyone's opinion. I may disagree with it, and therefore offer mine in response.

You would have to say that it is obvious that I don't agree with CIT's flyover.

In regards to Mr. England and his story; he is not very young. He was trying to recall events from over 7 years prior. Yes, a very traumatic event that people don't just forget.

Mr. England sounded very confused while Craig was showing him maps. He had a hard time locating places on the map.

I just see it as a massive leap to believe the US Government would attempt not on only a massive attack and cover up...but a deception. Too many things would go wrong. (and as Craig has pointed out, did go wrong)

just my 2 cents


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 02:58 PM by CameronFox
reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT



Craig,

We can look at the entire NoC witnesses, RADES, etc etc. We are talking about Lloyde. Yes, it all ties into your theory, but I thought we would stay on topic with Mr. England.

I don't want to sound like a parrot, but there is no way in hell that such a massive event like the mass murder of thousands of Americans would be allowed to be shared with a man like Lloyde England.

Sorry Craig, I can't buy it. You do hard work and you do what you think is right.



[edit on 24-11-2008 by CameronFox]



reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 03:18 PM by CameronFox
reply to post by tezzajw



Sorry Tezz.... I am a little rushed today, trying to goof off at work and get stuff done.

Please read this article...sort of what I meant:

in part:

June 23, 2002

Ideas & Trends; For Air Crash Detectives, Seeing Isn't Believing
By MATTHEW L. WALD

HUNDREDS of people watched the crash of American Airlines Flight 587 near Kennedy International Airport in New York on Nov. 12, and in the course of 93 seconds they apparently saw hundreds of different things.

According to the National Transportation Safety Board, which announced this month that it had gathered 349 eyewitness accounts through interviews or written statements, 52 percent said they saw a fire while the plane was in the air. The largest number (22 percent) said the fire was in the fuselage, but a majority cited other locations, including the left engine, the right engine, the left wing, the right wing or an unspecified engine or wing.

Nearly one of five witnesses said they saw the plane make a right turn; an equal number said it was a left turn. Nearly 60 percent said they saw something fall off the plane; of these, 13 percent said it was a wing. (In fact, it was the vertical portion of the tail.)

The investigators say there is no evidence in the wreckage or on the flight recorders of an in-flight fire or explosion. A plane breaking up in flight, as this one did, might in its last moments produce flashes of fire from engines ripping loose, but the idea that the plane caught fire is a trick of memory, they say.

None of this is surprising, said Dr. Charles R. Honts, a professor of psychology at Boise State University and the editor of the Journal of Credibility Assessment and Witness Psychology. Eyewitness memory is reconstructive, said Dr. Honts, who is not associated with the safety board. The biggest mistake you can make is to think about a memory like it's a videotape; there's not a permanent record there.

The problem, he said, is that witnesses instinctively try to match events with their past experiences: How many plane crashes have you witnessed in real life? Probably none. But in the movies? A lot. In the movies, there's always smoke and there's always fire.

As a result, the safety board generally doesn't place much value on eyewitness reports if data and voice recorders are available. For many investigators, the only infallible witness is a twisted piece of metal.


source

Hope that clears it up a little.

[edit on 24-11-2008 by CameronFox]
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