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reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 03:09 PM by adrenochrome

Originally posted by MurderCityDevil
Im tend to label myself a socialist

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to me socialism means people before profit

um.. i think you have it backwards - how can you say people come before profit in Socialism?!!

if obama was a socialist he'd be tearing town the whole capitalist empire that is america, he is not, he is part of that machine and capaitalist are supporting him

...and Capitalists are supporting him because Socialism is the transitional stage between Capitalism and Communism! Socialism and Capitalism are very closely related... they're not opposites like you seem to think they are.

you really know how to contradict yourself...

alot of you here who are uneducated on such subjects need to read up and really study instead of just thinking you know what it means or letting news outlets think for you

if i let the news outlets think for me, then why would i start this thread at all?! it's the fact that i don't agree with them that brings me here...

reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 03:13 PM by dariousg

Originally posted by stinkhorn
reply to post by adrenochrome

He is the most left leaning senator currently, he pals around with communist/terrorists, he believes in taking from the rich and giving it to the poor, he wants the government to take care of you from birth til death.

All of this government intrusion into our personal lives equals socialist/communist.

OMG, please people let's drop the 'he pals around with communist/terrorists' BS!@@@@@@@

You know, you are one of those that tries to associate by contact. If you truly follow this path then you MUST in turn say the same thing about McCain. Because he has some ties with Acorn as well. Sheesh!

He is NOT a socialist. Nothing of his plans are actual socialistic.

reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 03:23 PM by MurderCityDevil

um.. i think you have it backwards - how can you say people come before profit in Socialism?!!

wealth is distributed evenly meaning people are taken care of and not some slave wage kind of job where others getting rich off the poor
more people tend to be treated equally than seperate, there are many views on how socialism should be, i take it as everyone helping out each other for the greater good of each other, we are all people, different minds but we all live in the same world

...and Capitalists are supporting him because Socialism is the transitional stage between Capitalism and Communism! Socialism and Capitalism are very closely related... they're not opposites like you seem to think they are.

can you show me an example then

how does socialism take the wealth and only few receive the profits while the workers stay alive under small wages

you really know how to contradict yourself...

do I though?

alot of you here who are uneducated on such subjects need to read up and really study instead of just thinking you know what it means or letting news outlets think for you

if i let the news outlets think for me, then why would i start this thread at all?! it's the fact that i don't agree with them that brings me here...

i wasnt aiming that arguement at you at all, i agreed with your opening statement

reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 04:39 PM by adrenochrome

Originally posted by MurderCityDevil

...and Capitalists are supporting him because Socialism is the transitional stage between Capitalism and Communism! Socialism and Capitalism are very closely related... they're not opposites like you seem to think they are.

can you show me an example then

yeah, check out my post on the last page that links to wikipedia's page on Socialism... it's just the facts, nothing important

www.abovetopsecret.com...

i'm beginning to think that Socialism is similar to Democracy, in that it seems like a good idea on the surface, but underneath it's really something completely different. sure, democracy is power to the people, but TPTB know that people can be manipulated and persuaded to believe anything that they "officially" tell us.

"demos" - "mob"
"ocracy" - rule

"govern" - control
"mente" - mind

oh, and i used to listen to Murder City Devils!!

reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 04:59 PM by MurderCityDevil

reply to post by adrenochrome

most of my socialistic ideas tend be seem from the perspective of upton sinclair and how he puts it, endearing in a sense

why wouldnt you want others to be able to have things as you have?

granted hard work should pay off but in a sense of money hording and selfishness that keeps others down in a terrible way is so sad to me

alot of people complain about the government side of socialism

like i said they are many varieties that seemed to be here and there

but my main concern is for people and myself and well beings and living

i dont like materialism and im a minimalist so keeping up with the joneses is just distracting, i wanna live life and see places and meet people and live

so many topics are so broad that you cant get and exclusive definition of anything considering there will always be compromise for something

will i ever see a socialistic society in my life? probably not, but its nice to think it can happen if we all pull together as people and look out for each other

and no, i dont believe socialists are for a NWO as it is proposed with a huge governing system that is Totalitarianism and is disgusting to acknowledge

p.s. i still listen to them

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reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 05:19 PM by rapinbatsisaltherage

reply to post by adrenochrome

If you consider Obama a socialist for his tax plan then McCain was a socialist in 2000:

YouTube Link

McCain has every right to change his mind on this issue, but you might want to stop implying your opponent is some commie when he supports a plan you defended in 2000.

[edit on 29-10-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 07:00 PM by wdkirk

"Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and creates an unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved." - wikipedia

We are a capitalist nation. Changing tax structures does not make one a socialist. The idea may have a resemblance of socialism, but, it is not. Taxing someone a little higher and someone a little less really isn't going to redistribute the wealth. It may give the middle class a little more money to spend to help our economy along or to pay bills which are both good things. As for the rich, I know a few rich people and they have plenty of tax shelters to guard their earnings. If you make 250K and year and don't having stop guards in place to help offset taxes you owe, that's your fault. Get an accountant.

The middle clase provides the largest amount of tax money in the US. Not only from their paychecks, but, as consumers. Giving the middle class a tax break may not be the best option. I am not an economist so I really don't like speculating. I do know the loss of tax money from one place has to come from somewhere else or spending has to be cut.

Some stats are here (not sure of how valid).
www.ncpa.org...

My 2 pennies

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