Why Hate Joe The Plumber?, page 1


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reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 07:58 AM by Karlhungis
reply to post by deathhasnosound



I think that saying "He's a tool" would be bitter or hateful. In context, it means nothing more than he chose to allow the McCain campaign to use him to benefit their camp. I fail to see how that would be considered hateful.


reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 08:04 AM by nj2day
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It sounds like he said tool in the context of a tactic/strategy/implement.

This is true. McCain is the one who thrust him into the spotlight.

THe video clip of Him talking to obama would have disappeared and been forgotten had McCAin not repeatedly brought him up in the debate.

Now saying that he's unwilling, or his life was ruined? How is that, I've seen him on Several news shows giving interviews... he's traveling around with the McCain campaign, and has said he is considering running for congress in 2010. That doesn't sound very unwilling to me...

actually sounds... kind of opportunistic.

I don't think people hate him... I think they might be critical of him, but not hate...


reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 08:09 AM by nj2day
reply to post by nyk537



Had you ever heard of Joe the Plumber before McCain repeatedly brought him up (to the tune of a dozen or so times) during the debate?

McCain even said his full name on national TV...

He could have easily just commented on the footage, and not bothered to reveal the man's name.

Then all the reports about Obama "coming up to him, even when he didn't want to talk to him" are bogus...

watch the video, Joe tries to get his attention several times, and when he does, asks his question...

I'll see if I can find a full clip... at first glance most youtube videos only show him asking the question...



reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 08:16 AM by Karlhungis
reply to post by nyk537



It seems just as easy to believe that he was a plant as it is to believe that it was just a coincidence. Neither side can be proven at this point. Suspecting that he was a plant doesn't really qualify as hate does it?

Candidates have been using plants forever. Why is it out of the question that this man could possibly have been one as well? Considering that he is actually traveling with the campaign now makes it even more likely doesn't it? Or does that make it less likely?

I don't really care either way but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he was a plant.


reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 08:19 AM by Open_Minded Skeptic
reply to post by nyk537



No sweat... the challenges of written communication raise their heads again...

I've not personally heard any of the "previous plant" allegations of which you speak, so I cannot and won't comment on that.


reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 08:25 AM by Benevolent Heretic
nj2day is exactly right. McCain brought him up in the 3rd debate and mentioned him, I believe, 21 times in that debate. Since then, McCain and Palin have constantly mentioned him in their stump speeches and ads.

"Tell us how you're like Joe the Plumber" (McCain.com)

And while I'm tired of hearing about him, saying he's a tool does not come from hate or bitterness. I feel kind of sorry for the guy to tell you the truth. He DOESN'T make enough to be taxed by Obama and he's not who he represented himself to be. He was inundated with media trying to find out more about him and his privacy was completely shot. That's pretty sad.

Or it would be for me. He seems to enjoy the spotlight as he's hired a publicist.


reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 08:28 AM by nj2day
Originally posted by Karlhungis
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post by nyk537



It seems just as easy to believe that he was a plant as it is to believe that it was just a coincidence. Neither side can be proven at this point. Suspecting that he was a plant doesn't really qualify as hate does it?

Candidates have been using plants forever. Why is it out of the question that this man could possibly have been one as well? Considering that he is actually traveling with the campaign now makes it even more likely doesn't it? Or does that make it less likely?

I don't really care either way but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he was a plant.


I think it would be near impossible for him to be a plant...

after all, how would the McCain campaign known exactly what street Obama was going to walk down to send people in advance, and comb the block for a person that is suitable to their needs?

The fact that Obama walked down his block is pretty verifiable if you check public records for his address...

If he had not been a resident of that particular block, I'm sure someone would have found out and cried foul by now...

I'm not prone to buy the "plant" theory.

Now was he a Stalwart McCain supporter before he talked to Obama? I'm inclined to say yes...


reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 08:30 AM by Karlhungis
reply to post by nj2day



See, that shows how much I follow this. I have only seen the headlines. Thanks for the clarification.
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