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Originally posted by ANOK
Originally posted by deltaalphanovember
Everyone is missing the point - we are punishing the rich for being rich.
And why shouldn't we? I seem to get punished for being poor all the time.
They chose to spend their lives making THEMSELVES rich. What if they had spent their energies helping to make themselves better 'people'?
And then maybe the greed and Human misery they have created could have been avoided?
Sry but you don't need an 'economy' to trade.
The 'economy' is just a way to get you working for money that you can spend on stuff you really don't need, so others can get fat and rich by doing nothing but for themselves.
You are conditioned to think happiness comes from possessions and wealth, when really it's just a life devoid of your true potentials.
Humans are a different animal when taken out of the 'norm' of society and are freed from it's stresses, conditions and coercions.
Also try looking up permaculture and how that could get us away from the centralised system we have and into self sufficiency.
We don't either want, or need, your 'system'...
Well, we should make a difference between the "rich" and "elites"
Originally posted by Harman
When the world economy is arranged at a manner that secrecy in financials is impossible you will see that buying shoes for $350 that had a total cost of $10 will plumet, if people SEE that certain moneystreams go to companies that are known child labourers their sales will go down, if people SEE that certain companies pay their employees the bare minimum but their profits are through the roof their sales will go down.
If you do not care that the company you buy from is heavily into clusterbombs, go ahead and buy it's products, if you do not care that those $5 shoes costs $250 for you, go ahead, it's your hard or easy earned money you are spending.
Originally posted by deltaalphanovember
Overnight you become one of the rich, you are now a member of the group you so despise.
It is a fact that enough food to feed the world is currently produced. 300 kg of grain per head is currently produced worldwide each year. 200 kg of grain contains the calories needed by an adult per year. (Grain is widely used as a measure of food production as it supplies more than half humanity's calories.)
The 5.8 billion people in the world today have, on average, 15 percent more food per person than the global population, of 4 billion people, had 20 years ago.(4)
The world today produces enough grain to provide 3500 calories per person (this estimate does not include vegetables, beans, nuts, root crops, fruits, grass-fed meets, fish.)(23)
It is the poverty of millions of people who cannot afford to buy food that causes starvation. This conclusion has been reached by Vaclav Smil in a recent study entitled Feeding the World(29). An F.A.O. study by Nikos Alexandratos confirms this point. He writes Food availabilities for the world as a whole are today equivalent to some 2700 kilocalories per person per day …., up from 2300 calories 30 years ago.(28)
Originally posted by Sillyfool
...We are not a Capitalist nation. If we had a free market we would not have a central bank and would have government regulation to control greed (human nature).....
Socialism has never worked. I am not going to work my ass off so BO can give it to the asshole next door that WILL NOT do anything for himself.
Personally I can't see the market staying up much longer once he is elected. The markets do not like socialist
Originally posted by TheRedneck
....Thank you for the clarification.
The problems you mention (and they are problems!) are not caused by capitalism, IMHO, but by the abuse of capitalism....
If there were no reward (money) involved, how many people do you think would get up every morning and go to work?.
The idea that dangling money and other goodies in front of people will "motivate" them to work harder is the conventional wisdom in our society, and particularly among compensation specialists. Those of us who have challenged the Skinnerian orthodoxy that grounds this conviction have apparently caused its professional apologists to reassert in ever more emphatic and defensive language what most of their audience already takes on faith. (Hence the amusing spectacle of being admonished that it is "time that management specialists ... understood the importance of money" -- as though the field were guilty of attributing too little importance to it!)...
In numerous studies conducted over the last fifty or sixty years, researchers have concluded money is not the prime motivator for most people. Yes, people work for money -- but it is not their biggest motivator.
So without some sort of rewards system....
Until we have a planet full of people who do not wish to have better than they have now, and who have such a strong work ethic that they will work without any encouragement in the way of monetary gain...
…what else is the life of all men engaged in business but fraud and perjury? What is the life of the curiales but injustice? What is the life of government officials but slander? What is the life of all connected with the army but pillage? Salvian, The Presbyter
In our contemporary world it is early yet, but the path looks frighteningly familiar [to the Roman Empire]. Instead of Senators, we have billionaires and multi-millionaires and corporate leaders, and politicians who get lobbyists to write their bills, so that Medicare cannot negotiate drug prices, so that the food industry does not have to reveal whether its products contain genetically engineered substances, pesticides, or synthetic hormones, and developers can take away your houses, or corporations can export your jobs. These same politicians say they have to cut funding to Medicaid, student loans, Medicare, senior housing, Social Security, community policing and child care among other programs in order to pass permanent tax cuts for the wealthiest among us. Aid to the victims of Hurricane Katrina is not fully funded, but the wealthiest corporation in the world (Exxon) gets billions in government subsidies. This isn't just a partisan pattern. This is a course of self-destruction:
There is enough for all, but not enough for one greedy man." Gandhi