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Senator Obama Crowd Salute

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posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 02:29 AM
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I just received an e-mail in regards to some really wild salute of sorts, which many Obama supporters have been displaying at his rallies. I looked into the History of this symbol, and here is what I discovered [taken from e-mail]:


[MY Analysis]:


Does that hand-sign resemble this in your view?






THIS is the "Odal Rune", a Pagan symbol that was adopted by Die Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, AKA The National Socialist German Workers' Party [ie, NAZI Deutschen (NAZI Germans) ], and it represents the supposed unity amongst those of a Pure Race, Bloodline, or Group. So point in fact, it came to represent the National Socialist Movement (ie, NAZISM).

The Wiking Jugend (Viking Youth), used this symbol up until at least 1994. It was also an emblem worn upon the Uniforms of the 7th SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs Abteilung Prinz Eugen (7th SS-Volunteer-Mountain Division Prince Eugen) during WWII. The "Prince Eugen" was also the name of a NAZI Admiral Hipper Class-Heavy Cruiser in use during WWII. (The "Prince Eugen" was seized by the United States Navy, stripped, and then scrapped during Atomic Bomb Testing in the Pacific). Bottom line, this is an SS Symbol.


-TAN




[HERE is where the Original E-mail begins, as sent to me]:




The hands of the Führer organize his speech. This picture captures Hitler's hands as he speaks of the unity of the National Socialist and socialist ideas. See pics below of HITLER VS OBAMA
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Hitler Salute:






Obama Rally Salute:





Obama "Sign Of Progress":



[END]




posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 02:33 AM
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posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 02:38 AM
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I don't see what youre seeing and plucky is tired.

It looks like, to me, the international symbol for vagina, at least the triangle ones.



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 02:39 AM
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Im not for Obama, but are suggesting that there is some kind of scheme to somehow bring him up as essentially a new Hitler/fascist archetype?



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 02:39 AM
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I think this is a stretch. Oh, and the pic of the people in the crowd with them making the triangle symbol... I think that is Jay-Z's hand symbol as shown here www.mtv.com...

He got sued over it, which I didn't know. Anyway, I think Jay-Z endorsed Obama recently- maybe it was in reference to that. Not sure when that pic was taken.

I have never seen the round symbol as shown in the last pic. But it doesn't look like the Socialist pic to me.

And frankly if that e-mail had any shred of merit Faux News would have been all over it like white on rice.



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 04:16 AM
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Most lame attempt at associating Obama with Hitler I've ever seen.

The rune looks anything like the "diamond cutter"

The hand gesture is used in meditation. Source (8)

It's used as a signature symbol for a professional wrestler. Source

It's used as a symbol for a rapper that recently got sued by said professional wrestler for infringement. Source

It was used in Star Trek. Source 1 and Source 2

The Sign of Progress graphic was designed by a creative agency that isn't associated with Obama that wanted to try and cash in on making a hand gesture that could be used at rallies. It's also obviously making an 'O' with the hands rather than the diamond in the other pictures. Source

In your picture it shows three people doing the hand gesture, and even if it was some horribly offensive Nazi salute, I don't see anyone else doing it, I don't see Obama doing it, I don't see five thousand people doing it in unison.

Also, how does Hitler = Obama when Obama isn't the one doing the hand gesture Hitler is doing? How can you associate Obama to Hitler when it's the crowd that is doing it?

Who knows what their motivation for throwing their hands up like that was, doubt it was because they were trying to remind people of an obscure propaganda photo of Hitler's hands.

[edit on 29-10-2008 by davion]



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 05:31 AM
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Come on chap, think.

How exactly would Obama be a neo-nazi if it entailed having to kill any non-WASPs... which of course, includes himself and his own family.

What exactly is the point of this thread? It can't be a smear against Obama surely... its too ridiculous.



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by 44soulslayer
Come on chap, think.

How exactly would Obama be a neo-nazi if it entailed having to kill any non-WASPs... which of course, includes himself and his own family.

What exactly is the point of this thread? It can't be a smear against Obama surely... its too ridiculous.



www.abovetopsecret.com...

There are about 50 Bush=Hitler threads. You guys have been pounding Bush with this type of crap for 8 years. You reap what you sow, so get ready for the next 4 years. Its going to be fun!



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 08:57 AM
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This method of propaganda is called "Transfer"

Its when you try and associate a particular target with a loaded or unpleasant symbol that invokes emotion in the audience.

The goal being, when the person sees or hears of the target, these images subconsciously arise in the mind of the audience, and they unknowingly associate the target with the emotions they would attach to their perception of what the symbol means.

This is nothing but a loaded propaganda-ist post.



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by nj2day
This method of propaganda is called "Transfer"

Its when you try and associate a particular target with a loaded or unpleasant symbol that invokes emotion in the audience.

The goal being, when the person sees or hears of the target, these images subconsciously arise in the mind of the audience, and they unknowingly associate the target with the emotions they would attach to their perception of what the symbol means.

This is nothing but a loaded propaganda-ist post.





History tends to repeat itself. Let's look at similarities...


Hitler was about hope and change (Obama's campaign slogans).

Hitler blamed the rich Jews for the natins troubles (Obama blames the white right).

Hitler was a charismatic speaker (Obama is a charismatic speaker)

Hitler spoke and women fainted (Obama spoke and women fainted)

Hitler had his own flag (Obama has his)

Hitler had his own seal ( Obama has his)

Hitler was a democratic socialist (Obama is a democrat socialist)

Hitler changed the laws of power structure (Obama wants to change the US Constitution).

Hitler was praised in the press (Obama is praised in the press).


There's a few transferable similarities as history threatens to repeat itself yet once again...



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 09:24 AM
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You could actually take any person, and find similarities like that...

that is an entirely different propaganda technique in itself... but I don't think that was your intention



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by Fromabove
Hitler was about hope and change (Obama's campaign slogans).

Hitler blamed the rich Jews for the natins troubles (Obama blames the white right).

Hitler was a charismatic speaker (Obama is a charismatic speaker)

Hitler spoke and women fainted (Obama spoke and women fainted)

Hitler had his own flag (Obama has his)

Hitler had his own seal ( Obama has his)

Hitler was a democratic socialist (Obama is a democrat socialist)

Hitler changed the laws of power structure (Obama wants to change the US Constitution).

Hitler was praised in the press (Obama is praised in the press).



You are both the victim and the perpetrator of a well documented logical fallacy known as Reductio ad Hitlerum, please see this link:

en.wikipedia.org...

It's getting pretty pathetic that in the closing days of the campaign the Republican supporters reduced themselves to this...


[edit on 29-10-2008 by buddhasystem]



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 09:34 AM
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Good thread. Whether or not the crowds know what they are endorsing, it shows his ability to manipulate the unthinking masses. They now have a salute to recognize each other with.

Next, he will tell them what to say.

When he tells them what to do (be quiet, sit down, give me your guns), then look out.



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by Fromabove
Hitler was about hope and change (Obama's campaign slogans).

Hitler blamed the rich Jews for the natins troubles (Obama blames the white right).

Hitler was a charismatic speaker (Obama is a charismatic speaker)

Hitler spoke and women fainted (Obama spoke and women fainted)

Hitler had his own flag (Obama has his)

Hitler had his own seal ( Obama has his)

Hitler was a democratic socialist (Obama is a democrat socialist)

Hitler changed the laws of power structure (Obama wants to change the US Constitution).

Hitler was praised in the press (Obama is praised in the press).



You are both the victom and the perpetrator of a well documented logical fallacy known as Reductio ad Hitlerum, please see this link:

en.wikipedia.org...

It's getting pretty pathetic that in the closing days of the campaign the Republican supporters reduced themselves to this...




[edit on 29-10-2008 by buddhasystem]


LOL buddha

I already brought up Reductio... thats what prompted that discourse by fromabove...

I just didn't wanna call it out again


I like u


edit: Oops, my reductio comment was in another thread.... sorry for the confusion...




[edit on 29-10-2008 by nj2day]



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
Next, he will tell them what to say.


You don't think both campaigns don't already? lol

Propaganda is a powerful weapon...



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
Good thread. Whether or not the crowds know what they are endorsing, it shows his ability to manipulate the unthinking masses.


First off, this pseudo-swastika thing is a truckload of BS, in my opinion, and (as I said in an earlier post) Reductio ad Hitlerum in its purest form.

As to Obama's ability, he's shown a rare ability to mobilize masses, and we need that in the time of trouble we are in, due to inept, corrupt and often stupid Republican leadership who mostly asked of people to not think.


[edit on 29-10-2008 by buddhasystem]



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 09:51 AM
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wouldn't you consider the flag symbol a "Transfer" instead of Reductio?

Actually both campaigns are running a remarkably effective propaganda campaign... Can't limit it to just republicans mate



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 09:54 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



Oooooh


Hitler breathed, and so does Obama

Hitler went to the toilet, and so does Obama

Hitler ate and drank, and so does Obama.

Both of them had two feet and two arms, and ten fingers and toes...uncanny huh???

Sheesh guys. Enough already. This whole smear thing for your election over there is making you all look ridiculous and farcical.

As for the hand sign, it looks to me like hes a Diamond Dallas Page fan. Did you draw similarities to that when DDP was tearing up WCW and WWE?

I think not....



As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 09:58 AM
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Obama is not really much like Hitler, he's much more like Joseph Stalin.



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by neformore


Oooooh


Hitler breathed, and so does Obama

Hitler went to the toilet, and so does Obama

Hitler ate and drank, and so does Obama.

Both of them had two feet and two arms, and ten fingers and toes...uncanny huh???

Sheesh guys. Enough already. This whole smear thing for your election over there is making you all look ridiculous and farcical.

As for the hand sign, it looks to me like hes a Diamond Dallas Page fan. Did you draw similarities to that when DDP was tearing up WCW and WWE?

I think not....



happens every 4 years lol

we get used to it over here...

I take this time to try and understand methods used to manipulate people's thoughts and opinions


seems a good a time as any



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