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Why would you NOT vote for Obama?

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posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by Justice123
reply to post by TheRooster
 


Not one of your so called facts is true. This tells me that you have not done your research into the Truth.

Ignorance is not an excuse to spread lies.


Really, not one? Well... since you seem to be the ONLY one who knows the truth here, what exactly is it? And since YOU did your research, be sure to source all your points so that they may be verified. Thanks




posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 11:47 PM
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The quote comes from page 261 of the paperback edition of “The Audacity of Hope.” Maybe the guy I share my office with got a special edition or something, but it's right there on page 261, highlighted, underlined and circled.


come on man. you know what, im gonna be honest. i googled what was posted in quotes, and went through a 2 pages in google on that quote, and that is how i found out it was a flat out, out of context lie, and thats the only reason i posted it, because after research i found it to not be true. now, you dare sit behind your computer and tell me im wrong, and claim that it is in his book, after it was initially sent to millions of americans via a chain email, and found out to not be truthful at all. are you telling your friends and family this fuc#$%^ garbage?

wow, sir, wow. why do you choose to b#@!^





My reasoning might sound very twisted for not voting for Obama - but here goes. I believe the next 4 years are going to be utter h*ll here in America between the financial mess and foreign wackos. By 2012, our country is going to be in such the pits, that whomever is president will most likely be labeled "the worst president ever" - even if it's not his/her fault (and it probably won't be). No one will remember Bush's inactions. So, do you really want to see someone who is "making history" right now then get labeled "the worst president ever" 4 years later? As much as I liked Hillary and voted for her in the primaries, I'm glad "the first woman" won't be getting elected president during this awful time either. I think McCain can better handle the title of "worst president ever." Twisted, eh?


so basically your saying, you didnt vote for obama, because if he messes up, not only will he mess up, but he will be a black man messing up, in a country that is already very racially sensitive.

that is also fuc#$%^ garbage. i want you to go to a bar, or library, wherever, and go up to someone and say that you didnt vote for obama because he is black, and if he messes up, your worried of the outcome of a black president messing up, and see what kind of reaction you get out of a hundred people. dont worry about him, worry about why your fellow man still acts like of rabid meat sack, who would rather not use proper logic and rational that looks out for the greater good, but would rather become infuriated by a president who in your thoughts, crime would be, being FUC@#$#% BORN BLACK, AND NOT BEING PERFECT, LIKE THE REST OF THE PRESIDENTS IN THE UNITED STATES.

do you even think, or are you some type of internet bot that post stupid garbage every other hour or so. you cant be human

let me correct myself. im not for either one, and i dont think obama is our greater good, because our problems are so much more deep rooted than that. i just mean it in a general sense, not specifically standing up for obama.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 11:58 PM
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im glad im not alone , i wonder if god took the day off when he made these peoples brains


he had to have. im a young male, part of a generation only really known for making hip hop, fighting, and blinging out, and im smarter than the average male or female, ten to thirty years my senior, who have been through harsher times than me. its a dirty, disgusting shame, and its even worse that i cannot school them in the fallacies of their beliefs and logic without getting looked at funny.

im not political genius, or top notch howard scholar. im a man who always played the fence, and seemingly, i was given a route that has lead me to truths beyond what i would have fathomed in my younger years. i almost feel obligated, but i have a bad temper for stupidity.

i started with nothing more than an interest in qi, and it lead me down a path of amazement. i could not even fathom being so blatantly ignorant like a majority of people i know or meet, but maybe that balances the universe, and its how we learn, i dont know. its frustrating at times though, but im a cool guy for the most part, and i dont challenge people unless they challenge me, or they say something so utterly stupid, that it needs to be challenged, and they need to think otherwise.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by jimmy1200

come on man. you know what, im gonna be honest. i googled what was posted in quotes, and went through a 2 pages in google on that quote, and that is how i found out it was a flat out, out of context lie, and thats the only reason i posted it, because after research i found it to not be true. now, you dare sit behind your computer and tell me im wrong, and claim that it is in his book,

wow, sir, wow. why do you choose to b#@!^

so basically your saying, you didnt vote for obama, because if he messes up, not only will he mess up, but he will be a black man messing up, in a country that is already very racially sensitive.

do you even think, or are you some type of internet bot that post stupid garbage every other hour or so. you cant be human


So Jimmy, you didn't pick up his book and turn to page 261? And what, if it's on Google it has to be the truth? Truth be told, I haven't voted yet. But I can tell you I'm not going to vote for "O" for the same reason I wouldn't promote you to the head of your company after being on the job for 143 days. He aint ready, the country has questions and we either can't ask them, or if we do, we have hell to pay if he stumbles for the right answer.

All that I have heard from this man is a sales job for the last 20 months. Back when the war in Iraq was down the tubes, he was going to get us out. Now the economy is in the tank, he's going to give us a hand out. It seems he's always selling something. It would be nice to compare the salesman to the student. It would be nice to have some insight into this mans psyche by reading some of his college papers. If the republican party put up a candidate with the associations O'Bama has, they'd get grilled by everybody... But not "O", he gets a pass.

The only thing we have to counter all this selling are his two books. And obviously those two writings are open to interpretation.

The only man to run that wasn't selling us anything but the truth was Ron Paul, who was possibly our best chance for change.

Jimmy, you say this...


i could not even fathom being so blatantly ignorant


And then admit this...


you know what, im gonna be honest. i googled what was posted in quotes


Live up to your own standards before accusing someone else of ignorance.

[edit on 10/31/2008 by TheRooster]



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 12:21 AM
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That's the problem with Obama supporters. They are so uninformed. The DEMOCRATS have been in charge of Congress for the past 2 years. They are the one who can be blamed for all of the crap legislation for the past 2 years, including the bailout. I feel sorry for Obama supporters. They are like zombies, blinding supporting a snakeoil salesman while ignoring anything negative said against him. CHANGE. CHANGE. Drivel. Every new president brings change. Not all change is for the better.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 12:30 AM
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Go Back and check your Facts! He wants to grow the military. He believes in the 2nd Amendment what more do you want. Sorry he does want to take guns out of the hands of Criminals. I guess you consider yourself a Criminal

Ignorance is no excuse for spreading lies



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 12:35 AM
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If he will not produce his birth certificate than you CAN'T vote for him. If he is legal then he produces it and that goes away. Plus, if he starts redistributes wealth like he says then the economy is done for good. He is a nightmare. I was going to vote 3rd party but now I have to vote McDumb. We are all screwed!



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 12:59 AM
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ROFL . Seriously you guys , a good chunk of this site is dedicated to government conspiracy and the NWO have you ever read anything about it ??? Do you honestly think that there's going to be any change in the agenda depending upon who's president!? I'm not voteing for Obama or McCain. Why? Because they are puppets and they will do as there told by there masters.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 01:07 AM
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Semper Fi Marine

I agree with you one Hundred percent. If all of these War mongers want war then let them go fight it.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 04:19 AM
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The rest of the world is rooting for a democrat victory. That in itself speaks volumes, simply because the world has had enough of Republicans and your lame foreign policy. American's should vote for the lesser of two evils - Obama.
Why anyone would vote for John McInsane is beyond me. That guy is just so damn creepy!!!!! A vote for John Mcinsane is a vote for more wars, more death, more destruction and even more lies and probably the end of the human race.
Vote for Obama, but unfortunately, that's as good as it gets.
Puppets on a string.

[edit on 31-10-2008 by kindred]



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 04:25 AM
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Originally posted by kindred
The rest of the world is rooting for a democrat victory. That in itself speaks volumes,


Yes it truly does


The President is an important International figure, to say the least.

Not saying it should be based on that, but it is definitely a factor.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 04:26 AM
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To respond to the OP only, as I came late in the thread:



This guy has come up too fast, too far. When do you remember another politician ever rising so far so fast? He's not that good; he must have someone behind him, and it ain't the American public I'm talking about..


Not as fast as Palin.

Mr Obama's credentials speak for themselves: Harvard Law professor, senior lecturer of law, state legislator, author, senator, etc. I do also believe he is qualified and able to use a PERSONAL COMPUTER!



His voice brings up the hairs on the back of my neck. .


I think he does the same to McSame and the rest of the republicans because you know your candidate can't stand up to him.



His philosophy, his associations, tell me that he is in the back pocket of some very bad people.


Personally, I can't think of worse associates to have in this government than the current president and vice president. As for Acorn, Mr.McCain delivered a key note speech endorsing the work they did/are doing. I wonder how much he was paid to deliver that speech? I guess the fact Obama has: 1 house, 1 car and 1 bicycle are clear evidence that he has his hands in the pockets of powerful people. I guess being a senator and having 7 houses is just normal.



My own reasons are based upon a gut feeling:


This has got to be the most ridiculous reason ever, that I have heard in the entire run up to election 2008. Have you explored the possibility that your "gut feeling" could be linked to something else psychological? maybe your gut feeling is deeply rooted in paranoia due to "skin deep" differences? I am basing this opinion on my OWN "gut feeling" about YOU, based upon your past posts and comments on this forum. I guess it's not accurate, but that's what you get with these types of "gut feelings" I guess.

Worst Decision 08' Obama thread EVER!




posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 04:32 AM
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Originally posted by Sillyfool
If he will not produce his birth certificate than you CAN'T vote for him. If he is legal then he produces it and that goes away. Plus, if he starts redistributes wealth like he says then the economy is done for good. He is a nightmare. I was going to vote 3rd party but now I have to vote McDumb. We are all screwed!


Are you stuck in the past? Obama won the nomination, we've moved on, heck, it's almost election day and people have already voted early!

Just to bring you up to speed...

You can find Obama's REAL birth certificate here! -Verified!

And it isn't an issue any more.

Seriously though, you need to keep informed on these things my friend, stop using these fear based talking points. Why not try to show WHY McCain is the better candidate than - Why Obama is not. Doing that requires a certain degree of class.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 04:33 AM
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So Jimmy, you didn't pick up his book and turn to page 261? And what, if it's on Google it has to be the truth? Truth be told, I haven't voted yet. But I can tell you I'm not going to vote for "O" for the same reason I wouldn't promote you to the head of your company after being on the job for 143 days. He aint ready, the country has questions and we either can't ask them, or if we do, we have hell to pay if he stumbles for the right answer.


no i didnt pick up his book. dont give me the old, oh, its on the internet, its a lie, rhetorical bullcrap. FU@#$%^ GOOGLE IT, after going to every site, after the first two pages, you will come to find out that, months ago it was debunked as a misinterpreted lie. i loved ron paul in comparison, so dont judge me about voting, but in an essentially two party system, im not wasting my vote on these fools who want to pull the wool over my eyes about the illusion of democracy. fact, you didnt research after i made my post, but you reacted on emotion, because you, like most people in real life, or on the internet, just cant accept the fact that your wrong. let it go. its okay, sometimes we're not always right. i doubt your boy even has the book, he probably got the same chain email like everyone else, but to boost his ego, he purchased the book, didnt read it, and said, oh yeah, its on that page. im not stupid dude. dont try to play me.

IF IM WRONG. PROVE ME WRONG ABOUT THE QUOTE. I WILL GLADLY SAY IM WRONG, I DONT CARE.





Live up to your own standards before accusing someone else of ignorance



MY MAN, ARE YOU REALLY LIKE SLOW, OR IS YOUR TWELVE YEAR OLD TYPING YOUR REPLIES FOR YOU. if i was not living to your standards, i would not have read what was quoted, googled it, and then came back and responded with the CORRECT ANSWER. i would have accepted that as truth, replied agreeing with whoever, without checking the truth of the actual quote. THATS FU@#$%^ IGNORANCE. i am by no means ignorant. you are ignorant for seeing the truth, not researching it, and then having the nerve to come back on the forum without anything to back up your claims, but still wanting to battle head to head with people.

you have to be an illusion, and im asleep. you cant be real.

[edit on 31-10-2008 by jimmy1200]



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 05:15 AM
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Obama is a 'product' rather than a person...

a craftily honed 'symbol', generated for the masses.


besides, here's some food for thought:

www.wnd.com...

( i realize the 'wnd' source is generally, propaganda/spin,
but there is a grain-of-truth in their assertions... enjoy)





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'pro'~Nader~
'con'-incumbants who voted for 'bailout'



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 05:17 AM
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Just tell it like it is. You would not vote for anyone other than Obama. He has no resume. Period. He has chosen his (marxist)friends carefully. His words. Not mine. Read his book. Look at all of his friends and assosiates. Of course this is a no win election. We are screwed or we are really screwed. Dont go by party affiliation, Dem, Rep, etc. The best man to lead us was thrown out in the primaries. Ron Paul was a good man and forsaw the current turmoil of the economy. He warned of it. He got thrown under the bus for it. Obama has nothing to offer but socialism. McClain has nothing to offer but more politico. We are either screwed or we are really screwed. Choose carefully



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 05:31 AM
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My 4th Reason in this thread I will not vote for Obama

I have had for months to read too many posts about him here at Ats, he had distracted from more interesting things like Ghosts, Aliens, Underground Civilizations, Sci Tech, Conspiracies, Illuminati and the rest...

Somehow I know

Political Trolls have a part in all of this

and it genuinely has distracted from figuring out what really is going on behind the scenes...

and that includes me...

But I feel like

The whole things is somehow rigged anyway and we are being set up yet again

And for months ATS is consumed away from a quest for Truth and we are all de evolving into nightly news creatures that banter back and forth getting sucked into MSM politics if for no other reason than by defending our opinions against them which ever side we are on...

and the real goal, to know whats coming and who's behind it

Is lost on this election

And I realized this election is yet...

The latest distraction from the REAL

and all the hype of assassination and race and race wars and Black President and all the rest, is designed to keep us arguing and not looking at what is really going on...

so for that and all the commotion Obama stirred up and all the distraction and the Zero change I know will come to pass once he gets in front of the House and Senate and every Idea he has is squashed anyway

For roping me into politics and away from truth Barack ol Fella...

For that alone You Loose My Vote





posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 05:48 AM
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In all fairness I KNOW McCain contributed equally to that!!



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 05:49 AM
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Originally posted by St Udio

Obama is a 'product' rather than a person...

a craftily honed 'symbol', generated for the masses.


So you are saying we all manifested Obama from our collective will?



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 06:04 AM
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Rofl, I suppose..... siiiiiigh

But seriously

If this was a Race between McCain and Let's say Kerry

There would have been maybe, a handful of posts this whole time I think

1: Kerry, Head like a Horse is he Human?

2: McCain Strange Reptilian voice?

3: Heinz Ketchup PCB's Illuminati proof?

4: McCain Wrinkles form Pentagram on thigh

5: Sarah Palins Husband part Sasquatch not Eskimo


and, I think that would have been about it without Obama


But this election has brought gosh knows who Into the woodwork... (we are technically the people in the woodwork that normally get brought out when strange things happen correct?)




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