It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Brazilian Scientists Have Developed A Vacuum-Energy Motor

page: 6
70
<< 3  4  5    7 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 01:01 PM
link   

Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke
Well...that's why their claims are suspicious.


And that is what I am having problems with. I want to believe, but in my opinion, the Holy Grail hasn't been found.



That's the only real test for these free-energy devices: close the loop!

Can anyone tell me why they use batteries instead of diodes in their circuit?


100% with you on this. If I understand the research on this, the battery is needed to jump start the motor, but then is offline except as storage for the excess energy produced, the "vacuum energy" powering the motor from the time the motor is "up to speed". Which begs the question: Why isn't there enough energy present "from the vacuum" to start the motor?




posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 01:08 PM
link   
reply to post by GoldenAge
 


Flagged and starred, per request, because I think there is much to learn here. Good day, sir!



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 01:50 PM
link   
reply to post by DisgustedOne
 


Disgusted. The stuff I've seen is backwards to what we are accustomed to in transverse electromagnetic engineering.

Normally, where you have impedance, this weakens the circuit. But in a radiant energy circuit, every place you have impedance, this in turn amplifies the power within the circuit. Things cool instead of heat.

There is definitely no such thing as free energy. But if you're willing to pay a little up front, then with radiant energy, properly circuited and extracted, it's akin to putting in a nickel and getting back dollars. Is this free? Nope. It cost you a nickel. Never mind that you netted ninety five cents over and above a nickle investment.

This radiant energy is why Tesla abandoned his AC development. It fascinated him, and he recognized that only with radiant energy can we grossly amplify our energy production.

We actually have a few "Tesla"s. But just like Tesla, they've been put through the mill. While very popular with everyday people who want something better, those who already have it pretty good plan on hanging onto the status quo.



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 02:04 PM
link   
reply to post by spacebagel
 


the 2nd law of thermodynamics refers to equilibrium systems.
take a heat pump as an example.
it takes current from the wall and heat from the air, thats two sources of energy for the price of one.
these systems are trying to emulate this idea.
is it possible?
of course it is.
did you never get a static shock from the laws of thermodynamics?
its possible if you bind your dogma with that stuff they used to make track (shell) suits out of and then rub your hands together is if your right in your assumptions.
lets try and catch static charges from the air and convert them to a type of energy we can use by using a chemical process.
effiency versus coeffiency of performance.
lets create a system that is not in equilibrium and as such stay within all the laws of thermodymanics.
do we think we can do that?



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 02:38 PM
link   
I have just sent the following to STOP at stop@stop.org.br :

Hello,

Congratulations for your wonderful accomplishment in creating the Keppe Motor!

You should know, upon reading the news of your accomplishment, I created a discussion thread at AboveTopSecret.com, "Brazilian Scientists Have Developed a Vacuum-Energy Motor". The thread can be viewed at www.abovetopsecret.com...

I would say the thread has been quite successful, people are showing a lot of interest in this and many excellent questions are being raised.

AboveTopSecret.com has over 70,000 active members and an audience of millions.

I would like to personally invite Dr. Keppe, Cesar Soos, Roberto Frascari or any members of STOP to participate in the ongoing discussion of the Keppe Motor at ATS. Registering at ATS is quick and free.

My hope is that members of ATS could possibly be persuaded to help replicate and test your motor and testify it's validity to the world!

Best Regards,
"GoldenAge"


Feel free to back me up everyone!



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 09:20 PM
link   
reply to post by GoldenAge
 


Its not all over the internet we've just seen a demo is all. it looks fairly easy to build and the technology is supposedly outlined in his book, but I have yet to hear of anyone actually reproducing it and building it.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 07:49 AM
link   

Originally posted by GoldenAge

Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke
So yes, they are claiming it produces free energy. However if you stop and think about this why would the device need to use any energy at all? They have 70W (in the above example) spare - they just need to close the loop and feed some of the excess power back into the driving the device - it shouldn't need any fuel source apart from what it generates.


If you listen to the interview I linked to, Stirling asks Cesar about this, and he says they are not quite at that point yet - where the motor requires no input at all other than the vacuum energy. He mentions possibly combining the motor with solar panels to provide the input.

Solar panels? This makes no sense. The device is claimed to generate excess energy - over unity - therefore they just feed back some of the excess energy for the "input". Why is the electricity generated different from the electricity captured from a solar panel? How can the device tell the difference?

These guys need to:

1 Close the loop
2 Remove the batteries (use diodes if they need temp energy storage in circuit)
3 Put a proper load on the motor
4 Get it tested by a reliable lab.

There is a company called EarthTech who could do the testing - they are definitely not "sceptics", but are taken fairly seriously. Their mission is to find a free (or cheap) energy device - not to pointlessly debunk.

Until they can do that they are no different from the millions of others who have claimed perpetual motion.

I will eat my hat if these guys ever put their device up for testing however.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 01:32 PM
link   
I agree that independent testing will reveal the truth. Look what happened to "cold fusion" when it was subjected to peer review.

I don't know if James Randi would consider this "paranormal" (but why not?), but his $1,000,000 prize will expire within a year. If these guys need funding, they can give a prototype or kit to Randi and take home some money.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 05:56 PM
link   

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Its not all over the internet we've just seen a demo is all. it looks fairly easy to build and the technology is supposedly outlined in his book, but I have yet to hear of anyone actually reproducing it and building it.


Check their site again, they plan on open-sourcing the design by the end of the year. Keep in mind too that this is quite new, this news only came out in September, so I'm not surprised that it hasn't been reproduced yet. We'll probably see a lot more about this once the schematics are available for download....



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 06:07 PM
link   

Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke
Solar panels? This makes no sense. The device is claimed to generate excess energy - over unity - therefore they just feed back some of the excess energy for the "input". Why is the electricity generated different from the electricity captured from a solar panel? How can the device tell the difference?


I can't disagree with you there. If the motor really is tapping vacuum energy, they should be able to make it self-running.




I will eat my hat if these guys ever put their device up for testing however.


Yeah, again, they are supposed to be making the schematics available for download very soon, and I'd love to see some ATS members replicate it and achieve overunity



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 09:33 AM
link   
UPDATE:

I just checked the site again, www.keppemotor.com...

The instruction manual is available for download now, albeit at a small cost ($50 US).

Any ATS members want to volunteer to get the manual and try to build one....?



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 09:45 AM
link   
reply to post by GoldenAge
 



The scientists of the STOP Association are making available to the world the manual for the Premiere version of the scalar Keppe Motor, based on the revolutionary scientific theories in Norberto Keppe’s book The New Physics Derived From a Disinverted Metaphysics.

www.keppemotor.com...


In this fascinating book, psychoanalyst and philosopher, Norberto Keppe, Ph.D, shows us how the inverted concepts in Physics (as well as biology and psychology) have given us a totally upside down view of reality.

www.analyticaltrilogy.com...

This motor is based on the theories of a new age psychoanalyst and philosopher? Here's my fifty bucks! Take it!

[edit on 12/7/2008 by Phage]



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 09:54 AM
link   
reply to post by Phage
 


So psychoanalysts and philosophers aren't allowed to study physics and invent stuff? Hmm.....

Anyway, it would be nice if a few people would try this out, I would do it myself if I had any kind of engineering experience....

If nobody bites - oh well.



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 10:05 AM
link   
More updates and stuff available here:

keppemotor.wordpress.com...



Keppe Motor at ENERGAÏA Montpellier 2008
December 3, 2008 by Rich Jones
Remember all the noise about the Keppe Motor coming out of our International Conference of Analytical Trilogy in San Diego this past September? Well, the reverberations are still being felt. The Press Releases we put out back in California were picked up by many of the major news organizations around the world … and a lot of the alternative energy press got pretty excited, too.

Sterling Allan of the New Energy Congress had us on his Internet Radio show a few weeks ago, and through the networking channels of his organization, the Keppe Motor proposal fell into the hands of Mr. Pascal Fichant, the president of Cerntea (European Research Center for New Alternative Energy Technologies). Pascal opened up the possibility of us zipping over to ENERGAÏA Montpellier 2008 after Poland.

So, that’s what we’re doing. We’re off to present the Keppe Motor and the theory behind it (Norberto Keppe’s superb New Physics) at one of the sessions of the Conference.




Keppe Motor at Poznan Climate Change Conference
December 3, 2008 by Rich Jones
This is pretty exciting … two members of the Keppe Motor team - including co-inventor Alex Frascari - have been invited to be part of the Brazilian delegation to Poznan, the U.N. sanctioned conference on climate change underway now in Poland. No telling what will come out of this, so stay tuned to the blog and the Keppe Motor site for updates.

Frascari will have presentations at some of the side events associated with this Conference, and he’ll be reporting regularly to this blog. This will be interesting!




Difference between Keppe Motor and Bedini
November 20, 2008 by Rich Jones
Lot of questions about this, and so we wanted to just clear it up for you here.

Right off the bat, let’s be clear that the Bedini Motor is a great invention, and our hats go off to John Bedini for his excellent work, and for making the technology so accessible. There are some distinct differences, though, and so let’s clear that up once and for all.

First, the Bedini Motor works mostly as a generator; the Keppe Motor is a motor. What we mean by this is a device that transforms electrical energy (watts) into mechanical energy (torque or “force” and rotation). Although Bedini has a rotor with magnets, it is used mostly to generate pulses in order to charge batteries. In other words, Bedini does not extract mechanical energy from the system, which means it does not produce torque so it cannot efficiently power the blades of a fan, for example. The Keppe Motor can drive a fan, and very efficiently – using up to 90% less energy than a common electrical motor.

Our system generate some electrical energy to charge a battery or a capacitor as the Bedini Motor does, which shows that there is extra energy in the system that is not being used. We are working now to develop motors that do use all this energy, and hope to have prototypes to do this in the very near future.

Second, the Bedini Motor is a mono-polar machine (meaning it uses only one pole of the magnet, north OR south), while the Keppe Motor is a bi-polar machine (meaning we use both poles, north AND south).



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 10:30 AM
link   

Originally posted by GoldenAge
reply to post by Phage
 


So psychoanalysts and philosophers aren't allowed to study physics and invent stuff? Hmm.....

Anyway, it would be nice if a few people would try this out, I would do it myself if I had any kind of engineering experience....

If nobody bites - oh well.

Study, sure. Invent stuff, maybe. But claims like:

Dr. Norberto Keppe outlines the basis for a new physics that completely transcends the postulates of Newton and Einstein, and even the proposals coming from quantum physics.
seem to be a bit overboard.
www.keppemotor.com...

Before one "completely transcends" the theories of the truly great scientists, there is generally a process of peer review and experimentation. Newton went through it, as did Einstein. It seems that Keppe has only written a general consumption book on his "new physics". Rather than have his theories validated by those trained in the field, he prefers to market his book to others who are like minded.

"Bites" is the perfect word.

[edit on 12/7/2008 by Phage]



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 11:21 AM
link   
reply to post by Phage
 


I agree with you that it is strange that this Dr. Keppe's background seems to be in psychology and social sciences, and not physics or engineering.

But, look deeper. Look at the news updates, look at all the press coverage that this is getting. The STOP team being invited to big technology and climate conferences, etc etc.

This appears to be making big waves, psychoanalyst or not....



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 09:22 PM
link   
The problem with extracting "energy from the vacuum" isn't getting the energy, it's what to do with the entropy.

In all theories which have a scientific basis (e.g. quantum electrodynamics) the vacuum 'energy' is thermodynamically the same and random everywhere.

This is like a heat bath, and you can't get energy without a temperature difference.

To be able to extract work, you need more organized motion, and in reality some kind of sink for heat.

With a wind turbine the input wind is in a more coherent state (macroscopic movement) and dissipating that into heat (turbulence and heat at your point of electric consumption) is thermodynamically permissible so that there is a possibility for useful work.

The question is how to get an entropy gradient out of vacuum fluctuations---and there isn't any way to do this reliably and continuously.

You can get odd forces from the Casimir effect (which turn out to be exceptionally tiny in practice) but that doesn't yield any extractable energy.

If you want to make up some mumbo jumbo more likely to pass a physicist, say something like "exotic nuclear reactions in a resonance cross-section from dark-matter WIMPs".



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 09:46 PM
link   

Originally posted by GoldenAge
UPDATE:

I just checked the site again, www.keppemotor.com...

The instruction manual is available for download now, albeit at a small cost ($50 US).

Any ATS members want to volunteer to get the manual and try to build one....?


50 bucks is an awful lot for something that stands very little chance of being true. Anyone who truly knows for sure whether it works or not has bought the manual (or gotten it from someone who already did). So whether or not it works, they have your money. So there's no reason for them to actually have a working device.



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 11:38 PM
link   
Looks like there is something serious here.
A kit to build your own starter version is now available for $320.



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 06:01 PM
link   
reply to post by mdiinican
 

Hi,
This is one of those fools who purchased their manual and built such motor. It really works (i.e.: it starts running when connected to a power source). Badly enough, I don't have the tools to measure its' efficiency (alike probably most people). Because of its' small size, it doesn't generate enough torque to drive a dynamo or an alternator so "closing the loop" will be quite difficult.







 
70
<< 3  4  5    7 >>

log in

join