Originally posted by Outlawstar
Its amazing, its so funny when the people come along and say that free energy is impossible.......

This is the kind of post that makes the internet dumb...

people come to places like this, read the comments and assume the guy on the other end who posted such a brush off "I know more than you" statement is credible and then believe somehow the rest of the scientific world got it wrong.

How many people on ATS have no clue how energy works, what the second law of thermodynamics is or even how a basic motor works and yet they come away thinking:

1. This video shows free energy working.
2. Free energy exists
3. The Big Oil Companies kill people

There is nothing out there that has ever proven the existence of free energy. Nothing. No amount of screaming "Oil Company, Oil Company" will change that.


So I ask...what exactly is "funny"?

Free energy is still UNPROVEN, a video means nothing. Especially a video with three batteries and some flawed calculations.

Free energy IS impossible.
So what exactly is funny?
Please enlighten us.

Originally posted by Outlawstar
little do they know the very physics they base their assumptions on are very much flawed.

What "physics" do you subscribe to that is so different from the physics that rule the universe exactly?

You know what I find funny?
People with ZERO scientific knowledge who jump on every bandwagon "send us a donation" to make it work "our prototype isn't ready yet but we decided to announce it anyway" video that comes along.

What about "my" (rest of world) physics is "flawed" please help the world and point it out. Otherwise please keep the BS to a minimum. And if any of this free enrgy hoopla iwas ever real, answer me this.. why is it that all these "free energy" devices arent ever ready for prime time, can't be scaled up and can't be tested by anyone outside of the little circle that "developed" it and cannot be "explained".

This video not only has ecco propeganda.. but it has ERRORS in it.
Errors that you do not see because you choose not to see them.


"Take a look at my book...."

Thats all I needed to hear but I sat through three terribly produced fake energy presentations anyway.

Originally posted by Outlawstar
Damn I hope something comes of this.

But it probably wont..
It's so much more likley that a big bad oil company will kill everyone off then this being completely fake right? Thats the built in excuse you all seem to cling to.. Oil Companies hiring assasins to go around the world killing anyone who puts a n "easy to build" free energy engine.

Just a quick note from a fellow poster that needed to be reitterated:

Originally posted by rickyrrr
If this motor really returned energy it would not require three batteries....it would require no batteries at all.

I used to think ATS was for people who wanted to discern the truth.. now I realize it's just a collective repository for poaranoia and complete nonsense. Not saying thats a bad thing, it certainly is entertaining

You know something, youre right, I jumped the gun and made myself sound silly, I let things get the better of me sometimes.

However badly I put it my point was that yes, physics is flawed, of course it is, inevitably until we have a theory for everything, so therefot you cannot assert that "free energy" is impossible based on a "theory".]

And yes I know more than a thing or 2 about science, and I also know how science has been very much SUPPRESSED over the last century, by shall we say "big interest groups", groups who see no benefit to themselves in allowing the average Joe to detach from the power Grid and thus give up his reliance on them.

We can all argue until the cows come home and make all sorts of assumptions about what is or is not happening. We here do not know the exact circumstances of the demonstration therefore we are no position to say whether it is a fake or not. For those who believe rigidly in the "2008 book of physics" then please be quiet. If that book was complete then we would now the answer to all the questions and there wouldn't be any research projects or theories about "x". we would know what gravity is, we would know what dark energy is, we would know what happens inside a black hole, we would know if the higgs boson exists.........etc etc etc.

There is a vast amount of fundamental physics we just don't know and are still guessing. This being the case then nobody can honestly ever say that a device that taps into the vacuum is impossible.

However, there is always a very very simple test for any overunity device. Give the inventors twice as many batteries as they say they need to make it work. Half of those batteries are fully discharged. leave them in an empty room with nothing but their invention, x fully charged batteries and x fully discharged batteries. Now come back some time later and if there is x+1 fully charged batteries then their device works. It is totally irrelevant if the device "should" not work "according" to the "laws of physics". The fact in this case is that it does. Time to re-write the physics books and start manufacture.

I firmly believe that a solution to our energy problems will come from a country like, Brazil,India or China since they have no need to appease the US and the oil barons and desperately need an alternate to oil.

Some illustrations of the ideological determinants
inspired by the presented "vacuum engine" and the following discussion

1.
I saw an article about a "Green" transformer.
Now, it is not called "green" because it's painted green.
My best guess is - because it uses plant oil to run.
It tells me one thing - the oil industry people are impatient, they are not going to wait another 10 million years for plants to decompose in a natural manner and turn into naphtha (crude oil). They're going to do it themselves.
And that's quite ecological, isn't it?

2.
The same method is applied on the level of society (ideology, religion, science).
The deconstruction of life as a natural process is "overcome" by the idea of species, or more closely - "family" (tree).
EUGENICS is the big word here - continuation of existence by means of mental projections!
And that is an excuse for the "way of life" that is imposed on this poor planet...

3.
Present deconstruction of economy (read: drop in living standard) creates enormous quantity of free energy (mostly in form of frustration, anxiety, "negative" feelings, stress...) and this energy is used to boost the political/ideological system (apparently directed in favor of fascism or state socialism, totalitarianism - we all know what that means) with an excuse that is called (not surprisingly) political and economical "stabilization". Totalitarianism is a suicidal system, because it is an "isolated system" by definition, ruled by entropy.
This kind of activity opens a process of consumption of human beings as a fuel for a Grinding Machine - does anyone know what its purpose is apart from the obvious???
...Which brings us to the "established" physical (or metaphysical) laws like the Second law of thermodynamics (here, social science tells us that the isolated system is a "given" form of existence - the society):>>>

4.
From Wikipedia: "The second law of thermodynamics is an expression of the universal law of increasing entropy, stating that the entropy of an isolated system which is not in equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value at equilibrium."

This "law" is false. The idea of isolated system is flawed because there is no such thing which really "isolates" anything anywhere except in some people's minds. It is clearly an ideology with a perfectly understandable purpose: to distract everyone from the free energy which lies in abundance everywhere around the so called "isolated" system.

Who the hell isolated it in the first place, I ask!

To clarify the flaw, let's observe this ambivalent substratum:

...isolated system which is not in equilibrium...

This actually means that equilibrium is the state of entropy. It cannot be understood as a "dynamical equilibrium" because for that one to accomplish you need inflow (inexhaustible source) of energy which is by definition : outside of the isolated system - and that is (ox)moronical...

We've heard this before: The end justifies the means, that's what this "law" is about.

And so on, examples 5, 6........ n, ad infinitum (aporia = desolation)

Great post DD, this is the kind of thing I was hinting at in my previous point on Suppression on Science.

The only way to ensure it doesn't get buried despite threats to family, and they do carry out their threats, is to immediately patent it in AN OPEN SOURCE manner similar to linux so it belongs to the people. So no one can buy it out. Others would be able to adapt it in their own products but only if the blueprint was revealed so anyone could duplicate it for free. Keeping it secret and keeping a personal claim on it, is the way each and every one of them loses control of the situation when the buy out offers, threats and murders start.

Damn... another 'get my book first' type of scientists.
Bedini is the way to go. Im waiting for my magnets so I can build those things. And BTW, the COP is from the bedini motor (the second video shows a 18:1 motor) not the whatever device you use that power.

Scam.
Move along, go to your room.

Well one thing is for certain of something good that has come out of Brazil.


BRAZILIAN WOMEN!!!

Well, the good looking ones anyway!

Originally posted by mystiq
, is the way each and every one of them loses control of the situation when the buy out offers, threats and murders start.

Murders? Where do you guys get this stuff from?

Take a look at bedini, greer and bearden - they've been at this game for decades and none of them are dead. Not obviously anyway. Though bearden did claim that someone shot him with a particle beam weapon - something to do with the Japanese mafia and weather manipulation - I kid you not.

Originally posted by dooper
John Bedini has been doing this for years. In fact, his small motor will put out 12V @ 600 amps! Talk about energy from the vacuum!

Too many threats.

So he waits.

We cant release it because there are to many threats, to many threats. You know how many times ive heard this load of BS? You know what hes waiting for? hes waiting to find a few more suckers to milk.

Im sorry but in this day and age if you had a real working devise that could provide free energy to the world you could release full plans and have them on thousands of sites in a few hours for everyone out there and as soon as a few people verified the design worked it would go viral and be on every tube site ,blog, and alt news site around the world. You cant silence every one.

There is more incentive to kill someone before their invention is released so no one knows about it than after half the planet has copies of it. Im so tired of seeing these scamers post vids saying we have this amazing devise but we cant tell you how it works because we are getting death threats.

If they cant release the Tec your dealing with a con man or a hoax



[edit on 29-10-2008 by DesertWolf]

These things pop up all the time, some are fakes, or people misunderstanding what they are seeing cos of poor understanding of the physics involved. But, some do work. I noticed an earlier post referancing beardens MEG, well, I can tell you, that does work and I know this cos i have actually built one myself ( I just had to know ) but it dosent work for the reasons he says. It uses the flux lines of the permanent magnet in its center to do half the work, thereby facilitating a cop.
I have no doubt there are real vaccum energy devices out there, the description in this post that all motors posess these qualities is right on the money. Years ago, a guy named Gabriel Kron 'engineered out' these effects.

His research eliminated most of the UFT effects from common electric motors & generators, which is at least one reason we don't see them lifting off the blocks these days -- his efficiencies are built into their designs. I've thought that putting those inefficiencies back into the motors would be an excellent place to start, since what he considered "inefficient" was actually the result of the electrical-energy being used to bend time-space instead of producing torque

This whole field of study is down to weird effects of einsteins (incomplete) unified field theory (UFT) The reson you dont hear about it is not because it was incomplete (the post 1929 versions are complete enough for an engineering level blueprint for an actual device, which im shure the black projects people know, and love, by the way, a science that dosent exist and cant be figured out by quantum theory or relativity. This is how the ideas behind the nazi bell were formulated) no, the reason you dont hear about it is because if one of these devices hit the market, then people would have to know and start seriously researching the science behind it. UFT. An unfortunate off shoot of UFT is that it allows a weapon of such destructive force to be made it makes a thermonuclear weapon look like a firecracker! and you dont need controlled radioactive substances to make it. Terrorists wet dream, I dont know bout you guys but i think it should be kept under wraps for now, at least untill we can wipe all the terrorist scum out anyway.
UFT also proves a lnk between EM and gravity, so there is that as well to add to the equasion, in step the oil companies. The end result is there is two brick walls that will not allow this tech through and therefore no way of it gettin built.
They dont give a s**t about a few onsie twosies by private individuals, but when views of comersialisation start to manifest themselves, well, buy out or lights out