Brazilian Scientists Have Developed A Vacuum-Energy Motor

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maybe this is nothing to do with "magic" forces at all. we all know there is a DELAY between coil current application and magnetism build up to produce the first burst of rotation, then consequently the BACK EMF causes Retardation of motion and Heating of the coil. If a Switching circuit arranges to CUT OFF the feed just before Retardation occurs, and feeds that Reverse voltage into the second battery to charge it, then the whole process can be repeated to keep rotation in same direction. The "secret" lies in getting the Rotor OUT OF THE WAY of the first impulse BEFORE the BackEmf retards it; ready to plunge into Other side of the coil and receive its next pulse from th Other battery. Clever / sensible, but not "magic". the "rectifier" is being used just as a set of DIODES to separate the current flows to the 2 batteries. MarshalX [email protected]

*sigh* Another battery powered "free-energy" device - that's about the 5th one of this type I've seen this year.

These battery charging battery charging battery scams are the scientific equivalent of the 3 cup trick.

Where's the energy now? Battery 1? Battery 2? Keep an eye on it!

Anyone seen Bedini or Bearden demonstrate their off-the-grid houses or cars that run for ever? No? These guys have been at this for decades yet they drive around in petrol driven cars and get their electricity from the power grid, like the rest of us.

Please don't cry "suppression!" and then post another 4000 youtube videos without any sense of irony.

Bearden patented his MEG, which means anyone can get the full instructions for building one - what's stopping you? Even better, send these Brazilians some cash and help save the world. Or help them buy a Lexus at the very least.

Originally posted by skeptic_al
reply to post by GoldenAge

 

The only thing to ever come out of Brazil are scams.....


WOW, finally something is for real. I think NOT.

Err i beg to differ there.

Not all things that come out of Brazil are scams.

A family memberof mine whom was only given months to live with Cancer, opted for a try at alternative medecine in Barazil, rather than stay at home & go for the "Government approved cure", futile attempt with Chemo'.

4 Years later, not a sign of any cancer anywhere in her body.

Brazil has its moments..

Originally posted by GoldenAge

Originally posted by rickyrrr
Well, conventional batteries are built to store or return electrical energy, either by pushing a current against its voltage (much like pushing against a spring) or allowing the battery's own voltage to push against some other load. How come these guys found a new kind of energy that batteries not previously designed to handle are now seemingly capable of transforming?

It would then appear that their vacuum energy converting batteries are the secret magic ingredient in their system wouldn't you think?

-rrr

rickyrrr, you have been raising a lot of excellent and important questions and I appreciate that. But it is a bit frustrating because Bearden and Bedini have already explained all of these things, much better than I ever could, since I am not mechanically-inclined myself. I strongly encourage you to watch EFTV 1 and 2, all of your questions and issues are addressed in those videos I assure you!

You said it yourself - these guys have found a "new" type of energy, that works differently than "normal" electricity and requires different designs and circuits. As Phage said, it is non-entropic. But as far as I know, the batteries are nothing special - any standard battery will do.

I am willing to have another look at EFTV 1 and 2... (I assume those are videos???)

Last time I saw a demonstration of a bedini motor, I was disappointed to see that the way they measure output power is by dimly powering a 60 Watt lightbulb and claiming that therefore those must be 60 watts.

I saw another bedini motor demonstration in which one battery is used to recharge another battery, and it is assumed but not proven that the charge attained is complete (the don't repeat the experiment 10 times and chart the run times of the motor for each time)

Remember that just because a light bulb is rated at 60 watts that does not necessarily mean it is consuming 60 watts at any given time, it depends on the voltage applied to the lightbulb (and as a result the current consumed)

I think that it is past due that somebody comes up with a definitive *test* that a prospective free energy device can be submitted, much like the "Turing" test would determine that a computer is intelligent enough to fool a person reading its output into thinking it is another person.

A test so memorable that not only the engineers recognize it, but the layman knows to demand, and that inventors of these devices are ready to demonstrate.

A test where the device is
1. enclosed in a Faraday cage
2. device weight is disclosed and measured
3. device output power is disclosed and measured by simultaneously measuring output current and voltage
4. The device is operated continuously for enough time that its achieved output energy is greater than the energy contained in an equivalent (by weight) amount of say, gasoline, converted to electricity at 30% efficiency... in other words, let's make sure they are not just running a very lightweight generator.

I am an exceedingly intelligent person. And I don't just say this, I have constructed from scratch battery chargers, DC-DC converters, microphone preamplifiers, devices with serial data interfaces on them, devices that process accelerometer data, I have built infrared remote controls from scratch, and I drive around town on an electric bicycle that I built. And I can equally rebuild my car's suspension, refinish a kitchen table and even have done my car's alignment just using regular tools (no laser, just measuring tape)

So, I can read instructions and even physics papers and get a little bit out of understanding them. But I have never been able to read an explanation for a free energy device and managed to understand it. it's as if suddenly I am very stupid, or maybe the way that those things are explained is just circular and convoluted, so that the reader looses interest and simply concludes they must know what they're talking about.

For example: let's break down the following sentences:

"The flaws are obvious and present a picture of dynamic 'controls' upon the populations of planet Earth. Energy is ubiquitous and free for the 'extraction.' All that is needed are the right tools and the right delivery. This can be accomplished immediately, but what is necessary is the will to do so, and a clear understanding of the MODEL presented. Tesla's 'wheelworks of nature' are still 'moving' waiting patiently for us to harness them. He showed us how to accomplish this a long time ago. We need to correct our flawed 'models,' so that we may properly 'view' this basic reality of 'natures laws.' Then we may truly be free to further ourselves and save our planet and its indigenous population."

That is from www.zpenergy.com...

As you can see, it is a very difficult read. but I will summarize it here for you:


"The flaws are obvious and present a picture of dynamic 'controls' upon the populations of planet Earth."
Translation: we had flaws in our understanding. Somehow the population of earth are involved in how this machine works...

"Energy is ubiquitous and free for the 'extraction.' All that is needed are the right tools and the right delivery. All that is needed are the right tools and the right delivery."
Translation: Three statements that are undeniably true but contains no new information. In other words get the reader in an agreeable state of mind.

"This can be accomplished immediately, but what is necessary is the will to do so, and a clear understanding of the MODEL presented."

Translation: Extracting energy is possible if we want to: another undeniably obviously true statement.... the next part of the sentence puts perconditions on energy extration: A clear understanding, something that you are guaranteed to NEVER get from reading this style of writing.

If anyone can take any given paragraph from that webpage and summarize it to a single meaningful set of concepts, I would be very appreciative.

-rrr

Originally posted by Outlawstar
Its amazing, its so funny when the people come along and say that free energy is impossible.......

This is the kind of post that makes the internet dumb...

people come to places like this, read the comments and assume the guy on the other end who posted such a brush off "I know more than you" statement is credible and then believe somehow the rest of the scientific world got it wrong.

How many people on ATS have no clue how energy works, what the second law of thermodynamics is or even how a basic motor works and yet they come away thinking:

1. This video shows free energy working.
2. Free energy exists
3. The Big Oil Companies kill people

There is nothing out there that has ever proven the existence of free energy. Nothing. No amount of screaming "Oil Company, Oil Company" will change that.


So I ask...what exactly is "funny"?

Free energy is still UNPROVEN, a video means nothing. Especially a video with three batteries and some flawed calculations.

Free energy IS impossible.
So what exactly is funny?
Please enlighten us.

Originally posted by Outlawstar
little do they know the very physics they base their assumptions on are very much flawed.

What "physics" do you subscribe to that is so different from the physics that rule the universe exactly?

You know what I find funny?
People with ZERO scientific knowledge who jump on every bandwagon "send us a donation" to make it work "our prototype isn't ready yet but we decided to announce it anyway" video that comes along.

What about "my" (rest of world) physics is "flawed" please help the world and point it out. Otherwise please keep the BS to a minimum. And if any of this free enrgy hoopla iwas ever real, answer me this.. why is it that all these "free energy" devices arent ever ready for prime time, can't be scaled up and can't be tested by anyone outside of the little circle that "developed" it and cannot be "explained".

This video not only has ecco propeganda.. but it has ERRORS in it.
Errors that you do not see because you choose not to see them.


"Take a look at my book...."

Thats all I needed to hear but I sat through three terribly produced fake energy presentations anyway.

Originally posted by Outlawstar
Damn I hope something comes of this.

But it probably wont..
It's so much more likley that a big bad oil company will kill everyone off then this being completely fake right? Thats the built in excuse you all seem to cling to.. Oil Companies hiring assasins to go around the world killing anyone who puts a n "easy to build" free energy engine.

Just a quick note from a fellow poster that needed to be reitterated:

Originally posted by rickyrrr
If this motor really returned energy it would not require three batteries....it would require no batteries at all.

I used to think ATS was for people who wanted to discern the truth.. now I realize it's just a collective repository for poaranoia and complete nonsense. Not saying thats a bad thing, it certainly is entertaining

You know something, youre right, I jumped the gun and made myself sound silly, I let things get the better of me sometimes.

However badly I put it my point was that yes, physics is flawed, of course it is, inevitably until we have a theory for everything, so therefot you cannot assert that "free energy" is impossible based on a "theory".]

And yes I know more than a thing or 2 about science, and I also know how science has been very much SUPPRESSED over the last century, by shall we say "big interest groups", groups who see no benefit to themselves in allowing the average Joe to detach from the power Grid and thus give up his reliance on them.

We can all argue until the cows come home and make all sorts of assumptions about what is or is not happening. We here do not know the exact circumstances of the demonstration therefore we are no position to say whether it is a fake or not. For those who believe rigidly in the "2008 book of physics" then please be quiet. If that book was complete then we would now the answer to all the questions and there wouldn't be any research projects or theories about "x". we would know what gravity is, we would know what dark energy is, we would know what happens inside a black hole, we would know if the higgs boson exists.........etc etc etc.

There is a vast amount of fundamental physics we just don't know and are still guessing. This being the case then nobody can honestly ever say that a device that taps into the vacuum is impossible.

However, there is always a very very simple test for any overunity device. Give the inventors twice as many batteries as they say they need to make it work. Half of those batteries are fully discharged. leave them in an empty room with nothing but their invention, x fully charged batteries and x fully discharged batteries. Now come back some time later and if there is x+1 fully charged batteries then their device works. It is totally irrelevant if the device "should" not work "according" to the "laws of physics". The fact in this case is that it does. Time to re-write the physics books and start manufacture.

I firmly believe that a solution to our energy problems will come from a country like, Brazil,India or China since they have no need to appease the US and the oil barons and desperately need an alternate to oil.

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I would not go as far as to say that it is impossible. I would say that it is definitely not possible by all means that I know of. For all intents and purposes nuclear energy is darn close to the definition of free energy, and so is solar and wind.

But granted, any combination of potential fields, springs and reversible chemicals is not going to make free energy. but using something else that I've never heard off... maybe ... I am willing to give it a look. But thus far I have not seen it.

-rrr

Some illustrations of the ideological determinants
inspired by the presented "vacuum engine" and the following discussion

1.
I saw an article about a "Green" transformer.
Now, it is not called "green" because it's painted green.
My best guess is - because it uses plant oil to run.
It tells me one thing - the oil industry people are impatient, they are not going to wait another 10 million years for plants to decompose in a natural manner and turn into naphtha (crude oil). They're going to do it themselves.
And that's quite ecological, isn't it?

2.
The same method is applied on the level of society (ideology, religion, science).
The deconstruction of life as a natural process is "overcome" by the idea of species, or more closely - "family" (tree).
EUGENICS is the big word here - continuation of existence by means of mental projections!
And that is an excuse for the "way of life" that is imposed on this poor planet...

3.
Present deconstruction of economy (read: drop in living standard) creates enormous quantity of free energy (mostly in form of frustration, anxiety, "negative" feelings, stress...) and this energy is used to boost the political/ideological system (apparently directed in favor of fascism or state socialism, totalitarianism - we all know what that means) with an excuse that is called (not surprisingly) political and economical "stabilization". Totalitarianism is a suicidal system, because it is an "isolated system" by definition, ruled by entropy.
This kind of activity opens a process of consumption of human beings as a fuel for a Grinding Machine - does anyone know what its purpose is apart from the obvious???
...Which brings us to the "established" physical (or metaphysical) laws like the Second law of thermodynamics (here, social science tells us that the isolated system is a "given" form of existence - the society):>>>

4.
From Wikipedia: "The second law of thermodynamics is an expression of the universal law of increasing entropy, stating that the entropy of an isolated system which is not in equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value at equilibrium."

This "law" is false. The idea of isolated system is flawed because there is no such thing which really "isolates" anything anywhere except in some people's minds. It is clearly an ideology with a perfectly understandable purpose: to distract everyone from the free energy which lies in abundance everywhere around the so called "isolated" system.

Who the hell isolated it in the first place, I ask!

To clarify the flaw, let's observe this ambivalent substratum:

...isolated system which is not in equilibrium...

This actually means that equilibrium is the state of entropy. It cannot be understood as a "dynamical equilibrium" because for that one to accomplish you need inflow (inexhaustible source) of energy which is by definition : outside of the isolated system - and that is (ox)moronical...

We've heard this before: The end justifies the means, that's what this "law" is about.

And so on, examples 5, 6........ n, ad infinitum (aporia = desolation)

Great post DD, this is the kind of thing I was hinting at in my previous point on Suppression on Science.

The only way to ensure it doesn't get buried despite threats to family, and they do carry out their threats, is to immediately patent it in AN OPEN SOURCE manner similar to linux so it belongs to the people. So no one can buy it out. Others would be able to adapt it in their own products but only if the blueprint was revealed so anyone could duplicate it for free. Keeping it secret and keeping a personal claim on it, is the way each and every one of them loses control of the situation when the buy out offers, threats and murders start.

Damn... another 'get my book first' type of scientists.
Bedini is the way to go. Im waiting for my magnets so I can build those things. And BTW, the COP is from the bedini motor (the second video shows a 18:1 motor) not the whatever device you use that power.

Scam.
Move along, go to your room.

Well one thing is for certain of something good that has come out of Brazil.


BRAZILIAN WOMEN!!!

Well, the good looking ones anyway!

Originally posted by mystiq
, is the way each and every one of them loses control of the situation when the buy out offers, threats and murders start.

Murders? Where do you guys get this stuff from?

Take a look at bedini, greer and bearden - they've been at this game for decades and none of them are dead. Not obviously anyway. Though bearden did claim that someone shot him with a particle beam weapon - something to do with the Japanese mafia and weather manipulation - I kid you not.

Originally posted by dooper
John Bedini has been doing this for years. In fact, his small motor will put out 12V @ 600 amps! Talk about energy from the vacuum!

Too many threats.

So he waits.

We cant release it because there are to many threats, to many threats. You know how many times ive heard this load of BS? You know what hes waiting for? hes waiting to find a few more suckers to milk.

Im sorry but in this day and age if you had a real working devise that could provide free energy to the world you could release full plans and have them on thousands of sites in a few hours for everyone out there and as soon as a few people verified the design worked it would go viral and be on every tube site ,blog, and alt news site around the world. You cant silence every one.

There is more incentive to kill someone before their invention is released so no one knows about it than after half the planet has copies of it. Im so tired of seeing these scamers post vids saying we have this amazing devise but we cant tell you how it works because we are getting death threats.

If they cant release the Tec your dealing with a con man or a hoax



[edit on 29-10-2008 by DesertWolf]

Originally posted by skeptic_al
reply to post by GoldenAge

 

The only thing to ever come out of Brazil are scams.....


WOW, finally something is for real. I think NOT.

Sadly i have to agree, just from personal experience. Anytime i see anything that is from Brazil i wright it off as a scam. How sad that i am to come to that conclusion not on biased racism but statistical fact from my own experiences.

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In fact, it would require no batteries at all.

I have quite a few scalar electronics books by Tom Bearden, He explains that to capture scalar energy you need to first set up a bi-pole. Without a battery or at least a capacitor this would not be possible.

So do you think it is just coincidence that you have seen these type of videos other places?

There are quite a few machines developed with this technology and I will mention a few that I know.

Nicola Tesla created the wardenclyffe tower which was never implemented thanks to JP Morgan. In the book The Problem of Increasing Human Energy he said 'it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature'.

Henry Moray created his detector tube which he said 'taps energy from empty space' in his book The Sea of Energy in Which the Earth Floats. He was inspired by Tesla. Moray also could not get any funding for his device.

Edwin Gray created his Conversion Switching Tube which he used to make what he called 'cold electricity'. His shop was raided by the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office and they never returned his prototypes. He also has three patents which can be seen here www.free-energy.ws...

Paul Baumann created the Testatika Generator which is used to power the town of Linden Switzerland. A major component of the device is the two 'cans' which no one knows what is inside. Here are some pictures energy21.freeservers.com...

These four examples have quite a few similarities that are hard to ignore. Especially if one is to think that all of this is some crack pot story... First of all the basic schematics for these machines are fundamentally the same. They use high voltage, high frequency, and a tube or collector of some sort, a capacitor, and spark gap. I have looked at these for a wile and I think that a combination of these devices would be best. For instance, Grays device puts out a lot of power, but it needs to drain to ground. The Swiss device doesn't need to drain to ground but it fluctuates with humidity and has moving parts. With enough time and money I am convinced anyone could create a device based off of these for, not to mention all the others. The only problem I have with the Keppe Motor is that it doesn't seem to put out a lot of power, compared to other designs. It might be good in low power mobile systems, even though it is quite big.

If anyone wants to research more about scalar free energy systems I suggest watching lectures by Peter Lindemann, and reading his book The Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity.
video.google.com...:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv&oi=property_s uggestions&resnum=0&ct=property-revision&cd=1#

Good luck to everyone in developing free energy!!

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You are basing your dismissal on classical physics, and specifically EM theory which has been proven incorrect in physics, but not addressed in EM theory.

You say this should be tested, and let the results speak for themselves. Bedini brought over one of the top German forensic electronic laboratories to fully test his process, and then simply sign off on the numbers. Whatever they found, they would simply document and sign.

The Germans, good Germans, refused to believe their own numbers. They refused to believe their own fine German meters. They refused to believe what they were witnessing. You see, they just thought that they knew where a source charge comes from. They also mistakenly thought you could "trace" this source charge with their meters.

What blew their minds was the actual manifestation of this radiant energy.

On the source end (everything is 12V for simplicity) mere milliamps are sent through a small wire to the target battery bank. Now they can't pick up any power surge or transfer through this small wire, yet at the target battery bank, the batteries are "absorbing" 12 volts at 400 amps!

This inability to track the source of the power is what confused them. That's because classical EM theory doesn't allow for such a thing! After all, how can you input X and without any visible means of tracking, get 12,000X out?

They were so angry that they packed up and left, refusing to sign off on their own tests. Their reason? "You have ghosts in your batteries. We would be the laughing stock of the scientific community if we released these test results."

So much for scientific inquiry. So much for scientific proof. So much for scientific method. So much for scientific openness.

Our scientists and engineers have learned by rote and repeat the same. It's too bad. If tomorrow a national initiative were established where new discoveries were placed before a panel of engineers, physicists, and even common, everyday people, where only results counted, and theory was discarded, our energy shortage would be over. This is already out there.

Rather, the DOE keeps giving the same wheels another spin each year. Solar, biomass, coal, petroleum, etc.

There is no energy shortage.

The only shortage we have is an intellectual shortage.

These things pop up all the time, some are fakes, or people misunderstanding what they are seeing cos of poor understanding of the physics involved. But, some do work. I noticed an earlier post referancing beardens MEG, well, I can tell you, that does work and I know this cos i have actually built one myself ( I just had to know ) but it dosent work for the reasons he says. It uses the flux lines of the permanent magnet in its center to do half the work, thereby facilitating a cop.
I have no doubt there are real vaccum energy devices out there, the description in this post that all motors posess these qualities is right on the money. Years ago, a guy named Gabriel Kron 'engineered out' these effects.

His research eliminated most of the UFT effects from common electric motors & generators, which is at least one reason we don't see them lifting off the blocks these days -- his efficiencies are built into their designs. I've thought that putting those inefficiencies back into the motors would be an excellent place to start, since what he considered "inefficient" was actually the result of the electrical-energy being used to bend time-space instead of producing torque

This whole field of study is down to weird effects of einsteins (incomplete) unified field theory (UFT) The reson you dont hear about it is not because it was incomplete (the post 1929 versions are complete enough for an engineering level blueprint for an actual device, which im shure the black projects people know, and love, by the way, a science that dosent exist and cant be figured out by quantum theory or relativity. This is how the ideas behind the nazi bell were formulated) no, the reason you dont hear about it is because if one of these devices hit the market, then people would have to know and start seriously researching the science behind it. UFT. An unfortunate off shoot of UFT is that it allows a weapon of such destructive force to be made it makes a thermonuclear weapon look like a firecracker! and you dont need controlled radioactive substances to make it. Terrorists wet dream, I dont know bout you guys but i think it should be kept under wraps for now, at least untill we can wipe all the terrorist scum out anyway.
UFT also proves a lnk between EM and gravity, so there is that as well to add to the equasion, in step the oil companies. The end result is there is two brick walls that will not allow this tech through and therefore no way of it gettin built.
They dont give a s**t about a few onsie twosies by private individuals, but when views of comersialisation start to manifest themselves, well, buy out or lights out

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About 40 years ago, when I was a wee lad, I asked my pop, who was a chemistry AND physics major, about a perpetual motion machine I had heard about. He gave me that half smile that told me I still had much to learn, and he said - "There is no such thing as a free lunch!". It is the one truth that I have learned is inviolate. In all manner of activities...