Originally posted by Pilgrum
There *could* have been things exploding in there

That's all I wanted you to state, Pilgrum. Thanks.

You admit that there could have been explosions inside the towers.

It doesn't matter how round-about you think that my proof was, it was able to show that explosions could have occured inside the towers.

QED.

Four tons is 8000 thousand pounds.
Equal to the weight of two very lagre cars.

Deflection from a gravity induced motion, (straight towards the center of the earth), will not impart a vector of velocity to that mass for it to travel 600 feet.

That mass could not ricochet off of anything to cause its motion to be an approximate angel of travel of 45 degrees.

Look at any or all of the videos of the collapse of WTC1 and WTC2.

The massive panels are following the path of travel upward and in a parabolic curve.

Gravity alone can not cause objects to begin travelling away from the center of the earth, in a trajectory.

The clouds of micron size particles and massive side panels create a parabolic path and this can not be explained by gravity.

There is a quality of trajectory in the collapse, disintegration is a better word, and the trajectory is parabolic.

SPreston, do you honestly think that reposting the same things over and over is going to suddenly get people to change their minds?

Originally posted by scotty18
SPreston, do you honestly think that reposting the same things over and over is going to suddenly get people to change their minds?

Am I the only person who does that? No? It is ok when pseudoskeptics and dee-bunkers and shills like jthomas do it?

You are right. Closed-minded people who can never dare to believe what their founding fathers warned them; can never possibly believe that their own government is potentially the worst possible enemy they may ever have on the earth; which may even murder their own families or abandon their sons and daughters as cannon fodder in greedy no-win wars. But at least they have their boob tubes for tranquilizers.

"Government is not reason. It is not eloquence. It is a force, like fire: a dangerous servant and a terrible master".
~ George Washington p1789-1797

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
~Thomas Jefferson p1801-1809

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
~James Madison p1809-1817

Originally posted by SPreston
Closed-minded people who can never dare to believe what their founding fathers *SNIP*

So those of us who see through your Government hating rhetoric are the "closed-minded" ones? Why, because we don't agree with you? Remember this isn't the LCF, you *will* get called on your cartoon posting rants here. There is no skeptics forum to be banned to if people disagree with you here, and I know that must be a hard adjustment to make.

Are you trying to infer that you are in any way open minded?

Really?

Originally posted by SPreston
It is not possible that the hood ornament and hood would not have been damaged and scratched. Such a ridiculous script. Who wrote this nonsense? Dubya? Is that why you were hiding out in Florida behind small children? You were there on 9-10-2001. Did you do this?

Bolding mine, for increased "closed-minded" effect.

Originally posted by SPreston
since YOUR aircraft left NO JET FUEL on the road or on the lawn or in the Pentagon, then your argument is moot. Correct?

Uh..unhhhh. Can't do that. Not possible. Don't go there.

Originally posted by SPreston
Therefore in summation; it has been conclusively PROVEN that the Lloyde England light pole script is TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE. It could not have happened as scripted.

closed-mind·ed


adjective
Definition:

closed to new ideas or opinions: rigidly and obstinately averse to the consideration of new ideas or other people's arguments

You're better off sparing us of your judgments and humble yourself by not being such a hypocrite.

Fluid motion?
Landslide characteristics?
Ok what turned the steel and concrete into fluid in midair?

I am talking about steel and concrete.

Material in a landslide has a different coefficient of static tension than steel and concrete.

The fountain appearance of the debris/dust/massive panels is impossible in a gravity induced collapse.

The trajectory of the debris is a parabolic path.

The only trajectory gravity induces on mass is a straight line from its center of gravity to the center of the earth.

What force is inparting the initial upwards velocity away from the center of the earth and outwards from the center of gravity of the buildings?

Originally posted by SPreston

Originally posted by scotty18
SPreston, do you honestly think that reposting the same things over and over is going to suddenly get people to change their minds?

Am I the only person who does that? No? It is ok when pseudoskeptics and dee-bunkers and shills like jthomas do it?

You are right. Closed-minded people who can never dare to believe what their founding fathers warned them; can never possibly believe that their own government is potentially the worst possible enemy they may ever have on the earth; which may even murder their own families or abandon their sons and daughters as cannon fodder in greedy no-win wars. But at least they have their boob tubes for tranquilizers.

"Government is not reason. It is not eloquence. It is a force, like fire: a dangerous servant and a terrible master".
~ George Washington p1789-1797

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
~Thomas Jefferson p1801-1809

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
~James Madison p1809-1817

Si I ask a simple question about you reposting the same thing over and over as if it somehow proves what you are saying and THIS is your response...to say "but he did it" and then throw insults? I think this speaks volumes more about you then your pitiful debating skills.

The massive wall panels are in a parabolic trajectory, which means that there is a massive force pushing up, and outward, from below. This trajectory is evident along to entire height of both buildings. Therefore there are probably extremely energetic explosives placed at thirty foot intervals and each 30 foot section from top downward is imploded just ahead of the gravity velocity of the debris field coming down behind it. The existence of a parabolic trajectory is the telltale sign. Plus the energy involved is disintegrating the concrete in mid air.

To compare this to a landslide is luducrous at best and patently disingenuous at worst.

Yes the wall panels fall outwards but the floor panels pancake on each other starting from high in the building these floor panels compress air between them.

As more and more floor panel fall and the speed increases this air is driven outward at higher pressures this air goes outward on a horizontal plane.

This air hitting the falling wall panels pushes them further outwards.

You can test this with two simple tests first take some plastic cups and put them in a 2 foot ring on the floor.
Then take a large heavy book and drop it from 5 foot flat on the floor.
as the book hits the floor the air compressed between the book and the floor will blow the cups outward.

The second test is to take a deck of cards and drop them edge wise on the floor from 5 foot the cards do not fall straight each card acts like a wing and and travels away from a straight fall


Add these two affects together where you have flat surfaces (the wall panels falling) and the floor panels compressing air outwards and this is capable of pushing large well panel and other debris outward far beyond where in would normally have fallen.





[edit on 4-11-2008 by ANNED]

posted by ANNED
Yes the wall panels fall outwards but the floor panels pancake on each other starting from high in the building these floor panels compress air between them.

As more and more floor panel fall and the speed increases this air is driven outward at higher pressures this air goes outward on a horizontal plane.

This air hitting the falling wall panels pushes them further outwards.

You can test this with two simple tests first take some plastic cups and put them in a 2 foot ring on the floor.
Then take a large heavy book and drop it from 5 foot flat on the floor.
as the book hits the floor the air compressed between the book and the floor will blow the cups outward.

The second test is to take a deck of cards and drop them edge wise on the floor from 5 foot the cards do not fall straight each card acts like a wing and and travels away from a straight fall


Add these two affects together where you have flat surfaces (the wall panels falling) and the floor panels compressing air outwards and this is capable of pushing large well panel and other debris outward far beyond where in would normally have fallen.

That's ridiculous. These are not plastic cups or plastic cards. They have relatively small surfaces for the air to push on and weigh 8000 pounds. In the video these heavy objects are pushed UPWARDS and outwards; 600 feet outwards.






[edit on 11/4/08 by SPreston]

The poor poor 'bedchamber servants' in this tread.

I'm sure they're totally ignorant of what is really going on around them -
or how other more sane and aware people actually view them as!



".......
The emperor walked in the procession under his crimson canopy.
And all the people of the town, who had lined the streets or were
looking down from the windows, said that the emperor's clothes
were beautiful. "What a magnificent robe! And the train! How well
the emperor's clothes suit him!"
None of them were willing to admit that they hadn't seen a thing;
for if anyone did, then he was either stupid or unfit for the job he
held. Never before had the emperor's clothes been such a
success.
"but he doesn't have anything on!" cried the little child.
"Listen to the innocent one," said the proud father. And the people
whispered among each other and repeated what the child had said.
"He has nothing on!" shouted all the people at last.
The emperor shivered, for he was certain that they were right; but
he thought, "I must bear it until the procession is over." And he
walked even more proudly, and the two gentlemen of the imperial
bedchamber went on carrying the train that wasn't there."

posted by djeminy
The poor poor 'bedchamber servants' in this tread.

I'm sure they're totally ignorant of what is really going on around them -
or how other more sane and aware people actually view them as!

Trapped in their fanatical government is god and therefore cannot do wrong against us belief system, they will vehemently defend the naked emperor marching down the road to their last dying breath.

posted by fmcanarney
One thing I expressly caution you though if you use bricks is for you to wear steel toed boots, as there is inherently more possibility in your case that the bricks if they hit your foot will hurt more than the cups or cards.

I think using the original 8000 pound exterior wall sections would ensure a much more accurate test . . . . and yes, by all means wear steel toed boots . . . . . and a hard hat, as these structural steel workers exhibit.