reply to post by tezzajw
So in other words, you want to completely ignore the eyewitness accounts of people that were there that could give a decent idea of what happened,
(having multiple witnesses on multiple floors extending from the highest floors down the sublevels that witnessed first hand, jet fuel and the
fireballs AND the power of the fireballs,as they raced down from the impact) and yet you focus on ONE unreliable witness (Willie R.) as enough
testimonial proof of "explosives" in the basement? Tezz, I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
But I can see that even with eyewitness accounts from people that were there seeing it all before their eyes, it is still not enough for you to deduce
the causes of those "explosions". Can I ask you a question? Are you still hung up on the belief that explosions can only occur with explosive
devices? If so, maybe you can provide us examples of explosives that explode, but only burn people and melt them, and do not rip them apart as
explosives usually do.
I am curious if you ever put any of the "truther" ideas through such rigorous nitpicking and such? You believe explosives were all planted and
detonated in the WTCs even though there is no shred of evidence of any of this, and when reading the accounts from INSIDE the WTCs, they seem to
suggest the impact and fireballs from the fuel as the causes of what you think as explosives caused.
How about this account from a firefighter? Would this be able to give you an idea of just how much jet fuel spilled down the elevator shafts? Or is
this also unacceptable since all you care about is the amount of jet fuel in the actual amount? I have to question your ability to use critical
thinking and logic and common sense here. But before all that, here is the quote:
Firefighter Timothy Brown - South Tower: "We finally set up -- prior to this I believe it was the west side of the core of the building there were
elevators. Someone had come to me and said that there were people trapped in one of those elevators. So I ran around the corner, and the hoist way
doors were open, but the elevator car was only showing about two feet at the top of the door. You could see all the legs of the people that were in
the elevator. I would guess there were about eight people in the elevator. The elevator pit was on fire with the jet fuel. People were screaming in
the elevator. They were getting smoked and cooked. There weren't a lot of firemen there at the time. I grabbed some of the Port Authority employees
and asked them where the fire extinguishers were and told them to get as many fire extinguishers as they could so we could try and fight this fire. As
they were doing that, firemen started showing up, and I started asking them to get big cans, let's try to put this fire out." -
So even this graphic account is not enough? Jet fuel in the elevator pit burning? At the ground floor? So using some critical thinking this must mean
that there had to have been a substantial amount of fuel that managed to find its way all the way down the shaft. But you of course refuse all logic
and demand the impossible while at the same time accepting other ideas that are even more dubious and unrealistic.
Here is one more account from one person INSIDE an elevator:
Passenger elevator No. 13. South tower, 78th floor. 9:02 a.m. Alan Mann, 35, an executive vice president at Aon Corp., an insurance company, squeezed
into an express elevator packed with 25 people evacuating the south tower. He was the last person in. The doors closed. The elevator descended
normally for the first seconds of a ride to the ground floor that should have lasted 60 seconds. Then United Airlines Flight 175 crashed into the
south tower, tearing through the elevator machine room on the 81st floor. That cut most cables to the express elevators. Elevator No. 13 began a free
fall from 900 feet above ground.
"Get on your knees!" somebody screamed. Everybody knelt. People prayed aloud. The elevator fell, banging against the sides of the shaft. As the
plunging car neared the ground, the emergency brake grabbed onto the thinnest of nine elevator cables — the only one remaining — and the elevator
jerked to a stop.
Mann found himself trapped in a corner of the elevator, lying on top of someone. Debris and dust filled his mouth. Other passengers screamed and
moaned. He heard other elevators crashing nearby.
It was dark. A man unpacked his laptop computer and turned it on for light. Injured people begged others not to move because it caused them pain. He
could see two Aon colleagues, Alan Friedlander and Donna Giordano.
"Alan, I'm hurt," Giordano sobbed.
"Donna, don't worry, we're going to get out of this thing," Mann said.
Then, somebody yelled, "Oh my God, fire!" Burning jet fuel shot flames into the car, burning Mann's neck. He gasped for breath.
tezz, there are SO many reports of fireballs coming DOWN from the impact site in the seconds after the impacts, from people there and yet, i dont see
any of having fireballs coming UP from the basement. Or am I to assume these are the magic explosives that can explode below you and then send a
fireball that goes DOWN as if from above you and in front of you?
I even have Arturo Griffith's original account which has been also chopped up, edited, and changed by the so called "truth" sites.
'I don't know who saved me. It was so black and smoky. I couldn't see nothin',' Arturo said. 'When they got me out, I told them there was
someone else down there, a woman. They went back to get her. Seconds after they pulled her out, a ball of fire came down the shaft. They almost got
Great balls of fire traveling down elevator shafts!
Unless you can convince me that they had small little explosives all rigged and set all the way down every shaft to go off in perfect sequence to
imitate a fireball traveling down the shaft! OR are you going for small fuel air bombs preplanted in every shaft?
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