How should we help the lower income people?

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posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 09:22 AM
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That is the first thing that came to my mind, thank you.

As our economy keep falling more and more, this will not longer be a question of How to help the lower income people but rather how we will be helping ourselves and those in needs as we all will be in the same situation very soon.

This nation is dividing more and more its economic classes, as unemployment is hitting a big portion of the nations working class and people are becoming homeless everyday, people that use to help with tax payer the services that the government offers, meanwhile the wealth class that controls the government will careless how the other side is surviving as long as they have the government backing them up with whatever tax payer money is out to be handle.

What many are forgetting is, that as the working class keeps falling in the nation so the money to pay the many non profitable services and government services will start to dry out.

It will be up to us personal individual choices to share the littler things we have vs allowing our fellow neighbors die in need.

Our nations situation will pretty much escalate into a humanitarian crisis if our economy end up collapsing completely.



[edit on 28-10-2008 by marg6043]




posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 09:37 AM
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Those who have wealth are not the enemy of the poor. For most wealthy people, it took hard work and effort to get what they have. The best way to help poor people is through education. But not the anti-free market socialist kind that keeps people down, but the kind that teaches you can be anything you want, do anything you want, and earn as much as you want.

When you just take from those who have and give to those who don't, you do two things that kill a society. First you cause the people who have to give up earning. Secondly, you deprive the poor from any desire to do anything for themselves.

I was poor once. I had nothing and no one to help me. Then one day I saw an oppurtunity to earn some money by self employment. In ten years I went from a person with nothing and being evicted from apartments time and again, having no transportation, and no income, and depending on food stamps to eat, to owning a 350,000 dollar home, two cars, money in the credit union (forget a bank), and earning over 150K a year.

Now, because I have things, I give some of my time and effort to giving others a vision to be all they can with what they have. I helped other people with nothing be successful business people in self employment and business. This is what those who have should do for those who don't. That's the American way.

Giving a handout never helped the poor. Teaching them to help themselves and be confident in themselves shows them the way up and out.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 09:40 AM
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My mother raised 4 children and never worked a day in her life, she never needed to work because there were government programs that she could utilize to cover the expenses of raising 4 children.

The question isn't what should we do but how can we help others help themselves. These program only create a dependency on the government and these social programs. Thus creating an even larger strain on the middle class person to pay for these generally lazy people to do nothing.

I grew up in Mississippi which is one of the most poverty stricken states in the union. I was raised on tax payer dollars to feed, clothe, and provide medical benefits for me. I am not proud of where I come from.

At one point I have actually held 3 jobs, just so that I do not have to return to where I came from. The idea of given to people who are more than capable of providing for themselves pisses me off to no end.

GO TO WORK. BE PROUD OF MAKING A LIVING FOR YOUR SELF.

For someone that doesn't hold a job working at a fast food business or working at a shopping center is just a start. People feel those jobs are beneath them. It isn't that they can't work, they don't want to work.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 09:53 AM
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To add to my last post... Some good advice..

Do you want to be successful or do you want to stay down and out? You ask, what do I do?

Everyone has a talent. An ability to do something they are good at. In a free economic society there is this approach. Wealth, incredible wealth is out there among those who have it. The idea is, how do I get it from their hands to mine, and what is my vision. Look around you. You see people doing things for people for money all the time. It's not what you do, but if you can do it for money. Primarily, the service indistry is a good one for many. I know a guy who can clean a car's interrior like no one can. He started doing it for $25.00 a car. He decided to put an add in the paper and said he would go anywhere and do it for you. After about six months he was doing 20 cars a day, earning 500 dollars a day for 3,500 dollars a week or 14,000 dollars per month. WOW! Another guy could clean people's home windows, same story. I even know a person who cleans up pet waste, and that person is very successful.

How do I do it..?

1. Write down on paper all the things you can do.
2. Find out who your competitors are (newspapers, phone books etc.)
3. If there are competitors, find out who charges the most, and the less, and then charge exactly in the middle.
4. Sell your ability. Be curtious, polite, and kind. They will tell their friends of you and word of mouth advertising will get you anywhere you want to go.
5. Do not use credit to build a business, use talent and hard work.
6. Save money.
7. Do not buy what you cannot afford.

I wish you well, go forth and conquer your dreams...



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 09:55 AM
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what about the blue collar workers that get paid by the hour? like i said before what happened to the good old days where people could raise their families comfortably with those kinds of jobs? i guess the point i'm trying to make is i'm sick of the income disparity in this country, that is why i like obama's redistribution of the wealth idea. trickle up economics if u will. after all if u give the tax breaks to the rich they are going to create more jobs alright, more low paying jobs, and all the while their salaries get higher and higher!! that is what makes me sick.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 09:57 AM
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I agree with your thought, but, raising children is work. The problem is, is the need for a two parant houshold. The idea of family also coming together to help family is important. But if someone is making children for welfare to live off the government, that is just plain wrong.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 09:59 AM
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the rich should give up their excess money, property and material wealth.

us lower income people would not feel so bad. living standards would improve across the world.

it's socialism/communism without being enforced by government.

it's brotherhood.

share the wealth friends.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by conspiracy nut
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what about the blue collar workers that get paid by the hour? like i said before what happened to the good old days where people could raise their families comfortably with those kinds of jobs? i guess the point i'm trying to make is i'm sick of the income disparity in this country, that is why i like obama's redistribution of the wealth idea. trickle up economics if u will. after all if u give the tax breaks to the rich they are going to create more jobs alright, more low paying jobs, and all the while their salaries get higher and higher!! that is what makes me sick.


Back in the day, a blue collar worker was not what he or she is today. There was a strong sense of family and community. They were also muti task individuals who also did other work for money to better themselves. Sadly, but true, it used to be the democratic party that held such views. But not today where it is strictly a take from the rich mentality. back then they would have cringed in disgust to see what their party had become. They wouldn't dare ask for other people's money so they could have what they did not earn.

Today, there are laws on the books to protect workplace dignity and employment. But what I would say to blue collar workers is this. Don't limit your abilities to be all you can be. You work hard. Stand tall and look around and see what else you can do in the way of enterprise to better your prosperity.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 10:06 AM
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Two questions...

1. Why should they give up what they earned?

2. If they gave you their money that you did not earn, how would that better your life?



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by Fromabove
reply to post by Doom and Gloom
 


I agree with your thought, but, raising children is work. The problem is, is the need for a two parant houshold. The idea of family also coming together to help family is important. But if someone is making children for welfare to live off the government, that is just plain wrong.



This happens everyday my friend but people choose not to see it. I lived with it all my life. People are not held accountable and can attain "AID" from the government with little to no proof. Like an above poster stated we have to live by certain standards "ie drug tests" to keep a job.

When we would be in line to get the welfare cheese, powdered eggs, juice and whatnot you would see people pulling up in brand new cars. It would be loaded down with kids. Funny thing is, they didn't work and would brag about it. They make a living off of abusing the social programs in place.

So we should pay more to provide these social programs? Right now in this country a 2 parent household has to have both parents working. If my wife or I choose to stay at home and raise our kids (which is a joke as most of the time the kids are in school) that would make us able to apply for these social wastes of money. We have to set an example to our children that if you work hard you can make a life for yourself and you do not have to depend on the government to provide it for you.

Although that works against what the government wants. They want you to be dependent on them, they want that control.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 10:10 AM
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How should we help the lower income people?

Give a man a fish he will eat for a day, teach him how to fish and he will eat for his lifetime. Teach people to fend for themselves, get them off the federal tit. Tossing money, housingand free food at them does nothing but enable more dependency...

Not saying that this will help everyone; there are people out there who are flat out lazy, full grown versions of dependent children and will always be a drag on society. Some people just dont give a crap that they are draining other people dry to exist in this life. Let those who have no desire to help themselves out of whatever misery they are in (usually self imposed) rot. Excepting trully disabled persons, that is. We should all make an effort to help those who trully cannot help themselves, the rest, to hell with them. Everyone should be given at least one chance to recieve the gracious help of others to drag themselves out of whatever craphole they've dug themselves into, beyond that they are on their own. Beyond that, they are abusing the good graces and charity of others.

Life is a multitude of personal choices and those of us who for the most part make decent ones in life should not be forced to be burdened with those in society who choose not to.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 10:11 AM
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posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 10:18 AM
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How to help the poor and save money in 7 easy steps:

1. Require a monthly drug screen from any adult receiving food stamps, housing allowance or any other type of welfare.

2. Require mandatory job training for the head of the household of the welfare recipient.

3. Set a deadline of 6 months after job training is complete for welfare to cease.

4. Require all children of welfare recipients to attend school.

5. Stop rewarding monetarily welfare queens for each child they birth.

6. Require permanent birth control of women that have 3 or more children out of wedlock with two or more men.

7. Mandatory vasectomy of men that have 3 or more children with 3 different women out of wedlock. DNA testing required as proof. The habitual "baby daddy" syndrome has got to be stopped.

8. Most importantly, make welfare a citizen charity contribution program and not a income tax program. If a citizen makes a "welfare donation" from their paycheck keep it tax free.

In one generation we can turn the whole mess around.


edited because my numbers were messed up.




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posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 10:21 AM
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Items 6 and 7 should be volentarily in exchange for assistance to keep it out of the courts.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 10:23 AM
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i love this idea, the problem is alot of the big fishes would be extemely unwilling to share their wealth. if only they would do it for patriotic reasons in order to have a higher standard of living for all americans. people think that all poor people are lazy, that is not the case. i have two jobs and make average joe type money. i make enough to survive and keep myself happy for the most part. here is the question of the day, if there is a minimum wage why is there not a maximum wage hahaha!



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 10:23 AM
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Number one should be Every 2 weeks.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by Fromabove
reply to post by surrender_dorothy
 


Two questions...

1. Why should they give up what they earned?

2. If they gave you their money that you did not earn, how would that better your life?



1 i didn't ask for what they "earned".

2 i didn't ask for what they "earned".

they can give up what the "earn" without giving it directly to anybody. it's about setting up community centres that provide services that do not currently exist.

this will provide people with jobs that provide other people with comfort.

More help for the elderly will mean less stress on pension services.
more help for disabled will provide better lives for them.
more police on the streets will reduce crime reduce the need for CCTV?big brother services.

NHS, Fire protection...etc. think about it and stop feeling deserving of your greed.

it's about people being treated equally.

A street cleaner getting paid the same as management executive.

A teacher being paid the same as doctor.

Because you are intelligent or skillful or had a fortunate upbringing does not, in my opinion, entitle you to more material wealth.

perhaps you see it differently...



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 10:33 AM
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i hear you man.

it's funny that we have to enforce a minimum wage. what would these fat cats be paying us without it?

we would have to hold down four jobs most likely while they sit back in their gentlemans clubs dining on our flesh.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 10:36 AM
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The teacher and a class of five year olds gous into class. The teacher says to all the kids, "Kids... lets all see how much money we have earned at the fair.." Five kids pull out five dollars and two pull out ten with great pride and joy. Three other children pull out empty pockets as they didn't do anything at the fair eccept hang around. The teacher sighs and says, "OK kids, let me have all your money..." so all the kids give up their money. She then makes ten little even piles and give one to each kid. The ones who worked all day at the fair now each have four dollars, and the teacher keeps a few dollars to buy herself a snack later at lunch.

Tell me, even though the money was pooled, how is this act of socialism, or spreading the wealth around fair..?


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posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 10:39 AM
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i'm talkin about working people.





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